Mass Effect series discussion

[LivewiresXe]

Lol, I spent 55 hours in ME2, just because I kept going through all the floors on the Normandy so I could talk to everyone after every mission. Probably extended my play through by 10 hours. I feel like I don't need to make that same mistake again.

I've probably extended mine a good 5-6 hours by doing what I'm doing but y'know what, I don't really care. Also, does that scanner going into the conference/war room seem to take forever sometimes for you guys, or is it just me?

 

[mood4food77]

mordin had a different voice actor?

also, i'm at a boss fight and the god damn minions are dealing more damage to me than the friggen boss is

IT'S SO FRUSTRATING! I'M A BIOTIC AND YOU GIVE ME NO WHERE TO GO INTO COVER! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?

seriously, it's obnoxious and probably glitched because i'm at level 55 and nowhere else in the game was i killed in 3 shots from a phantom at full shields and full life

3 ****ING SHOTS, it's super annoying

 

[LivewiresXe]

Random question for anybody who's further than me in the game (or Pluvia), which is (and yes, this has game spoilers in it since it mentions stuff I've done so far):

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I'm on Tuchanka and just about to do the 'Cure the Genophage' mission, and I've already run into Miranda, Thane, and Kasumi on the Citadel [and done Kasumi's little mission], Jack at Grissom, and did that mission with Grunt where you can save the Rachni Queen.

I'm just curious to know if

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Ashley or Kaidan, aka the Vrmire Survivor

are actually a Permanent Squaddie because it certainly doesn't seem like it right now, even though

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Ashley accepted the Spectre job, and when I talked to Udina he said he was keeping her close, even though she's not at the Hospital anymore.

But yeah, it's just something I'm curious about. No details though, and if it requires details, then well, obviously don't bother, lol.

 

[Pluvia]

I'm just curious to know if

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Ashley or Kaidan, aka the Vrmire Survivor

are actually a Permanent Squaddie because it certainly doesn't seem like it right now, even though

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Ashley accepted the Spectre job, and when I talked to Udina he said he was keeping her close, even though she's not at the Hospital anymore.

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They are. You get an extra outfit for them in the CE.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Ah, that's good. I guess it (very small spoiler, but still)

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takes time to heal from getting half-fried on Mars.

 

[Pluvia]

Unfortunately

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it didn't kill the silly ***** outright.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Hahaha, hey now.

 

[theeboredone]

Wow, they changed Mordin's VA? Didn't even notice. Though Jacob's sounded different, or it just might be me.

Okay, one thing I really hate about this game is the management of side quests. It's bad enough that it's hard to remember what item you need for a random stranger on the Citadel (given there are 5 floors), but it's even more annoying that when you acquire said item, it doesn't update your codex by telling you, that you have it. You just have to remember you got it, and then remember where the guy is.

 

[Pluvia]

Didn't even notice. Though Jacob's sounded different, or it just might be me.

That was just you.

 

[O D I N]

Lol at Wrex's reaction to the Prothean. I actually burst out laughing, I must still be feeling the effects of saturday night or something.

Edit:

You can barely tell Mordin has a different voice actor, they pulled that one off well I have to admit.

I need to remember that for playthrough 2. I might use him more.

Right now, I feel like he's a Biotic Zaeed.

Badassfully useless.

I've probably extended mine a good 5-6 hours by doing what I'm doing but y'know what, I don't really care. Also, does that scanner going into the conference/war room seem to take forever sometimes for you guys, or is it just me?

That's the enemy we should be fighting.

Random question for anybody who's further than me in the game (or Pluvia), which is (and yes, this has game spoilers in it since it mentions stuff I've done so far):

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I'm on Tuchanka and just about to do the 'Cure the Genophage' mission, and I've already run into Miranda, Thane, and Kasumi on the Citadel [and done Kasumi's little mission], Jack at Grissom, and did that mission with Grunt where you can save the Rachni Queen.

I'm just curious to know if

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Ashley or Kaidan, aka the Vrmire Survivor

are actually a Permanent Squaddie because it certainly doesn't seem like it right now, even though

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Ashley accepted the Spectre job, and when I talked to Udina he said he was keeping her close, even though she's not at the Hospital anymore.

But yeah, it's just something I'm curious about. No details though, and if it requires details, then well, obviously don't bother, lol.

