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hippiedude92 · Oct 25, 2009

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=253426

boss is the best irl <33333.

and going clutch time against a gaw has to be the hardest moment ever in a tourney set. (game 3 last stock, 140%+ both)

it ended me up being able to make a 120%+ comeback against this gaw and somehow.... mario's dsmash clanked with gaw's dsmash LMFAO. and right after it clanked, i still managed to dsmash him. When you land that fsmash for a kill, it FEEEEEEELS so much good.

I realized that.. if your at clutch time... fishing for that kill... you can't be predictable.. you can't spam your kill move 4x in a row or some **** like that. Of course Mario's fsmash is safe but it's sooooooooo hard to be patient lol.

I asked Snakeee for advice when it comes to clutch time (last stock high %) he said to be patient, to be calm, just rack up more damage to be in a more advantageous position, camp hard as ****, outspace them and realize the opening for the kill move.

in my winner's bracket, i lost to round 1 rob, l fought Ninjalink the tourney before this one, so l fixed my problems in getting hit by gyro since l used my cape and l don't airdodge next to rob. But the problem was that Rob was ****ing spacing the **** outta me, l had sooo much problems with his spaced Ftilt -_-. NL was telling me l should have aggressive camp him or camped Rob, but l thought it was dumb camping rob lol... so how do you aggressive camp/ camp and get past ftilt??

Inferno3044 · Oct 25, 2009

Why wasn't I there? So many good players came to this and I was playing music at a precollege. Ally, M2K, Meep, Tyrant, P~S, and Boss at a tourney half an hour away from me. And that's only the players out of state. I should've been there.

DtJ XeroXen · Oct 25, 2009

I got 13th/33rd with Mario and a little bit of MK (But I always went in with Mario first, except against Xisin who had already beaten my Mario in pools.)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8704486#post8704486

Videos up later.

JUDGE · Oct 25, 2009

wow kirin got 33?
this is great^^

vato_break · Oct 25, 2009

i got 33/77 sigh lost to Havok and fiction..soooo gay

hippiedude92 · Oct 25, 2009

i wanna play fiction, i swear i stole that famous spotdodge thing from him when i use wario lol.

kirin almost beat meeps ics with link lol.

vato_break · Oct 25, 2009

fiction used ic's/mk on me..he didn't go wario all tourney i think.He got 17th iirc

fromundaman · Oct 25, 2009

That explains why I sometimes have gotten it to work. I always thought it was bad DI on their part (though I tend to do Bair>Ftilt more often for damage.).

bobson · Oct 25, 2009

You all need to start abusing this if you aren't already. Ftilt, utilt, dtilt, fthrow, bair, nair, or anything that will cause your opponent to land on the stage without tumbling will set you up for a free punishment of your choice. Dtilt > fsmash works particularly well at lower percents, and around 80-110% the landing hitbox of dair will set you up perfectly for a stutter-stepped fsmash if the opponent doesn't jump.

fromundaman · Oct 25, 2009

Dtilt only works if they have bad reaction time. They can punish before you get out of the move's animation.

Also, M2K managed to find a ride to Viridian City? Well... I guess it's a good thing I wasn't there to accept the ride he offered to the nearby NEOH tourny...

Javon89 · Oct 25, 2009

So whats a good character that has a similar gameplay to fox? I need a new secondary....

DtJ XeroXen · Oct 25, 2009

You could second Metaknight or Pikachu, they work for me.

Javon89 · Oct 25, 2009

Hmmm....
I am leaning over to GaW

Fire! · Oct 25, 2009

You guys think that this is worthy enough to make a video out of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev8a8z1aHtg

It was news to me.

$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$ · Oct 25, 2009

Omg the extended-up B, I just tested it out. It works. omg

DtJ XeroXen · Oct 25, 2009

Um, I thought that was known... for the longest time. All you have to do is press back and up to do it (or at least that's how I've been doing it.)

vato_break · Oct 25, 2009

A2zomg has mentioned this a million times.

A2ZOMG · Oct 25, 2009

I've known about it forever. Didn't you guys read my Mario guide?

Oh yeah and playtest B-air -> F-smash guys. I want to know how practical it actually is.

Matador · Oct 25, 2009

A2ZOMG said:
Oh yeah and playtest B-air -> F-smash guys. I want to know how practical it actually is.

Ask anybody. Back in my earlier days, I used to constantly use this around KO percentages.

I've long since stopped because it became dangerously habitual, but it works on an unsuspecting opponent. Under proper conditions (late Bair maybe?) it appears to combo, although I'm almost certain it doesn't. Seriously, Fsmash's range has built in setups. Capejump -> AD away -> Fsmash is a reliable setup.

I use it. BO X7 uses it. Boss uses it. Kirin uses it....

Works especially great on characters that love grabbing (DK, D3) since their shieldgrab isn't as far as a SSFsmash. Just don't try it vs Olimar.

Kanzaki · Oct 25, 2009

The up+b is as old as stutterstepping or ace.

A2ZOMG · Oct 25, 2009

Matador said:
Ask anybody. Back in my earlier days, I used to constantly use this around KO percentages.

