Mario Boards: General Discussion

[steep]

I want to go to a tourney so that I can show how much I've improved. I have spent a lot of time on my spacing game and not being predictable/going auto-pilot. I really think I can do well at GP Affairs 4 in July.... I'll probably get whooped at SiiS5 though, and that comes first.

@JuxtaposeX: Don't ever give up! You are probably a lot better than me, if that helps you feel any better!

BTW, Idk if this is still open for new faces, but I'll add myself!

steep

Real Name: Brenton

Age: 20, Birthday is July 31

Location: Columbus, Indiana (Muncie, Indiana when I'm at college)

Mario Costume: Blue

Fav Mario Game: Paper Mario

Tournament Attendance: I have been to 6 or so official tournies, and I am going to 2 more this summer. I plan to be plenty active in the near future.

About Me: I play trumpet, and I am a music performance major at Ball State University. I love brawl and I love trumpet, and that's about all I have to say about me at this time. Oh, and I main Mario and don't afraid of anything. XD

 

[Inferno3044]

Steep I respect your favorite Mario game and I respect even more your major. I'm a Horn Performance major at VCU.

 

[steep]

Awesome Man! Then you probably know how hard it is to find time to practice brawl! Ha Ha So how are your teachers there at VCU?

 

[Inferno3044]

Awesome Man! Then you probably know how hard it is to find time to practice brawl! Ha Ha So how are your teachers there at VCU?

I do know. My teachers are amazing and I would recommend VCU to any music major. They do not have a graduate school for music though.

 

[MP8]

Paper Mario is no doubt my favorite Mario game as well. Too fun.

 

[A2ZOMG]

PMTTYD is better than the original. Just sayin. Happens to be my favorite Mario game anyhow.

 

[fromundaman]

so went to a tournament today, went 1-2 in brackets
lost to a guy who went by Argent (lucario/PT) 0-2
beat a lady named rikku (lucario) 2-1
and then lost to a guy named jiffy (ness) 0-2

To be fair, both Argent and Jiffy have played my Mario quite a bit when I was living in NEOH, and I'm pretty sure they've both played against most the other MW Marios (Xero, Steep, Mars, Omari, Caleb, and I think I'm forgetting someone), so they probably knew the matchup pretty well. I know I've done a LOT of Mario vs Ness with Jiffy in particular.

How is Rikku now? I haven't played against her in a long time.

I do know. My teachers are amazing and I would recommend VCU to any music major. They do not have a graduate school for music though.

Haha, you're making me want to go back to a music major. Sadly, I don't think I could make money off of that, so I'll just stick to playing all the time and occasionally giving lessons.

 

[MP8]

PMTTYD is better than the original. Just sayin. Happens to be my favorite Mario game anyhow.

Better because its your favorite game? Not likely. Paper Mario has originality. It actually takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom with Bowser as the main villian, holdng Peach captive, a classic suspense we are all familiar with. Except Paper Mario portrayed that classic plot better than its predecessors and any other game that came after it. Bowser became a side-show and had little meaning in his roles as the series progressed which was disappointing. Thousand Year Door was an amazing game as well. It was more challenging, required better judgment and strategy and had more to do in it. But sometimes however, at least in the case of this specific series, plot and simplicity holds greater meaning. Paper Mario had a pretty good selection of extra chores to do in it anyways.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Better because its your favorite game? Not likely. Paper Mario has originality. It actually takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom with Bowser as the main villian, holdng Peach captive, a classic suspense we are all familiar with. Except Paper Mario portrayed that classic plot better than its predecessors and any other game that came after it. Bowser became a side-show and had little meaning in his roles as the series progressed which was disappointing. Thousand Year Door was an amazing game as well. It was more challenging, required better judgment and strategy and had more to do in it. But sometimes however, at least in the case of this specific series, plot and simplicity holds greater meaning. Paper Mario had a pretty good selection of extra chores to do in it anyways.