Okay, WHERE is

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Kasumi

on the Citadel? I know I did all the DLC, so there's no reason they shouldn't be around... >_>

Wow, they changed Mordin's VA? Didn't even notice. Though Jacob's sounded different, or it just might be me.

Okay, one thing I really hate about this game is the management of side quests. It's bad enough that it's hard to remember what item you need for a random stranger on the Citadel (given there are 5 floors), but it's even more annoying that when you acquire said item, it doesn't update your codex by telling you, that you have it. You just have to remember you got it, and then remember where the guy is.

Agreed. It's kind of annoying. I hope they patch it or find a fix.

It seems like some of them you don't even return to who you eavesdropped on. You recover the item and that's it.

I could tell right away that Mordin had a different VA. I have a very uncanny knack for picking out voices I recognize. It's close, but during certain segments, you can easily tell it's not him. His cadence is all wrong too.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Wow, they changed Mordin's VA? Didn't even notice. Though Jacob's sounded different, or it just might be me.

Okay, one thing I really hate about this game is the management of side quests. It's bad enough that it's hard to remember what item you need for a random stranger on the Citadel (given there are 5 floors), but it's even more annoying that when you acquire said item, it doesn't update your codex by telling you, that you have it. You just have to remember you got it, and then remember where the guy is.

I haven't run into Jacob, so can't comment aside from everyone's voice echoing more.

That being said, there's this one Citadel side mission that's annoying me since I can't find where the hell the person is to return stuff to. It has to do with the

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Cerberus Turret Schematic things.

. So yeah...if anyone knows where to find that person on the Citadel, I'd appreciate it.


Edit: Also, for Pluvia (since you're the resident spoiler guy here), something you might find interesting. But uh...nobody else click it since it's pretty spoiler-y.

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Apparently you CAN somehow save Mordin, but you have to have killed Wrex AND destroyed Maelon's data. Eve will wind up dying instead, and the Genophage cure will be fake. So uh...pretty much you just get a couple of Salarians, and half the Krogan support, which isn't good. I admittedly though found it fitting that Mordin's last words were singing Gilbert and Sullivan.

 

[Pluvia]

I need to remember that for playthrough 2. I might use him more.

Right now, I feel like he's a Biotic Zaeed.

Badassfully useless.

Okay, WHERE is

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Kasumi

on the Citadel? I know I did all the DLC, so there's no reason they shouldn't be around... >_>

Ironically Zaeed could use the Incisor, and given his weapon perks and the bug for that weapon it could make him almost as strong as Shepard and deadly accurate.

Also,

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the Hanar Diplomat mission.

Anyway regarding the stupid thing that happens on the Primarchs son's mission:

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Oh no Cerberus hacked this bomb, don't worry I'll hack it and nobody mention the super Ex-Cerberus AI that could do my job in a fraction of the time that happens to be standing right beside you Shepard.

Edit:

Edit: Also, for Pluvia (since you're the resident spoiler guy here), something you might find interesting. But uh...nobody else click it since it's pretty spoiler-y.

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Apparently you CAN somehow save Mordin, but you have to have killed Wrex AND destroyed Maelon's data. Eve will wind up dying instead, and the Genophage cure will be fake. So uh...pretty much you just get a couple of Salarians, and half the Krogan support, which isn't good. I admittedly though found it fitting that Mordin's last words were singing Gilbert and Sullivan.

Yeah I know, I forgot to update you, but a whole bunch of new leaks came out hence all the new information I've been putting out. Never mentioned that here because it's super spoilery.

 

[O D I N]

Also what I'm about to post, is not spoilery per se, but it's making me anxious, so I'm going to spoiler tag it. It concerns the ending(s). So read at your own risk.

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It seems that everyone (reddit for sure, /r/masseffect) LOATHES the endings. And now that I know this, and that it's not just one person, I keep questioning myself... What the eff could be so bad???

No one tell me if you know. I just wanted to share my thought.

 

[theeboredone]

@Livewire, far as the

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Turret Schematics

go, I believe the guy is in the Presidium Commons by the C-Sec office.

 

[Pluvia]

Odin, not spoilers just an answer:

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A lot of the people who are hating on the endings haven't actually played the game. It's the same people who are trolling that photoshopped thing of that woman from Dragon Age saying there's going to be like 5 gay romances in ME3. Then the people who are actually upset about the end perplex me, I had a chat about this with Virgil on my Xbox friends list (not sure but I think me you and him have played together?) and he thought the ending was fine, and knowing what the endings are I also think they're fine. People seem to be giving this game a lot of hate because of that photoshopped gay romances thing and the day 1 DLC that we've known about for months but only became a problem recently for some reason, and it seems to be the trolls on that crappy 4chan website who are behind this all.

