Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[Kaffei]

I thought it was to cancel the lag won't the lag just remain like that?

Basically..
Some moves can't be auto canceled, for example Marth's Down Air. Unless you full hop it so the Dair frames end by the time you land, a short hopped Dair will always have lots of landing lag.

If you SH, and do a fast falled Fair as Marth, you'll land with basically no lag meaning you auto-canceled the Fair.

 

[Overswarm]

Basically..
Some moves can't be auto canceled, for example Marth's Down Air. Unless you full hop it so the Dair frames end by the time you land, a short hopped Dair will always have lots of landing lag.

If you SH, and do a fast falled Fair as Marth, you'll land with basically no lag meaning you auto-canceled the Fair.

*narrows eyes*

You don't know what auto canceling means.

 

[jpak]

So what does auto-cancel mean then? Also, what's the proper control inputs to get out of grabs as fast as possible?

 

[Kaffei]

*narrows eyes*

You don't know what auto canceling means.

....
Let me rephrase.
When you land on the ground after an aerial near the last/earliest frames so you get regular landing lag
Next time OS, instead of pointing how wrong I am, tell the new person what auto canceling is. :|
inb4 I'm still wrong.

@jpak http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=169171 You might be interested in this (I'm not really sure if this is 100% ask OS)

 

[jpak]

Thanks Kaffei.

What's the proper input to get out of grabs? Also what should I do when toon link is recovering with up b?

I've read the match up thread and the guide.

 

[Kaffei]

Thanks Kaffei.

What's the proper input to get out of grabs? Also what should I do when toon link is recovering with up b?

I've read the match up thread and the guide.

I'm not exactly sure how to break out of a grab, but I usually spin the control stick as fast as I can in a circle, while spamming A, B, L, R, and Z.
It also helps to spam the buttons BEFORE you get grabbed, which apparently Ally does by predicting his opponent.

 

[kaffei4lunch]

Thanks Kaffei.

What's the proper input to get out of grabs? Also what should I do when toon link is recovering with up b?

I've read the match up thread and the guide.

you can flick the c stick, but it has to return to the center each time
spin the control stick around like a mad man
mash all the buttons

 

[Kaffei]

Can anyone help me with the Diddy match up

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

Phreshy's Question

What are some guides that can help improve a new MK main like myself lol

 

[Kaffei]

What are some guides that can help improve a new MK main like myself lol

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225121

 

[jpak]

What's the fastest way to get out of the waters of Jungle Japes?
Is there a video or forum post stating how to get out of certain moves like Pikachu's down smash, or Pit's side B?
How does shadow do the left right dashes in his matches?

 

[Kaffei]

What's the fastest way to get out of the waters of Jungle Japes?
Is there a video or forum post stating how to get out of certain moves like Pikachu's down smash, or Pit's side B?
How does shadow do the left right dashes in his matches?

1. I just jump and DC onto the closest ledge.
2. There's a thread somewhere explaining SDI, but idk where it is.
3. Just go left and right really fast, lol.

 

[Shadow 111]

I'm not exactly sure how to break out of a grab, but I usually spin the control stick as fast as I can in a circle, while spamming A, B, L, R, and Z.
It also helps to spam the buttons BEFORE you get grabbed, which apparently Ally does by predicting his opponent.

yeah, me and atomsk do that all the time, too. it's very helpful, especially vs ICs. if you know you're about to get grabbed, start mashing!
i can break out of grabs VERY quickly if i want to, lol.
i mash all the face buttons while rotating the control stick.

 

[Kaffei]

yeah, me and atomsk do that all the time, too. it's very helpful, especially vs ICs. if you know you're about to get grabbed, start mashing!
i can break out of grabs VERY quickly if i want to, lol.
i mash all the face buttons while rotating the control stick.

Shadow, do you mind giving me tips on the Diddy MU

ALSO I heard that if you don't touch your control stick while getting hit by the 1st hit of nado, you just pop right up, meaning it's easier to get sucked if you move at all. Is this true? Can anyone test this

 

[Ragnar0k]

That seems oddly familiar Kaffei. I do feel like that happens a lot.

 

[jpak]

1. I just jump and DC onto the closest ledge.
2. There's a thread somewhere explaining SDI, but idk where it is.
3. Just go left and right really fast, lol.

What's DC?
And thanks.

 

[Ragnar0k]

dimensional cape is the name of metaknight's down b. I love that move by the way.

 

[smasher01]

in the mk ditto where is the best place to DI out of the down throw grab?
or can they always follow up if they know where you are going to DI?

