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Marth's Match-Up Chart thread
- Thread starter t3h Icy
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Really? I deliberately try to avoid it, the lag if you wiff is on par with fsmash's, and if you're sure you're going to hit, I don't see why I wouldn't use something stronger. What uses do you have for it?Too many Maths sleepin on ftilt. Walk -> ftilt is def underused, esp vs floaties.
Also, I :ibwc: Marth boards
Divinokage
Smash Legend
If you whiff yes but the startup is far better meaning the hitbox is already out as soon as you used it which allows you to catch people DDing or shielding, it has great range and a lot less predictable imo.
the_CAM_factor
Smash Journeyman
marth boards need to be shutdown idk what happened here...
Fortress | Sveet
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Sorry for losing my temper. Idiots that don't/can't read my posts and then respond to things out of context really get under my skin. I've really cut down the number of posts recently because of how many people do that.
Niko45
Smash Master
very good read. personally I'd put marth vs peach at 90-10, but I see some people are really underestimating Marth in this mu
This. I find its useful when I can't get a kill move in, tippered ftilt has nice knockback. The lag at the end is also 14 frames shorter than fsmash.
Alright, I suppose I slightly exaggerated the lag on it
nonetheless, if you're worried about the lag (meaning you aren't relatively sure you'll get a hit) wouldn't it be better to go for fair or dtilt? The startup is just 3 frames faster, that's pretty low for how much less rewarding landing an ftilt is vs landing an fsmash.
Iunno, I'm just so used to hating it. lol.
Beat!
Smash Master
0-100 imo. Peach has bombs and mr saturns. wtf are you supposed to do.
Niko45
Smash Master
The mr saturns always get me man.
On the subject of ftilt vs fsmash, it's not just the fact that framewise it's slightly faster but the fact that the hitbox comes out low and finishes high (sorta like a tennis backhand) where as fsmash comes from over the top and finishes at the ground. This means ftilt will be covering Marth's feet/body earlier than fsmash where you can get hit out of the start up of fsmash cause so much of your body is exposed.
On the subject of ftilt vs fsmash, it's not just the fact that framewise it's slightly faster but the fact that the hitbox comes out low and finishes high (sorta like a tennis backhand) where as fsmash comes from over the top and finishes at the ground. This means ftilt will be covering Marth's feet/body earlier than fsmash where you can get hit out of the start up of fsmash cause so much of your body is exposed.
Beat!
Smash Master
IIRC ftilt also has more range than fsmash.
That's a really good point, I hadn't considered that. Suppose I'll work on incorporating it, haha.
Is there a list somewhere of attack lengths from a neutral position? That'd be hella useful.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Tsk I was about to say that, jerk. =P
Archangel
Smash Hero
lol @ buy me a ticket to DE. Why don't you buy your own ticket with all the money you've won from tournaments..........?
I'll see you around just don't forget to shake my hand after I take your money.
crush
Smash Master
How come all the people that talk about how good they are you never get to see in videos/tournament results?
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Spam arrows, i dont think you understand. Darkrain asked to play me, not the other way around. ****.
Archangel
Smash Hero
what? now you are just name dropping without a purpose. What exactly does that mean? I've been asked to play Falco for example by Eggz. What does that mean?well..it means 2 things. Jack and ****. I'm done with you though. I'll see you when I see you and when I see you I'm going to beat you. Until then...best of luck to you.
Fortress | Sveet
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Why so serious? I thought the internet wasn't supposed to be taken so serious? LMAOOO
Archangel
Smash Hero
is this the part where you play calm and try to make me seem like the guy who was upset? I'm not serious the majority of the time tbh. It's hard to be serious on smashboards it's rated E for everyone and ****. Still I don't want to waste my time or anyone else with some Ray J beef on the marth boards so I'll put it simple so you can understand it.
Play me and beat me or shut up and eat me.
got that? It rhymes
Play me and beat me or shut up and eat me.
got that? It rhymes
D
Deleted member
Guest
20 dollars on archangel
Fortress | Sveet
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You wouldn't stand a chance against me, which is why i find you so funny. But I barely even play this game any more, much less travel, which is why I said fly me. Otherwise come to the MW.
How about this, I'll buy a ticket to DE and play you in smash. If i win you pay for the entire trip.
How about this, I'll buy a ticket to DE and play you in smash. If i win you pay for the entire trip.
crush
Smash Master
30 dollars on archangel
Grape Ape
Smash Apprentice
ftilt always trips me up. Boat Mode likes to do this thing where he slowly walks foward and spams it when he has the center of the stage, which covers him high and low. its hard to really get in on it and im forced back a bit, which is never good.
also, $40 to whoever can stop Sveet and Spam's **** waving contest. seriously guys, nice epeen battle, but take it to PM or something. no one cares.
also, $40 to whoever can stop Sveet and Spam's **** waving contest. seriously guys, nice epeen battle, but take it to PM or something. no one cares.
Archangel
Smash Hero
What do I get when I win?
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I wouldnt worry about it, you're not going to
Mahone
Smash Champion
so uh.... marth definitely beats puff...
uggghhh... nvm... i was gonna post some info, but this thread is ****ing awful
uggghhh... nvm... i was gonna post some info, but this thread is ****ing awful
Archangel
Smash Hero
Lets say I did. Then what?