TYD easily surpasses its prequel in terms of originality. The backgrounds on a lot of the characters in the original Paper Mario are pretty half-assed to be frank. I mean concerning the party members, you kinda just meet them, do something cool for them, and you're friends, and you don't really know anything else about them.

TYD actually does a much better job of fleshing out its characters and making everyone a more complete entity with more than two dimensions figuratively speaking. Well, except Yoshi, whose simplicity is understandable since you basically acquire him as an egg. Oh and the NPCs. TYD for the most part crushes the original in this area. Once you leave an area in the original, almost nobody matters besides the party members you acquire. TYD actually gives you reasons to remember the NPCs of that game.

The same goes for the villains. Bowser is honestly a pretty terrible villain. And I don't mean that as a compliment to him, given how one dimensional he is on so many levels. He's onetracked, easily outsmarted, and not complex in terms of goals. Then you have Grodus who is secretive and manipulative and has a hidden agenda. He's easily a much more believable villain than Bowser, given Bowser mainly comes off as more anti-heroic than anything. This isn't even the fault of newer games, Bowser in general across the entire Mario series has had some pretty awful ideas about how being a villain works.

I don't think I have to argue about how TYD also has better actual gameplay than the prequel, though it's pretty easy to sum up. They're both too easy, but TYD actually gives you more useful options to encourage strategy and technical skill. Every party member actually is useful in that game, and the action command system is far better developed in that game as well. Better puzzles out of battle as well.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

To be fair, both Argent and Jiffy have played my Mario quite a bit when I was living in NEOH, and I'm pretty sure they've both played against most the other MW Marios (Xero, Steep, Mars, Omari, Caleb, and I think I'm forgetting someone), so they probably knew the matchup pretty well. I know I've done a LOT of Mario vs Ness with Jiffy in particular.

How is Rikku now? I haven't played against her in a long time.

Yea Argent pretty much destroyed me first round and then i took him to brinstar which he switched to pt and that was the only close game lol... squirtle too good.. He told me during grand finals he doesn't really lose to mario that much, he said he has had Xero take games off of him before but that's it.

Jiffy 2 stocked me both games he's too good lol

Rikku seems really good to me lol all of the games were last stock high %, I wouldn't be surprised if I lost if I had to play her again lol

 

[A2ZOMG]

Squirtle is easy for Mario. You can't kill him easily if he's good, but you can treat him like Wario in that hitting him for damage purposes is pretty easy, and against the PT, stalling against Squirtle is really good since you have the advantage against the other two Pokemon. The only thing you have to worry about besides the fact he's hard to kill is that Squirtle will kill you once you're like...at 130% which is when his D-throw kills you.

But seriously if you just space B-air, U-air, and U-smash, and do those out of shield, Squirtle isn't too hard for Mario to deal with. Oh also gimping him is pretty legit.

Lucario is a lame and tedious matchup I'd rather not play in tournament. I think Mario wins it slightly, but wasting effort on this matchup is unfun since most of Lucario's game is just waiting for you to get hit by stuff that mostly shouldn't hit you but can be hard to punish.

 

[Juushichi]

so went to a tournament today, went 1-2 in brackets
lost to a guy who went by Argent (lucario/PT) 0-2
beat a lady named rikku (lucario) 2-1
and then lost to a guy named jiffy (ness) 0-2

Rikku used to play me all the time when I was down at OU, and the last time I played her in a serious set (that wasn't pools at the last OUGA---I went Marth and DK and won 2-0), I lost to her 1-2. She's gotten a whole lot better, can juggle well and knows what to do against Mario. She's got some road blocks (snake, marth... and my zelda oddly enough) but she's gotten a lot better. It's pretty frustrating playing against her with Sheik and Mario honestly. I usually just play Pit, DK or Marth against her now.

Argent is hard and who I tried to learn the Lucario matchup from... needless to say he doesn't really have problems with the Mario matchup. It's less about playing vs his Lucario and more about just... playing agianst him. Argent is a talented player regardless. His PT is nothing to laugh at for sure, I probably get the closest vs him and his PT. Sometimes his Ivy can be a real pest too.