And I'll keep this spoiler bit seperate as it is to do with

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the endings

that'll help clarify that above, but it's incredibly vague so as to not completely spoil things:

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While the endings all have their differences you do have to make the same massive sacrifice in all of the endings in order to win, and that's what I think is upsetting people the most, but what I don't understand is if people don't want to stop the Reapers then why are they playing the game? Beating 37 million year old machine gods was always going to be costly, yet this surprised fans for some reason, but if all you wanted was to have a hopeless story about the galaxy being destroyed then what's the point in playing? Surely it shouldn't matter what the cost as long as you save the galaxy? That's what I can't wrap my head around, people being upset because the game has a dark, but ultimately happy, ending.

 

[LivewiresXe]

@Livewire, far as the

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Turret Schematics

go, I believe the guy is in the Presidium Commons by the C-Sec office.

Thanks. It was driving me crazy that there was no "Blue Arrow marker" thing to them. Hell, I wound up giving something to the chick in Purgatory and thinking that was it at first.

 

[Grey Belnades]

But the endings don't bring closure. Pretty much none of your choices matter.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Uh...spoilers, Grey. Like seriously...what the hell? And plus, everything I've heard aside from a couple of butthurt people says they DO matter. You should probably edit that out though.

 

[Pluvia]

Plus it's an outright lie.

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The end gives you more choice than the first 2 games combined, and the variables from it reach like half a dozen if not more, and then there's all the other choices that you make throughout the 3 games that get you to that spot and which will continue on after the end. There's no way to bring closure to a story unless it's "And then they all died" and there's definately no way to bring closure to a story which can create wildly different canons, but it's incredibly obvious that you're trying to save the future of everything ever and the entire point of the games was beating the Reapers, so once you've done that the game will end.

 

[LivewiresXe]

You'll understand that since I haven't beaten the game and likely am nowhere near having beaten it yet due to just getting to the spot where (spoilers)

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the Salarian counselor starts saying he thinks Udina's corrupt

that I'm NOT going to highlight those spoilers, Pluvia.

 

[O D I N]

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But the endings don't bring closure. Pretty much none of your choices matter.

I spoiler tagged it now, but ARE YOU SERIOUS????

What was my ONE request Grey???

Rage...

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Here, got you a present.

ಠ_ಠ

I'm going to abandon thread for a while.

It's not even the spoiler part that upset me.

Just the fact that it was spoiled.

I'll probably finish the game between tonight and tomorrow. I'm at

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Horizon

.

 

[LivewiresXe]

You realize it was already stated Old Man was just trolling and that it was a lie, right?

 

[O D I N]

Okay... We need a better method for me to realize this when I'm making reaction responses.

... Especially when I'm at work and it sometimes takes me 20 minutes to reply...



Old Man Grey: 1 ODIN: 0

 

[LivewiresXe]

Okay... We need a better method for me to realize this when I'm making reaction responses.

... Especially when I'm at work and it sometimes takes me 20 minutes to reply...



Old Man Grey: 1 ODIN: 0

My suggestions would be not to post here at work then?

 

[O D I N]

What else am I supposed to do for 8 hours?! D:

It's bad enough I'm avoiding the Mass Effect reddit, and now this.

NOWHERE IS SAFE.

Seriously though, working in a hotel, standing at the front desk for 8+ hours... I run out of things to do/look up.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

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While the endings all have their differences you do have to make the same massive sacrifice in all of the endings in order to win, and that's what I think is upsetting people the most, but what I don't understand is if people don't want to stop the Reapers then why are they playing the game? Beating 37 million year old machine gods was always going to be costly, yet this surprised fans for some reason, but if all you wanted was to have a hopeless story about the galaxy being destroyed then what's the point in playing? Surely it shouldn't matter what the cost as long as you save the galaxy? That's what I can't wrap my head around, people being upset because the game has a dark, but ultimately happy, ending.

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I think it's because the people don't give too much a good two craps about the story; in the way it was intended, at least. Some just love the interaction between squad members and having fun shooting things in outer space. What they just wanted was to roleplay.

