Glick
Smash Lord
Jigglypuffs fair as the strength of a smash.
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Metaknight iz zo brokn!!!!!!!!!!!!
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da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
yea, but bowsers has madd range and totally gives airdodgers the surprise buttsecks cus of the startup time.
yoshi proly deserves like 9 or 10
but seriously, CF should be like 5, its the only goodmove he has and its really good, he can combo, approach and kill with it...
viparagon
Smash Ace
strongest doesn't Nessecarily mean best, but its a definitely a pro. Comboing into it from a sweetspotted fair is useless, since a sweetspotted fair on some someone on the ground is about as rare as links dtilt spike. juggling doesn work b/c airdodge dstroys it. sorry the list doesn't go to twelve...
be happy you got nair instead of lucas...
EDIT: seriously. leave. now. jk!
check the list again
themrskills
Smash Apprentice
I'm thinking lucas's up smash should be on there somewhere.... that move is just beastly.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
PLEASE change G&W to like someone higher and tlink out...its disturbing me >_>_>_>
viparagon
Smash Ace
but, as I've sed before, what does it deserve to replace? it has **** priorities...
Tlinks nair is his best approach...
it has like marths nair's range and is quite powerful.
it stays for now
brinboy789
Smash Champion
nononono not nair dairrrr its disturbing me <_>_<_>_<_>but, as I've sed before, what does it deserve to replace? it has **** priorities...
Tlinks nair is his best approach...
it has like marths nair's range and is quite powerful.
it stays for now
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
my opinion...
up air
move D3 below CF and wario
switch luigi and lucario
and TL down air is good, b/c its hard to punish with its gust effect, and its mad strong
up air
move D3 below CF and wario
switch luigi and lucario
and TL down air is good, b/c its hard to punish with its gust effect, and its mad strong
viparagon
Smash Ace
oh okay. I already explained why I put it there, but I guess it could go down anotch...
Poltergust
Smash Master
If juggling doesn't work due to air-dodging, then why are Mario's and Luigi's up there? That's their sole use...
And it isn't that uncommon for a sweet-spotted f-air to hit. It not all that slow, and the sweet-spot for the f-air is quite large (Yoshi's nose).
And you can still combo into it from certain grab-releases, too.
And it isn't that uncommon for a sweet-spotted f-air to hit. It not all that slow, and the sweet-spot for the f-air is quite large (Yoshi's nose).
And you can still combo into it from certain grab-releases, too.
viparagon
Smash Ace
really?
d3's uair does 19% (and is hard to DI out of), has a ****load of priority, and has a lingering hitbox. it stays for now (unless u give good reasoning) but ill move up Wigi)
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
@ gust
stop being such a yoshi main...
@ threadmaker...
i didnt know it did that much damage, but i could just be having some of the snake jab effect.
like its a great move because they always use b/f air instead it overshadows the greatness of it...
stop being such a yoshi main...
@ threadmaker...
i didnt know it did that much damage, but i could just be having some of the snake jab effect.
like its a great move because they always use b/f air instead it overshadows the greatness of it...
Poltergust
Smash Master
Excuse me, but what is this supposed to mean? Are you insulting me?
viparagon
Smash Ace
ur all the same... mini mmacs
WHY SO LOYL?
i've learn to fear you so I put yoshi higher than I wouldv'e on the list
JK
...or maybe not LOL
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
I think Tinks Zair should be in it's own category lol
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
yoshi mains have this weird thing where they are always relentlessly trying to justify/vilify their character.
its kinda like "yoshi's not bad i swear!!" type complex that most of you seem to have
for the record i think its better than lucarios...
EDIT
viper actually got to it before me this time...
lol @ z-airs..
are there even 10 of them?
and if you do zairs you have to do g-airs too rofl
its kinda like "yoshi's not bad i swear!!" type complex that most of you seem to have
for the record i think its better than lucarios...
EDIT
viper actually got to it before me this time...
lol @ z-airs..
are there even 10 of them?
and if you do zairs you have to do g-airs too rofl
Poltergust
Smash Master
Yoshi is semi-decent, and I'm only pushing for the u-air. Everything else seems fine. -_-
viparagon
Smash Ace
I started bthrow, but I got aggravated...
does anyone have kill percents (I just might do top five)
I just DON't care if sonic of Pikas Bthrow kills sooner...
does anyone have kill percents (I just might do top five)
I just DON't care if sonic of Pikas Bthrow kills sooner...
Glick
Smash Lord
Lol. Fair has great priority. Watchu talkin bout. Jigglypuff sucks. The only good moves she has that have good priority are bair, fair and pound.
Poltergust
Smash Master
Well, Luigi's b-throw is better than Mario's, but they should both be up there. Higher than Meta Knight and Toon Link, definitely. DK and Bowser should be up there, too.
...Why are Meta Knight and Toon Link up there, anyways? Their b-throws are just average...
...Why are Meta Knight and Toon Link up there, anyways? Their b-throws are just average...
Judge Judy
Smash Lord
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I don't know the exact percents off the top of my head, but I know that Olimar, Ness, Luigi, and Mario would be among the top 10.I started bthrow, but I got aggravated...
does anyone have kill percents (I just might do top five)
I just DON't care if sonic of Pikas Bthrow kills sooner...