Jiffy has a solid Ness and an even better Wario (since he constantly plays with Blue Rouge and stuff). It switches from being extremely frustrating (like against 64) to being relatively close depending on how I play him, I think. More than anything, all three of them know how to play against Mario.

Also, from you jerk... I was the MW Mario that you forgot... and I probably play the three of them the most now!

 

[A2ZOMG]

I feel like I should let you guys know the next time I randomly visit my older sister in Shaker Heights Ohio or something, since I definitely want to show more people my Mario in person and demonstrate things.

 

[steep]

@A2Z: That would be cool! I'm not too far from Ohio so we could play at some tourney in Cinci or something, since there seem to be a lot of tourneys around there!

 

[Juushichi]

There are a lot of tournaments now in Columbus too. Especially if OSI continues (along with AZ's help).

 

[steep]

There are a lot of tournaments now in Columbus too. Especially if OSI continues (along with AZ's help).

For a second I thought you meant Columbus, IN.... that's my home town and I was gonna be HYPED. But Columbus, OH is cool too.... lol

 

[MP8]

TYD easily surpasses its prequel in terms of originality. The backgrounds on a lot of the characters in the original Paper Mario are pretty half-assed to be frank. I mean concerning the party members, you kinda just meet them, do something cool for them, and you're friends, and you don't really know anything else about them.

TYD actually does a much better job of fleshing out its characters and making everyone a more complete entity with more than two dimensions figuratively speaking. Well, except Yoshi, whose simplicity is understandable since you basically acquire him as an egg. Oh and the NPCs. TYD for the most part crushes the original in this area. Once you leave an area in the original, almost nobody matters besides the party members you acquire. TYD actually gives you reasons to remember the NPCs of that game.

The same goes for the villains. Bowser is honestly a pretty terrible villain. And I don't mean that as a compliment to him, given how one dimensional he is on so many levels. He's onetracked, easily outsmarted, and not complex in terms of goals. Then you have Grodus who is secretive and manipulative and has a hidden agenda. He's easily a much more believable villain than Bowser, given Bowser mainly comes off as more anti-heroic than anything. This isn't even the fault of newer games, Bowser in general across the entire Mario series has had some pretty awful ideas about how being a villain works.

I don't think I have to argue about how TYD also has better actual gameplay than the prequel, though it's pretty easy to sum up. They're both too easy, but TYD actually gives you more useful options to encourage strategy and technical skill. Every party member actually is useful in that game, and the action command system is far better developed in that game as well. Better puzzles out of battle as well.

I don't disagree with you at all about this. Thousand Year Door did go more in depth with the background of Mario's party members. And Bowser has always been a simpleton. However, I'm not talking about originality of plot outlines in general. I'm referring to the originality of a typical Mario game of Bowser kidnapping Peach and such. Bowser has always been Mario's main rival regardless so he can't be undermined in that department whether you want to or not. Even though he over-threw the Star Spirits and ceased the Star Rod to become invincible because that obviously wasn't cool. The original SMB and all the other past Mario games hardly outlined anything, the characters were just there. Yet they are some of the best games ever. Of course, the first game of the series is going to seem less detailed. It was their first experiment putting Mario in paper form so knowing it would be instantly successful is doubtful. And not every party member was ignored. There just wasn't that much to know. Sushi is a fish that watches over Yoshi kids. Knowing its birthday and life story (it swam around in the ocean) is not needed.

TYD's success was only because the first game revolutionized that style of gameplay. (Not too sure about RPGLO Seven Stars, but there was quite a gap between the two). I'm pretty sure that Paper Mario had higher consistant ratings than TYD from various critics and sites but that's just from memory, I don't care enough to check. Mushroom Kingdom>Rogue Port. I think we can both agree that these games are better than Super Paper Mario at least.