Other than that, it could be that people want a happy ending. Sure, you obtain the greater good at the end, but you know that there's bound to be someone that doesn't want to see it that way.

Not everyone is as appreciative as you and others, I suppose.

Just what I think.

 

[Archangel]

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I think it's because the people don't give too much a good two craps about the story; in the way it was intended, at least. Some just love the interaction between squad members and having fun shooting things in outer space. What they just wanted was to roleplay.

Other than that, it could be that people want a happy ending. Sure, you obtain the greater good at the end, but you know that there's bound to be someone that doesn't want to see it that way.

Not everyone is as appreciative as you and others, I suppose.

Just what I think.

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I agree, Obviously people who aren't involved in the story for years and even if they were never gave a **** about it won't mind the ending. Even the fact that it makes little to no sense. And as far as "The greater good" goes. How is it for the greater good? In all 3 choices you destroy all mass relays and trap everyone on earth to eventually kill each, die from lack of resources, or blow out their own brains.

Your Normandy crew is also stranded on a prehistoric random planet. The fact that your squadmates who were just blown to **** by a big *** reaper inexplicably end up unharmed and on the Normandy makes no sense for various reasons. Especially if it was someone you romanced. You would think that a LI would follow you instead of leaving you to die.

Oh and worst of all finding out that All 3 games are infact a bedtime story take an even bigger **** on the game. Alot of people may have wanted an option for a happy ending but alot of people wanted death(s) or at least expected it. The fact that all of your choices from game 1-3 that took so much time. Alot of us players who repeated playthroughs 5-10 times trying to get every choice just right waisted their time. In a game so heavily built around choices and how they effect the world around you...in the end it's just a bedtime story and all you really get to decide is the color of the explosion that ****s over the remaining life left. How is that a respectable ending to a series like Mass effect? Final Fantasy game...maybe so but not in this universe. No ****ing way!

Hitler's response:

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to the endings

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b33tJx8iy0A

 

[LivewiresXe]

Oh crap, well, I just feel like a tool and a little pissed off. I just knew

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I SHOULD have told Kelly to change her name, but noooo....I had to go and be all "Mr. Paragon". Ugh...

 

[theeboredone]

Okay no offense, but if you are gonna make your entire post "spoilers", then it sort of renders it useless, if the whole thing is not a spoiler. Just censor what you think is not meant to be heard.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Sorry, I got bored studying for finals, lol.

Meaning I won't be able to play much over the next two weeks.

Also, I had to redo my playthrough because I realized that I never did LotSB or the Kasumi stuff in ME2. I could've sworn I did it. I remember everything that happened in those missions. Guess I got the wrong save file when I switched PCs.

 

[Archangel]

Okay no offense, but if you are gonna make your entire post "spoilers", then it sort of renders it useless, if the whole thing is not a spoiler. Just censor what you think is not meant to be heard.

The post would be even worst and trust me 95% of it is spoiler-ish. If I didn't spoiler most of it You would see large black spots and random words like. The, it, and...etc

 

[Pluvia]

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I agree, Obviously people who aren't involved in the story for years and even if they were never gave a **** about it won't mind the ending. Even the fact that it makes little to no sense. And as far as "The greater good" goes. How is it for the greater good? In all 3 choices you destroy all mass relays and trap everyone on earth to eventually kill each, die from lack of resources, or blow out their own brains.

Your Normandy crew is also stranded on a prehistoric random planet. The fact that your squadmates who were just blown to **** by a big *** reaper inexplicably end up unharmed and on the Normandy makes no sense for various reasons. Especially if it was someone you romanced. You would think that a LI would follow you instead of leaving you to die.

Oh and worst of all finding out that All 3 games are infact a bedtime story take an even bigger **** on the game. Alot of people may have wanted an option for a happy ending but alot of people wanted death(s) or at least expected it. The fact that all of your choices from game 1-3 that took so much time. Alot of us players who repeated playthroughs 5-10 times trying to get every choice just right waisted their time. In a game so heavily built around choices and how they effect the world around you...in the end it's just a bedtime story and all you really get to decide is the color of the explosion that ****s over the remaining life left. How is that a respectable ending to a series like Mass effect? Final Fantasy game...maybe so but not in this universe. No ****ing way!