I've long since stopped because it became dangerously habitual, but it works on an unsuspecting opponent. Under proper conditions (late Bair maybe?) it appears to combo, although I'm almost certain it doesn't. Seriously, Fsmash's range has built in setups. Capejump -> AD away -> Fsmash is a reliable setup.

I use it. BO X7 uses it. Boss uses it. Kirin uses it....

Works especially great on characters that love grabbing (DK, D3) since their shieldgrab isn't as far as a SSFsmash. Just don't try it vs Olimar.

Matador, I've tested and 100% confirmed this is a TRUE combo if you do it right.

If your B-air is super stale, it true combos at kill percents.

Otherwise, B-air -> F-smash can be used at mid percents as a damage dealer, since it does like 30% or so.

hippiedude92 · Oct 25, 2009

It's practical for those who don't expect it, or those who let down their shield abit early.

Actually, l won that way, by bairing their shield, then fsmash because l was scared ftw to win the tourney set against a GaW lol

Calebyte · Oct 25, 2009

It does work! I'm not sure I'd be able to pull it off consistently, but it's good to know...

Matador · Oct 25, 2009

A2ZOMG said:
Matador, I've tested and 100% confirmed this is a TRUE combo if you do it right.

If your B-air is super stale, it true combos at kill percents.

Otherwise, B-air -> F-smash can be used at mid percents as a damage dealer, since it does like 30% or so.

Good to know. How stale does it have to be? Mario could always use more reliable KO setups.

hippiedude92 · Oct 25, 2009

Mario needs more reliable ko setups that just doesn't always involve him with Fsmashing for the kill lol.

vato_break · Oct 25, 2009

i use ff dairs and sometimes that sets up for getting KO's
fireball>fsmash works too sometimes.

$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$ · Oct 25, 2009

Uhh, I hate reading, too much stuff to read about a character -.-

A2ZOMG · Oct 25, 2009

Matador said:
Good to know. How stale does it have to be? Mario could always use more reliable KO setups.

Dunno. I was able to F-smash G&W out of a B-air when I B-aired him at like 87%.

It needs to be pretty darn stale, so after you do a U-tilt or D-throw -> U-air combo, you'd have to be almost exclusively using B-air in order for it to become stale enough to combo at high percents against a lightweight. Probably will work better against a character who you can pressure and edgeguard easily.

Matador · Oct 25, 2009

vato_break said:
i use ff dairs and sometimes that sets up for getting KO's
fireball>fsmash works too sometimes.

<3 Fireball -> Fsmash. It looks so sexy when it connects.

$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$ said:
Uhh, I hate reading, too much stuff to read about a character -.-

Lol, I doubt Boss reads any of this shiz, and he's the best of us.

bobson · Oct 25, 2009

fromundaman said:
Dtilt only works if they have bad reaction time. They can punish before you get out of the move's animation.

At lower percents, they'll land before they can do anything and be stuck in lag while you finish your dtilt. If they take the hard lag, it's fsmash time.

Also, since jab > jab puts them in the air and has a natural 7-frame advantage already, you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want to their supple little bodies after it.

Matt07 · Oct 25, 2009

Wow...so d-tilt really has a use now, awesome.

Matador · Oct 26, 2009

Don't be fooled, the cake is a lie.

:mad: · Oct 26, 2009

$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$ said:
Uhh, I hate reading, too much stuff to read about a character -.-

NOT ENOUGH IF YOU ASK ME

<c

fromundaman · Oct 26, 2009

Matador said:
certain it doesn't. Seriously, Fsmash's range has built in setups. Capejump -> AD away -> Fsmash is a reliable setup.

I use it. BO X7 uses it. Boss uses it. Kirin uses it....

Works especially great on characters that love grabbing (DK, D3) since their shieldgrab isn't as far as a SSFsmash. Just don't try it vs Olimar.

I never knew/thought of this. Thanks! That's one more setup for me!

Matador · Oct 26, 2009

Boss caught Ally with it twice I think during their set. Bo did too IIRC, lol.

Check it out to see how it's done.

Edit: Nvm, Boss did it once during the set, and it was sorta weird. The way I land it, I'll capejump to intentionally hit their shield so that they'll try to punish with a shieldgrab. If they do that, I'll airdodge away and stutterstep my Fsmash.

Works wonders.

DtJ XeroXen · Oct 26, 2009

I prefer to lure out the grab with a retreating Dair or Nair, instead of an airdodge, myself.

hippiedude92 · Oct 26, 2009

Matador said:
Don't be fooled, the cake is a lie.

Boss does read the shiz here, he just lurks and doesn't post lol.

at higher %s dtilt is legit. jab > wait for shield to drop > dtilt > laugh at them > fsmash

:OOO

Javon89 · Oct 26, 2009

Is there a vid where this is performed, this sounds useful.

vato_break · Oct 26, 2009

i think mario can out camp peach on their cp...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc3aA4-bAF4

A2ZOMG · Oct 26, 2009

Mario actually is pretty good on RC if you ask me. Not like G&W or MK good, but he's really good at camping on this stage indeed.

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