 

[Coolwhip]

What's crackin marios? I know some of you went to see "The Hang Over 2" I did.
Wayyyy better then part 1, too good & too funny. It was

 

[steep]

^^^ I totally just went and saw it! I actually thought it was very similar to part 1 and I think whichever one I would have watched first, I'd like better. So in this case, I like part 1 better. It was still pretty freakin' hilarious. Loved the "Allen Town Song" lol

 

[Inferno3044]

I didn't see Hangover 2 because it sounded EXACTLY like the first one except they are in Bangkok.

Also I agree with MP8. It was definitely more original because it was its own concept and TTYD is a sequel. A2, most villains of the Nintendo series aren't that in depth. Bowser, Ganon, Dedede, and Team Rocket (and every new version of them in the pokemon series) had the same goal and they are still top games. You could definitely claim that as an RPG TTYD is better due to its better story, as a game I like the first one more. Regardless, the Paper Mario RPG's are amazing and some of my favorite games and I hope Paper Mario 3DS is good as well.

 

[Coolwhip]

NEED HELP; Did anyone here finish cave story? or played it @ least?
I finally beat the whole game & can't unlock other modes in the main menu. Anyone knows what
to do here?

 

[mars16]

I agree with MP8 also for originality, though ttyd is my favorite.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Also I agree with MP8. It was definitely more original because it was its own concept and TTYD is a sequel. A2, most villains of the Nintendo series aren't that in depth. Bowser, Ganon, Dedede, and Team Rocket (and every new version of them in the pokemon series) had the same goal and they are still top games. You could definitely claim that as an RPG TTYD is better due to its better story, as a game I like the first one more. Regardless, the Paper Mario RPG's are amazing and some of my favorite games and I hope Paper Mario 3DS is good as well.

How was Paper Mario it's own concept? They just made a Mario RPG, set it in the mushroom kingdom, put some action commands and dungeon elements here and there, made everything else flat (literally and figuratively speaking), and called it a day. Only unique from SMRPG in that your party members actually can do stuff besides fight every so often as well as the fact SMRPG has some fairly ****ty jump mechanics. PMtTYD actually does the "Paper" part of the series justice, both in terms of being a fleshed out story and in terms of actually having paper mechanics.

Ganon disagrees with your statement. There's actually a story behind Ganon's origin. Also Team Douchebag from Pokemon is fairly well developed in the actual games, especially the newer ones.

Also Nintendo actually makes a lot of good villains. StarFox has good characters as well as villains. Metroid isn't too character heavy but still has a strong concept and plot behind it and depth to the antagonist forces. Fire Emblem excels at character development if anything. Earthbound has AMAZING villains, some of the most sinister and well developed in RPG history.

 

[MP8]

How was Paper Mario it's own concept? They just made a Mario RPG, set it in the mushroom kingdom, put some action commands and dungeon elements here and there, made everything else flat (literally and figuratively speaking), and called it a day. Only unique from SMRPG in that your party members actually can do stuff besides fight every so often as well as the fact SMRPG has some fairly ****ty jump mechanics. PMtTYD actually does the "Paper" part of the series justice, both in terms of being a fleshed out story and in terms of actually having paper mechanics.

Paper Mario was its own concept because it was the first game (at least in its own respective series and/or Mario series in general) to manifest a story in paper form. Except, just being that it was paper wasn't the point of it. Mario games were or already did move past the 2 dimensional phase and were being made into 3D. Nintendo knew at the beginning of the new milleneum, that 2D was going to be obsolete indefinitely. Paper Mario combined the two. The only sensible way to put 2D in a 3D environment is paper of course. Paper Mario was the mix and the first Mario game to have this idea to appreciate its 2D past, in which it was created. TYD was derived from Paper Mario of course with it being the sequel and a very good sequel at that. That's my opinion at least. No hate on TYD, I love that game but I just don't think its better than its predecessor.

 

[A2ZOMG]

The only sensible way to put 2D in a 3D environment is paper? Nonsense. Fighting games will gladly disagree with you. And that they knew 2D was going to be obsolete indefinitely? That's nonsense as well. Kirby 64 gladly disagrees, and I will further add that game was released BEFORE Paper Mario.

Why does paper make things any different? This is a concept that the original game quite frankly doesn't execute well at all. This is why TYD is the gem of the series, both fresh, unique, and actually true to its title namesake.