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Thats probably how the world is going to end, so I wouldn't do it if i were you
Welcome to the Marth boards, can I get you anything to drink?
Archangel
Smash Hero
lol. Alright...welcome to the ignore list. Feel free to PM me if you actually mean to meet up at future events.
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Woot one less idiot to have to read responses from!
Mahone
Smash Champion
naw dude, the tourney i went to yesterday was sponsored by bawls...
it was ****ing awesome... i took home like 10 bottles lol
i can't believe a local tourney could get sponsored so easily, plus 50 bucks was added to each pot by some other sponsor, it was ****ing ****...
...
sorry i know it was a rhetorical question, but that tourney was too good lol
Archangel
Smash Hero
Getting back on track. What do you think of Marth vs Puff Mahone?
Mahone
Smash Champion
I think marth wins but no marth plays it right...
I have played like every single good marth player and none of them really know what they are doing, which makes sense since there are so few puff players
you have to play really different vs. puff, which is why its hard for marth players...
they focus too much on fthrow fsmash, when its really not a big part of the matchup at all, if the puff is good they will di it and not get grabbed much... of course you could use pivots to tip fsmash, but marths are too lazy to learn that so its whatever
eh im not sure what to write about it... if you pick a specific aspect of the match like recovery or something i could talk about it
I have played like every single good marth player and none of them really know what they are doing, which makes sense since there are so few puff players
you have to play really different vs. puff, which is why its hard for marth players...
they focus too much on fthrow fsmash, when its really not a big part of the matchup at all, if the puff is good they will di it and not get grabbed much... of course you could use pivots to tip fsmash, but marths are too lazy to learn that so its whatever
eh im not sure what to write about it... if you pick a specific aspect of the match like recovery or something i could talk about it
Archangel
Smash Hero
Lets break it up then into 5 sections.
Space Control:
Ground game:
Aerial game:
Neutral positions:
Edge game:
thoughts?
Mahone
Smash Champion
oh god... this is too much for me to handle right now lol
space control: use more ftilt, outside of the game... think A LOT about how to get stage control back... don't wait until you play a puff for the first time in tourney to think of it, you'll lose
ground game: don't go for grabs at all until you get better at other stuff, use downtilt and ftilt more, spaced dash attacks can be amazing but require a lot of room
aerial game: every aerial is good except bair, fair obv. the main aerial u'll be using, not sure what to say... you can beat all her aerials with ur its just about who has better spacing... just don't let her down when she's above you, use platform wavelands to surprise her/keep her from landing
neutral position: just a combination of the above two things... just poke with dtilts, space fairs, use ftilts to frustrate her then punish with tipped fsmash when she doesn't space perfectly
edge game: you lose at the edge, practice ways to get back and vary them so she can't just like read a roll and rest, vary your recovery using counter, shieldbreaker, fair to defend, side-b and curling to mixup recovery... u can actually "edgeguard" her really well... same idea as peach, just keep hitting her off, shieldbreaker here is godlike because it has more range than fair and thats what the jiggs is gonna space outside of, plus it will kill really early on like yoshis or with bad di, dtilt when then go low, dtilt ledge when they grab it to bait fair/ bairs off the ledge and then iasa the dtilt into fsmash/ftilt to frustrate them, get them offstage again
thoughts?- Marths shouldn't be allowed to say puff wins when they haven't played any good jiggs for an extended period of time...
space control: use more ftilt, outside of the game... think A LOT about how to get stage control back... don't wait until you play a puff for the first time in tourney to think of it, you'll lose
ground game: don't go for grabs at all until you get better at other stuff, use downtilt and ftilt more, spaced dash attacks can be amazing but require a lot of room
aerial game: every aerial is good except bair, fair obv. the main aerial u'll be using, not sure what to say... you can beat all her aerials with ur its just about who has better spacing... just don't let her down when she's above you, use platform wavelands to surprise her/keep her from landing
neutral position: just a combination of the above two things... just poke with dtilts, space fairs, use ftilts to frustrate her then punish with tipped fsmash when she doesn't space perfectly
edge game: you lose at the edge, practice ways to get back and vary them so she can't just like read a roll and rest, vary your recovery using counter, shieldbreaker, fair to defend, side-b and curling to mixup recovery... u can actually "edgeguard" her really well... same idea as peach, just keep hitting her off, shieldbreaker here is godlike because it has more range than fair and thats what the jiggs is gonna space outside of, plus it will kill really early on like yoshis or with bad di, dtilt when then go low, dtilt ledge when they grab it to bait fair/ bairs off the ledge and then iasa the dtilt into fsmash/ftilt to frustrate them, get them offstage again
thoughts?- Marths shouldn't be allowed to say puff wins when they haven't played any good jiggs for an extended period of time...
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
IB thinks Puff wins and has played Idea for years iirc.
Mahone
Smash Champion
well i would respect IB's opinion and ask him why he thought that...
im not saying all marth's have to say marth wins, im just saying it seems foolish to make a judgement before you have played the matchup against a good puff for an extended period of time... which in my experience is what most marth players do, but maybe im wrong idk
im not saying all marth's have to say marth wins, im just saying it seems foolish to make a judgement before you have played the matchup against a good puff for an extended period of time... which in my experience is what most marth players do, but maybe im wrong idk
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I'll ask him the next time I see him.
