~Marth's Match Ups~

[AzNsAnTaGiN]

You're entitled to your opinion. However, it is fallacious to think that Marth is equally matched to every character.

 

[Fitty]

I think that marth isn't equally matched with each character based on his moveset but in gameplay he can based on how you use him.

 

[jayboi221]

I think marth has advantage or equal to most characters

 

[Zankoku]

Please stop spamming the Marth boards.

 

[Pr0phetic]

I think Fitty and Jay are the same person, must be. Guys post useful insight or something, gah if only Ankoku modded this part of the boards.

We've obviously seen and discussed Marth has more advantages and equalities then disadvantages over the cast. If you want find the general Marth thread and post in there.

 

[Tero.]

I was randomly messing around and thought I'd throw this out. You can gimp Snakes recovery with Marth's Up B in similar fashion that you would use MKs to hit him out of cypher. The cypher will hit you, and allow you go get back to the stage. It kills a pretty low percents and is satisfying.

The problem i see here is that you have to go pretty high (bc snakes always recover high) if you want to hit them with the sweetspot. So that would only work if the snake allready is pretty low.

 

[BBoyindo]

Since when is the Marth-Falco Match up 60-40 in Marths favor? Last time i checked it was 55-45. I might be wrong so please tell me.

 

[Steel]

Since we first discussed it.

 

[BBoyindo]

Ok thanks, sorry for that then.

 

[fox219]

You should stop lying to yourself and just play MK so you hit the win button all day.

xD.

Snake is about 45/55 IMO. Might be even though.

Your third or secondary SHOULD be meta knight.

 

[∫unk]

No if we were all smart we would play MK. And learn DDD and Falco as secondaries.

That way you can get **** advantage against any "even" or "ever-so-slight-not-really-there disadvantage" mk has.

 

[Darxmarth23]

No if we were all smart we would play MK. And learn DDD and Falco as secondaries.

Thats what i do.

 

[Remzi]

Steel, should we do these summaries since you've apparently given up...

 

[Steel]

go for it

make sure you have significant experience in the match up before you post anything pls

 

[∫unk]

SNAKE 40:60
Okay this matchup is rly annoying. You can't do anything to u-smash f-tilt smash really except...

Shieldbreaker! Only use it once every 15-20 matches though. But it beats f-tilt so use it a lot.

F-air SB! Works every time!

Recover low he can't punish you!

Run past them and pivot grab but time it so u run past the u-smash.

Only bad snakes use grenades if he does it's like auto win for you.

Oh and C4 is sooo broken like when you hit shield after you hear "NOW!!!" it doesn't come up fast enough.

 

[Steel]

im gonna leave that summary

but a gay playing snake is most likely 40 60 yeah

 

[Remzi]

go for it

make sure you have significant experience in the match up before you post anything pls

got it, i'll do a few.

 

[Steel]

fox is now at 60 40

 

[d34thiseternal]

I have to agree with the match-ups, however, I seem to have much more trouble with the quicker characters like Diddy and Squirtle, any tips? I have the most trouble keeping them at the tipper range, they get inside and I can't get a solid hit.

 

[_Kadaj_]

I think You might want to re-visit snake like......NOW

juggle traps are starting to become even more difficult to pull off (via wavebouncing his grenades to completely put you out of range)

Some of his newer nade traps almost render you to stand there unless you want to be blown up and or mortar slided.

I think a rediscussion would be good

 

[Steel]

i dont think we need a rediscussion, but i can redo a snake summary. i agree it's outdated

 

[_Kadaj_]

ok. another thing his d throw is really starting to evolve his meta game ALOT.

It puts you in so many bad positions its not even funny.

There's almost a guaranteed set-up for whatever you do to get up

 

[Steel]

y a

 

[_Kadaj_]

I'm bored Steel come to Va so I can play you

 

[Steel]

no u comere

 

[_Kadaj_]

Do you know where your staying at for COT4?

Im staying with a girl who play smash. I hope shes good

 

[Steel]

yeah im staying at my house

 

[_Kadaj_]

O who are you riding with?

 

[Shaya]

Wait, guys, what happened to Fox to make it 60:40, I be interested.

 

[_Kadaj_]

his reverse grab maybe?

new mindgames?

better combo options now?

not trying to be funny i don't know

 

[Pr0phetic]

I have to agree with the match-ups, however, I seem to have much more trouble with the quicker characters like Diddy and Squirtle, any tips? I have the most trouble keeping them at the tipper range, they get inside and I can't get a solid hit.

Hmm I see. Well you probably have to work on your speed and pressue game. With Squirtle you just need to apply constant pressure and you'll **** them. Now Diddy is a little different, you have to be a little more cautious. His bananas will kill you momentum and build his, which means your basically screwed, so you have to turn those against him. If you don't know how already, learn to Glide Toss.

 

[AndrewCarlson]

Just curious. How did the Kirby match-up end up at 60:40? I've been away for a while but did manage to read some of the discussion here and on the Kirby boards. It seemed the general agreement was 70:30 or 65:35 at worst for Marth. Did something happen to change this ratio?

 

[∫unk]

kirby plays really really campy

watch mogx vs mikehaze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4cCyVKZ88

 

[mikeHAZE]

i didn't know that was up

thanks jun

 

[Steel]

Wolf moved to 50:50.

 

[AndrewCarlson]

Shouldn't we create a 55:45 category? Wolf is not quite 50:50 in my opinion. I personally feel Sheik and Donkey Kong are 55:45 too.

 

[Emblem Lord]

You guys think too hard and too much.

 

[Steel]

nvr mnd

 

[Punishment Divine]

kirby plays really really campy

watch mogx vs mikehaze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4cCyVKZ88

What a boring match lol

And I usually don't say that

 

[BacklashMarth]

Easywin against campy kirbies = tilt and jab. The only thing kirby tried to approach with was bair (kirby camping is pointless IMO lol). Jab and tilt him up to 50% and land a tipper. I agree with 70:30 or 65:35