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
neither character kills with back throw but i know sonics kills way earlier...I started bthrow, but I got aggravated...
does anyone have kill percents (I just might do top five)
I just DON't care if sonic of Pikas Bthrow kills sooner...
viparagon
Smash Ace
sorry... but no
there was an ariel priority chart somewhere, and jiggs did suckishly (cept for pound, which ill get too)
Lord Viper
SS Rank
Kirby = Best Basic B in the game, who ever object to this is out of they mind.
viparagon
Smash Ace
d3's is better... sort of, and how is it the best if kirby has to swallow someone to get there there power, while the opponent gets it right off the bat?Kirby = Best Basic B in the game, who ever object to this is out of they mind.
(or are you joking
)lol we're both vipers
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
i disagree because D3s can actually success fully suicide withKirby = Best Basic B in the game, who ever object to this is out of they mind.
not to mention that kirby usually gets crap versions of the other persons powers
ex:
MK
ike
marth
ganon
viparagon
Smash Ace
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
ikes back throw combos into dash attack
D3s doesnt kill that early
pits is good for positioning and arrow spam
DK and bowser are good
DKs is ****, yes it needed to be said twice
are MK pit and char the only ones that can glide?and are there only 4 z-airs?
EDIT for ?s
why is lucarios better with kirby
kirbys oli hat is better than oli cause its nuetral and side b at the same time.
D3s D3 power still has more range than kirbys D3 power and kirby still cant suicide with it cus hes too light
D3s doesnt kill that early
pits is good for positioning and arrow spam
DK and bowser are good
DKs is ****, yes it needed to be said twice
are MK pit and char the only ones that can glide?and are there only 4 z-airs?
EDIT for ?s
why is lucarios better with kirby
kirbys oli hat is better than oli cause its nuetral and side b at the same time.
D3s D3 power still has more range than kirbys D3 power and kirby still cant suicide with it cus hes too light
viparagon
Smash Ace
theres actually only only 3 zairs that do damage (lucas's just grabs the edge)
and yeah, only people with wings can fly so those 3, unless you count mario
D3's does 16 damage, and thanks for the input!
oh saw ur edit.
did you see the side+b?
kirby is better b/c his aurosphere is like lucario at 120% regardless of damage. it eats up one of a lucario at 0%...
and pit is better just b/c kirby is too short while firing to get hit by pits arrows...
and yeah olikirby is ****, especially 2v2...
kirbys grounded, while oli sh pikmin tosses over his head
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
no problem, i love stuff like this, i just want to say dont do b attacks, i think itll get way complecated... and if you do do b moves only do a top five...
and that is a lot of damage for a throw, i guess i agree.
and that is a lot of damage for a throw, i guess i agree.
viparagon
Smash Ace
yeah, ill stick with that, and just get more input and add summaries for the listed moves but now i got to go to bed
bye!
cutter
Smash Champion
Priority does not exist in the air.
AndrewCarlson
Smash Journeyman
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Pit's B-air should be on the list, as well as his D-smash.
Glick
Smash Lord
Do you really think your knowledgeable enough to make this kind of list, really?d3's is better... sort of, and how is it the best if kirby has to swallow someone to get there there power, while the opponent gets it right off the bat?
(or are you joking
lol we're both vipers
Judge Judy
Smash Lord
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I think Mario should move past Ganon and Zelda for side B for numerous reasons:
1. The cape has transended priority and is a reflector
2. Reverses momentum
3. Cape glide usage
4. Cape teleport usage
5. Cape dashing usage
6. Does not offer hitstun, yet reverses momentum and DI and turns around opponents, which causes it to be a very deadly gimping move
7. Cape stalling usage
8. Ledge stalling usage
1. The cape has transended priority and is a reflector
2. Reverses momentum
3. Cape glide usage
4. Cape teleport usage
5. Cape dashing usage
6. Does not offer hitstun, yet reverses momentum and DI and turns around opponents, which causes it to be a very deadly gimping move
7. Cape stalling usage
8. Ledge stalling usage
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
@ glick. thats why we are here...
@ carlson. pits back air isnt that good and his down smash is wacksauce
@ cutter. and D3s up air is super disjointed with madd range, which is basically the same as priority
@judge zelda side b is crap tier...
@ carlson. pits back air isnt that good and his down smash is wacksauce
@ cutter. and D3s up air is super disjointed with madd range, which is basically the same as priority
@judge zelda side b is crap tier...
viparagon
Smash Ace
WHY SO SRS?
come on, chill out!
I never actually saw the chart, I heard about on the JIGG boards. If you look back through the whopping 8 pages back, you'll see i actually am quite knoledgeable. How knoledgable do I need to be to make a list of characters on a website? you tell me. This isn't the backroom.
just because I said jiggs fair wasn't that great? sheesh...
bTW you rock! i'v seen your vids!
OH thanks kid
yeah specials are hard. din't put much as much thought into the non normal moves, so I'll do that tomorrow.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
MKs side b is straight up terribad
take it off immediately
take it off immediately
viparagon
Smash Ace
I put in on for recovery, but yea, as I said its not the best right now...
oh And I fix'd the list
Skink
Smash Apprentice
Mario's, Luigi's and DK's backthrow can all kill people. Also, why it's pit's fsmash so good, allegedly?
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