 

[mars16]

TTYD has more concept.
Tyd expresses the tilte of the game better, the fact that most of Mario's abilitys are paper..
paper airplane (example)

 

[MP8]

Well, I only said 2D was becoming obsolete because games really were getting better visually. With the updating of technology and HD, why would they make a 2D game anyways? Haha. In a real life situation, how would you have 2D characters come to life? (not literally) Simple, we can only make something look 2D by having it drawn on like a piece of paper, a wall, cardboard, etc. For example, cardboard cutouts of celebrities is 2D. They were just being simple with it. Sorry, I don't play fighting games anymore so you'll have to elaborate on that. The only thing I can remember that pertains to this was Marvel vs Capcom 2. If that is the example you were going to give then disregard the question.

Yeah, TYD did indeed stay true to the concept of a paper unverse by having Mario inherit actual paper abilities and having his wind partner blow a page off a hidden block or whatever. The first did exercise its paper-like attributes but not as far as TYD. I like the first game better still because its plot is more to my liking, that's all. And because its more original to the Mario series itself.

Oh and I forgot to add. When I talk about 2D, I'm referring to a flat universe and not just a side-scrolling game. I appologize, I should have mentioned that earlier.

 

[Inferno3044]

I liked the first one more because I liked the levels more. I decided to play TTYD again and I beat Boggly Woods today. That **** was annoying because punies would just leave me for no reason at all. For example, when I freed all the punies, 9 of them decided to chill in the cage. And at random times they would just stop following me. There wasn't an obstacle or anything to stop them. They just decided to chill. Shy Guy's Toy Box was so legit.

 

[MP8]

My favorite chapter for the first game is Chapter 3. The Forever Forest and Boo Mansion puzzles were cool and Bow was a an effective partner to gain.

Second game, Chapter 3 or 6. 3 is the fighting career thing in Glitzville which was so awesome. And you get to name your Yoshi. ^_^ 6 was awesome because life on the train reminded me of a vacation trip, not to mention Poshley Heights is a cool conception of a rich, quaint-like town.

Don't remember much from the third game. I think it was the 6th chapter with the samurais. Reminded me of a simple Martial Arts tournament setting.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Oh my god, Paper Mario is my favorite game series of all time.

My fav chapters:
64: Probably Lavalava Island, Yoshi's are amazing, I love fighting the fire enemies and the constant poison scare, and Raphael the Raven is a sexy beast. Boo's Mansion and Shy Guy's Toy Box are tied for a close second though.

TTYD: Twilight Town/Creepy Steeple 94% for Dooplis who is the best boss ever. Glitzville for second.

SPM: Obviously the Whoa Zone, there is no competition.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

No, **** SPM.

 

[Matador]

I didn't know SPM was bad, lol.

That's the only paper Mario I've played.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

**** you Matador. **** you. It isn't even Paper Mario.

 

[Coolwhip]

I've never played any mario rpg's......I think. Super mario 64 ftw!

 

[Famous]

Super Paper Mario was trash..It didn't even play the same as the original series..Spinoff ftl

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

Super Paper Mario was trash..It didn't even play the same as the original series..Spinoff ftl

Famous knows. HE KNOWS! In actuality, the game wasn't too bad. It just wasn't Paper Mario. It just didn't live up to the greatness of The Thousand Year Door.

I have yet to get to the handheld RPGs yet.

 

[Fire!]

Get the handhelds Xero, Partners in Time FTW

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

I actually did play Partners in Time, I lied. But I couldn't beat the final boss. :/

Seriously, I beat her. Then she got bigger and I was like "Oh..." then turned off the game and never played it again. Also, **** you and your 5,000 damage midscreen combo shenanigans.

At least it's not Makoto.

 

[Fire!]

Noel FTW.

I guess I shouldn't tell you my secondary, haha

 

[Matador]

**** you Matador. **** you. It isn't even Paper Mario.

Lmao, my Wii ****ed it up if that makes up for it XD