Hitler's response:

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to the endings

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b33tJx8iy0A

Big ending spoilers:

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Apart from the fact that Earth can be ok, it can range from destroyed, devestated or ok. And the fact that FTL travel is still possible, and that everyone is alive. I don't understand how you think that technology being put back a step at the cost of saving everything ever is somehow worse than getting the entire galaxy wiped out.

You squadmates can get killed there. And it's not a bedtime story, that's the future with that guy telling the story of Shepard that everyone knows about due to Liara's message that she sent out around the galaxy.

 

[Archangel]

@Pluvia

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maybe it just isn't given for you to see how and I do not wish to break it down being as I've done it already. Just watch the Hitler video. It covers everything. but the polls and overwhelming negative response speaks for itself really. If less than 5% of the people who played like or feel a sense of closure from the endings you have ****ed up. Period.

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Another thing that should be clarified is that people aren't looking for a happy ending. I'd say maybe 25% of people who are unhappy were looking for a happy ending. The remaining 75% Are just confused as **** and mad at how something so beautiful in craft could be taken apart. 5 years destroyed in 5 minutes. Again I won't break down the details because I have done so already on Gamefaq, Bioware, LiveJournal...and honestly I am tired at this point of doing it. The ending as it happens is filled with too many holes, and worst of all there are now many more questions than answers. DLC for an ending that is worthy especially if it is 10 bucks will put the price for some people at 90 ****ing dollars for this game. That in itself is also pissing people off. It's like no matter what you lose.....sounds like the ME3 endings almost.

As for things being better off...I'm not sure that the reapers harvesting us so that future cycles can have mass relays wasn't the best option, Seriously with the curing of the genophage it's only a matter of time before all goes to hell.

and no matter how you look at it some old guy at the end saying (and that is the how this happened) just makes it even cornier and cheap....but I could live with that had the endings been decent and had more variety...or any variety for that matter.

Since I'm ranting I'll just point out one thing specifically that I makes no sense. Why would a godlike AI/Diety that was so sure in it's logic and it's purpose create a death but for itself? He designed the reapers to save organics.....so why would he create something that can kill them? fun? it makes no goddamn sense. He just felt the need randomly this time around to create 3 magic buttons that let you control the reapers(how the ****!?), Merge organic and synthetics(HUGE what the ****! How did he get a magic button that does this? ), or Destroy all Synthetic life including the geth you may or may not have just saved from all out war with the quarians as well as Mass Relays which apparently are also part of synthetic life???(WHAT THE ****/HOW THE ****/ WHY THE ****!?)...and that is just 1 small issue piled on top. Frankly a happy ending where shepard lives and goes on to have normal or mutant babies depending on the LI would be less of a fairy tale than the 3 1 ending we are stuck with.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I lol'd at the "YOU. ARE. A. TOY." Renegade option.

 

[Pluvia]

I like how your complaints about the ending were because some of your choices you made in the game, and misunderstandings of the end.

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Like if you were worried about the genophage then why did you cure it?

He never destroyed all organic life, he made them immortal and elevated them to a higher plain of existence so they could join him.

It didn't destroy all AI it destroys all Reaper tech, aka the Geth after the events of 3 and EDI.

There's your complaints nullified, though the fact you never knew all of that above, despite it happening/being explained during the events of the game, makes me think you're just one of those people on metacritic giving the game 0 out of 10 despite not actually having played the game.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Pluvia science.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Pluvia science.

Complaint - Rationality = Boot to the power of your arse?

 

[sakuraZaKi]

... I have no idea what you just said, xD

 

[mood4food77]

that ending...definitely didn't suck

it was just.........wow

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but i see what staind meant about your decisions not mattering

 

[Scamp]

Thoroughly enjoyed the game personally. The ending wasn't bad for me,

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just too short. I would have liked to have seen updates on how all the races fared after the final encounter.

One thing that bugs me right now is the fact that I had to start from scratch because I played through ME 1 and 2 on a friend's console who now lives very far away from me. So now that I've read through this thread (after beating the game) and I'm seeing all these characters that I know and love from previous games make appearances it's really disappointing that I don't get to experience that.

They should have some kind of option to set a bunch of switches at the start of the game for what you did in previous games. Make it a reward for beating the game, or even make it DLC. It mostly stinks that I couldn't keep my LI going because of this. I guess it's not too bad, though, since

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Traynor

wasn't a bad consolation prize IMO.

But yeah, watching the credits and seeing all the voice actors of characters I would have loved to have seen again.....not cool.