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Great! Thanks.
This is awesome info. But can you explain what these multipliers actually mean to frame data? I'm a bit clueless to how hitlag works on projectiles.
...considering the activation condition for this is just dropping your shield during a multi-hitting attack, this isn't really feasible.
All low multiplier moves have what was essentially a bugged hitlag bonus to shields removed, and all high multiplier moves have what was essentially a bugged hitlag penalty removed.
In terms of the frame data:
I am not confirming these results myself, this mainly comes from the Japanese Rosa community, so I'm not providing concrete information. But the basics are that Luma clearly follows a different equation for shield stun than normal attacks, whether it's because Luma is being counted as projectile / item / something unique.
If it can be triggered by accident, it cannot be regulated.
That's true. All that stuff on Levin Sword attacks could easily just be a GFX change to the Levin Sword. I still think it might merit looking into? I dunno.
Shaya
, remember what I mentioned earlier about how Ryu had a delay to his run if you had to turn around first?
I know that not all of Samus' FAF frames were completely found out. Is there anyway you could find out the rest of the info for her?
In this chart, you wrote Thunder Wave twice for Pikachu (one in each section). You meant Thunder Jolt (the default special) for one of them, right? (Whichever one it is ^-^')
The 0.66x ones? I believe those were applied to the water particles on one of his victory poses. http://gfycat.com/RepulsiveUniformBarasingha
1.1.1
Frame speed multipliers modified to change timing of hitbox for neutral and back aerials.
Greninja's second victory pose has been slightly changed.
That's just straight up wrong. In literally any other situation, doing something game breaking by accident would still be ruled as a forfeit. Getting stuck in an unreachable area by accident would still cost you the game. Causing a crash by accident would still cost you the game. Becoming invincible by accident would still cost you the game. So, yes, doing this glitch by accident could be ruled as a forfeit without compromising the consistency of our ruleset.
Ah, I thought so.
Might be an animation fix to NAir and BAir though. I think both of them either have or had hitboxes that didn't quite match the animation?Ah, I thought so.
I'll have to test out the N-air and B-air hitboxes... I don't think I've noticed a difference at all yet...
What exactly is the damage? How much less safe are those projectiles now? Or is that dependent on damage? Do projectiles follow the same shield stun formula as physical attacks?
Oh right, they're just animation changes.
Not only was Roy not nerfed, but the universal shield stun increase benefits him greatly and makes a lot of his moves safe on shield. t3h ph1r3 rises.
I tested the usage counts and that's all the same. I didn't check the refresh timers but I've been playing Robin since the patch came out and nothin's felt different. At least not for Levin, Arcfire, or Thunder. I don't typically run out of Elwind or Nos so I couldn't say for sure about those.
But then he's worse against almost any other swordsman or anybody else with good range because they've been made safer at max range when he wasn't.
Marth at least has his non-tippered FAirs work out to be exactly as safe as before, but I'm not sure if Roy's increased shieldstun/decreased shieldlag trade is a wash as well.
That's not really much different than before, though. He's always been at a range disadvantage, now it's just a bit more of a disadvantage. I'd gladly take that over shields completely negating his strengths.
I already commented on this change before. The change also affected Zelda and Dark Pit. I believe this to be the size of the grabhitbox increasing from 32 to 33.
Someone earlier in this thread did the math and Marth sourspots (at least on FAir) are just as safe as they used to be due to increased shieldstun cancelling out the decreased shieldlag. Dunno about Roy though.
This was always the case.
Yeah, it's been a well-known quirk of the stage; it's the only Omega with walls that disallows wall-jumps, despite non-Omega Kalos allowing them.