 

[Kaffei]

in the mk ditto where is the best place to DI out of the down throw grab?
or can they always follow up if they know where you are going to DI?

if you DI away and towards the ground and airdodge before you hit the ground (do it too late and you'll tech; you dont want that) you effectively remove all their options for followups. if they try to dash attack at 0 you can PS it and nair them OOS for 19%. and if they try to regrab you spotdodge it. (however that can be baited so dont be predictable)
dj_iskascrib told me to do this

 

[Desteny]

I have a question:

Can anybody tell me how to fight Pikachu?
I tried to Dair camp him, but this was not the beest tactic, because my friend figured out that Pikas Uair beats MKs Dair -.-

and my second question is:
Which Stage should I try to get if we are in the Stage Striking procedure? And which Stage should I pick for my CP?
(Stage to ban: FD?)

 

[breez]

I tried to Dair camp him, but this was not the beest tactic, because my friend figured out that Pikas Uair beats MKs Dair -.-

lol I found your problem.

 

[Desteny]

Let me hear what my prob is^^

 

[jpak]

What's the benefit of grabbing the ledge with dimensional cape?
How do I cancel the ledge grab and instead just pass over it(I think its called ledge cancel)? This is separate from my DC question.
Any tips on gliding? I can only make it under neath stages like battlefield, smashville and final destination with a drill rush at the end.

 

[Desteny]

If u use DimCape u must not hold B or any other Button in order to not to do the DimCape Attack, and then u can grab the ledge!

 

[Kaffei]

What's the benefit of grabbing the ledge with dimensional cape?
How do I cancel the ledge grab and instead just pass over it(I think its called ledge cancel)? This is separate from my DC question.
Any tips on gliding? I can only make it under neath stages like battlefield, smashville and final destination with a drill rush at the end.

DC: It's a mix up I guess... + you have a small amount of invincibility frames.
I don't understand your 2nd question.
For gliding, just make a giant custom stage and practice gliding straight, up, down, etc. I go left to right to adjust direction. Up and down works too. Whichever is easier for you.

 

[BluePeachy100]

I sometimes wonder if a banana is safer in my hands or Diddy's...

 

[Kaffei]

I sometimes wonder if a banana is safer in my hands or Diddy's...

.... wut p.p

 

[BluePeachy100]

I mean, is there really any safe option with the banana, if you have it, it sucks, if you don't, it sucks, what's a good option with bananas?

 

[jpak]

DC: It's a mix up I guess... + you have a small amount of invincibility frames.
I don't understand your 2nd question.
For gliding, just make a giant custom stage and practice gliding straight, up, down, etc. I go left to right to adjust direction. Up and down works too. Whichever is easier for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR31dxDB2DI @ 0:50. Also is there any reason he always hits the balloons? Does hitting it affect stale move?

 

[theunabletable]

Yeah it effects stale moves.

 

[Kaffei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR31dxDB2DI @ 0:50. Also is there any reason he always hits the balloons? Does hitting it affect stale move?

Yeah, it's for the move decay thing.

I mean, is there really any safe option with the banana, if you have it, it sucks, if you don't, it sucks, what's a good option with bananas?

Idk, ask someone like Shadow/Dojo.

 

[jpak]

Okay, but how does he cancel the ledge grab instead he just goes over the ledge at 50 seconds and attacks.

 

[Kaffei]

Okay, but how does he cancel the ledge grab instead he just goes over the ledge at 50 seconds and attacks.

I don't really understand.. Can you be more specific?
You mean when he drill rushes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR31dxDB2DI <~ this video?

 

[earla]

what's best option to punish an opponent is jab cancelling alot?

 

[Kaffei]

what's best option to punish an opponent is jab cancelling alot?

Like Ike? Predict it and shield grab?

 

[theunabletable]

Why not just stand out of jab range and Ftilt? Seems a little safer.

 

[earla]

i'm talking in terms of mk ditto.

say the mk does 2 f-tilts and is going to cancel into a d-tilt/dash whatever

so i should wait for the 2nd ftilt and try and grab after it before their 3rd ftilt?
won't i need a faster move?

thx

 

[jpak]

I don't really understand.. Can you be more specific?
You mean when he drill rushes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR31dxDB2DI <~ this video?

Yes at 51 seconds he doesn't grab the ledge, and just goes over it even though he isi n the grab range.

 

[Ragnar0k]

He drill rushes into the ledge and grabs it. Then he drops from the ledge by pressing away from it and double jumps onto the stage.

 

[Master Raven]

i'm talking in terms of mk ditto.

say the mk does 2 f-tilts and is going to cancel into a d-tilt/dash whatever

so i should wait for the 2nd ftilt and try and grab after it before their 3rd ftilt?
won't i need a faster move?

thx

Most MKs that do that will use it as a mixup, so you really don't have any safe options against it. You'll just have to rely on guesswork.