Match ups: Fox, Falco, Marth, and Captain Falcon.Fox update 11-26 /newer falco vids

[DtJ Jungle]

...very true...that sucks...i have lots and lots of beaches

 

[KirbyKaze]

@ soap:

or lake toronto >_>

 

[soap]

@ soap:

or lake toronto >_>

i think we both fuked up, its lake ontario

 

[KirbyKaze]

wow i should kill myself.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

LOLOL kirbykaze...nice.

 

[KirbyKaze]

/wrists

 

[Cactuar]

Cactuar does it too but with him he doesn't pace so much as he stops to look at you and stare into your soul with his blackened, cold-hearted Cactus eyes.

My gaze is tempered with the hate of 10,000 Cacti.

 

[KirbyKaze]

So much hate

 

[DtJ Jungle]

thats a fvckload of cacti.

 

[I.B]

there's really only one thing to say in this situation...


****ing Cactus

 

[LEEEOOOOO]

On a fast faller, its pretty effective to get them off, just dash right off the stage, aerial forward A to kill, and jump back on. At a good range of % you can DI towards your opponent while off the stage without using your first hop. This really only seems to work for fast fallers who fall quickly below the stage. Not sure if this was mentioned yet.

 

[Boxob.]

On pretty much everyone, if i'm too far away to get a grab off a tech chase, i'll throw needles as they're rolling/getting up. is this considered a waste if the needles are fully charged? should i save them for another occasion? i figured the 17 damage is nice.

also, on a stylish note. dthrow tech chased short hop needles into grab is sexy.

 

[Proverbs]

Does anyone have the ratios for all of Sheik's matchups?

 

[brickman]

What do you mean by ratios?

Percent chance of winning a given match up?

 

[Vincent46]

could you give me some tips on the Jiggs matchhup? I always get ****ed up by rests :\

 

[dhp1161]

very good thread
thank you very much

 

[Dojomaster2]

Amazing insight on the fox matchup. It is by far the hardest opponent for me with my sheik.

 

[bluepanpan]

Great info! Thanks a lot brickman!

 

[studly]

Bumped for a big thanks. this thread has really helped me out a lot

 

[brickman]

ehhhh, I've learned so much since I've last updated it. Glad I could help anyways, best of luck.

 

[studly]

well im coming from like zero knowledge on these matchups. youve given me a decent start

 

[brickman]

again, glad I could help!

 

[painlord k11]

dont jump cancle grab with shiek..... it's basically the only grab in the game that doesnt benifit from a jump cancle because all it does it make the grab range abit shorter and the grab stays the same so no lag is taken off when you JC so just do regular grabs.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Her standing grab animation goes higher in the air thus making it better for grabbing people out of aerials. The lag also makes a difference when you're dealing with characters that have frame 1 moves and good sidesteps. There's a lot of merit to JC grabbing.

 

[Kira-]

I always cg all characters with JC grabs.

I can do it in dittos at 7%, not gonna lie I have to practice it a bit before a match but when it's "fresh" I can consistently do it.

I'll try the running grab though, if it's easier then Sheik dittos are gonna be sooo fun

 

[SPAWN]

Chaingrabbing against Sheik when you're grab is the weakest (when it only does 4% damage) is possible with away DI. I didn't think it was but I just did it yesterday. It's really ****ing hard. I did it by accident to be honest. I'm so mad I discovered that you can do that ugh. Now learning chaingrabbing is going to be so much harder since I'm going to practice it when it's at it's most weakened state. T_T

Btw, I do it without jc'ing/boosting. Just a normal running grab when chaingrabbing.

Also, critique me please: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9936957#post9936957

 

[mr.fizwidget]

i have been wondering this for a while...

at low percents, which is the best grab to use when attempting the chaingrab in dittos...

i guess dash grab comes out the quickest, as an extra frame isnt thrown in there to cancel...

jc'ing is prolly the best at higher percents cause of the increased height...

thoughts?

i have quit trying to regrab at under 15%, i just ftilt or jab and then attempt a regrab

 

[TheManaLord]

dash grab .

 

[MasterLance]

I want you to do Puff matchup, please. I am taking Sheik becuase of the speed and the odd reovery whihc I think will be helpful facing Puff.

 

[Wo1f]

Why a jump cancelled grab against falcon versus a regular grab or a dash grab?

 

[Nihonjin]

^Because it doesn't leave you wide open when you miss.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Waveshielding into and out of duck/dashes is good against Puff, but Puff still ***** Sheik really hard.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

Waveshielding into and out of duck/dashes is good against Puff, but Puff still ***** Sheik really hard.

explain if you don't mind

 

[UGS.Android]

This can help me a lot!

 

[Vegard]

what should you do vs down tilt spamming Marth's? I struggled so much with that last time I played. I know when you're within range, you can pull of a grab, but that means you should be close to him.

Any tips?

 

[-Ice-]

what should you do vs down tilt spamming Marth's? I struggled so much with that last time I played. I know when you're within range, you can pull of a grab, but that means you should be close to him.

Any tips?

try to hit them with your sh fair/ bair but space it when they have low % otherwise they can cc (asdi down) grab you

you could try to just sheild it and wavedash in when they space it that way you can mess up their spacing but still react too what they doing after the d tilt

 

[Vegard]

alright thanks.

Though I have tried to wavedash out of shield, but i guess i'm not timing it correctly / not doing it fast enough.... had no idea that sh fair could work.. also, I usually only have this problem when trying to get up from the ledge, after wavedashing on to it.

 

[DualCats]

I usually only have this problem when trying to get up from the ledge, after wavedashing on to it.

In this scenario, a Marth player (or anyone, really) will probably be anticipating a fair so be cautious about using that. Wavedash -> shield -> Wavedash OoS -> grab is a realistic option, and certainly one I use frequently myself. If you're having trouble wavedashing out-of-shield, you might try just jumping onto a platform and avoiding any fighting on the edge all together. That's a pretty nasty place to be if your opponent is Marth. You could get up and spotdodge or roll but that can get really predictable and easy to punish if you abuse it. Particularly because Marth can stand in one place and cover multiple options if he's quick about his reads.

 

[Awstintacious]

PLEASE, put up vs PEACH, that nasty ho has been killing me whether I am falco, fox, or sheik. Sheik does well as she can punish floats with priority, but the dang blender, it cuts me over and over again. Another problem is that dang dash attack that pushes you and can combo so easily.

 

[erbanez]

I'm more of a sheik secondary, and it's interesting to me that it took you a while to figure out captain falcon, because my friend plays sheik as his main, and I play falcon, and I would generally always win. Nice to see some insight from the other end, I suppose. Great guide.