Mario Boards: General Discussion

[DtJ XeroXen]

And yet you own a Wii... XD

I got mine on launch date so I was unaware, also I don't buy Wii games anymore so I'm not supporting alot of companies.

 

[Inferno3044]

Well, don't get me wrong, I don't mean that successful series should necessarily make drastic, unnecessary changes just for the sake of change. What I mean is that a lot of games all follow the same general formulas and gameplay elements (If any of you watch Zero Punctuation, you'll have heard the phrases "Chest High Walls" and "Like God of War but" about 200000 times, and he has a point.).
Now obviously a FPS game is an FPS, and a fighting game is a fighting game, etc., but there can still be innovations, or even failing that, something that sets it apart as more than just another FPS.

Take the Halo series for example. While it had been done before to some extent, when the first Halo came out, it revolutionized several aspects of FPS games, such as vehicle usage (especially in multiplayer), limited number of weapons you can carry at once, regenerating health (Shown as shields in that game) and melee attacks. For a while after it came out, every game was pretty much copying it's example. Off the top of my head, there was a James Bond game using these mechanics in a blatant rip-off way, Timesplitters Future Perfect sacrificed some of the elements that had made TS2 so much fun in order to become a little more like the Halo franchise, I believe there was a MoH gamme doing something similar, but I can't recall precisely which.

Another good example, again in the FPS genre, is Gears of War. Now I haven't played this series much, so I may be wrong about this, but I believe that game pretty much revolutionized the 'chest high wall' cover combat that is so prevalent in 3rd person shooters today.

Team Fortress 2 also influenced the Battlefield Heroes game (which I'm not sure if it ever came out, or if it ever will?) to the point of near plagiarism.

It's kind of sad that every time someone has a good idea (and enough financial backing to make it a big thing. Poor Geist was such a good idea, and it will never see the light of online play. Oh why weren't you released on Xbox instead...) it gets copied into every game in existence.


Sorry, I'm kind of falling into a rant here, so I'll stop before I write out 7 pages, miss my bus, and get stranded downtown XD

I'm getting your point. Normally good things get copied a lot. I know in music (mainly jazz) people steal a lot of licks and lines and make tiny changes to make it their own. I guess that concept is used in game making. It's not that easy to make something completely new with everything that's been done. If anything in games they should bring back, it's making them more of a challenge. I have played Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy. In Super Mario Galaxy they basically lead you to where the star is. In Super Mario 64, you had to actually look around. I give Super Mario Galaxy 2 props for doing that with the green stars. Some of them you really had to look for to get or do some well timed jumps.

yo....sup a2?

LMAO!

 

[Matador]

I'm getting your point. Normally good things get copied a lot. I know in music (mainly jazz) people steal a lot of licks and lines and make tiny changes to make it their own. I guess that concept is used in game making. It's not that easy to make something completely new with everything that's been done. If anything in games they should bring back, it's making them more of a challenge. I have played Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy. In Super Mario Galaxy they basically lead you to where the star is. In Super Mario 64, you had to actually look around. I give Super Mario Galaxy 2 props for doing that with the green stars. Some of them you really had to look for to get or do some well timed jumps.

I can second this...I miss difficult games.

I thought it was just me and the fact that, over time, I've gotten better at games, so newer games seemed easier by comparison.

But I just played Contra.

That's definitely not the case, lmfao.

@Inferno: Command Mission is okay...it's like the Dragonball Budokai series...You'll love it if you're a big fan of DBZ. However, if you're looking for a solid fighting game (or RPG, in your case), then look somewhere else.

Repetitive and extremely ordinary gameplay, from what I remember.

@Fromundaman: <333333 YAHTZEE!

 

[Inferno3044]

That would explain why I like DBZ Budokai lol. I do really enjoy Megaman games so I might give it a try. Gotta find a cube copy of it or get a PS2 copy and play it during the summer.

 

[Matador]

That would explain why I like DBZ Budokai lol. I do really enjoy Megaman games so I might give it a try. Gotta find a cube copy of it or get a PS2 copy and play it during the summer.

Awesome, I hope you enjoy it!

It'll definitely keep you occupied for awhile. From what I remember, the game has a pretty good length.

 

[Coolwhip]

Heh. You guys want "difficult" games. Then download cave story or Lit.
In LIT, it's more about "thinking" when playing. Click here to see LIT

Oh & keep sake in your prayers everyone. http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=108607

 

[Juushichi]

Cave Story was fun. You should play Spelunky or I Wanna Be The Guy, too.

 

[Coolwhip]

Cave Story was fun. You should play Spelunky or I Wanna Be The Guy, too.

I haven't beat the whole game yet. I'm stuck on one stage were i have to fight
this huge robot tank on wheels. Shooting like a million bullets @ me.
Oh & i got the game on very hard mode.

 

[fromundaman]

So, I'm bringing the MVC talk in here instead.

@Matador: VJoe moves and more importantly falls way too fast in X-Factor, breaking some of his combos. On the plus side, his keepaway game gets better (Faster fall speed means faster Voomerang cancels), and air joe becomes ridiculous, but that's still just two moves at the expense of combos.

@Inferno: Hulk is actually really good. Super armor on his combo starters is stupid, and makes him really hard to punish. His invul punishing hyper is really good too. If he lands one good hit, he pretty much takes a character, and with X-factor his damage output becomes obscene, to the point where one hyper does near 1 mil damage.

yo....sup a2?

LOL!

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

And I like Hulk more than Sentinel especially with the health nerf, he has more survivability than Sentinel now, and can punish random projectile supers your opponent throws out with Gamma Crush, and he has one of the highest damage outputs in the game! (5-600k off of an armored normal light, with no meter) He can also make an excellent battery and you can just super-armor through people who try to press buttons. It's pretty fun.

 

[Inferno3044]

And I like Hulk more than Sentinel especially with the health nerf, he has more survivability than Sentinel now, and can punish random projectile supers your opponent throws out with Gamma Crush, and he has one of the highest damage outputs in the game! (5-600k off of an armored normal light, with no meter) He can also make an excellent battery and you can just super-armor through people who try to press buttons. It's pretty fun.

When did Sentinel get a health nerf? Also just from the few random Hulk's online, none of them seemed amazing. Yeah he has a very good damage output per hit but his combo potential doesn't seem that great. The Gamma Rush thing is good. Also Zero can counter random projectile supers with Genmu Zero (so says the MvC3 game guide I read at gamestop lol)

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Wifi Hulks are annoying as heck when they have the x-factor and gets away and wins w/ their lag.

 

[Coolwhip]

Ryu, Deadpool & [Insert character here] I'm 2good @ the game already. *Smiles*

Oh, btw. Watch mortal kombat legacy.

 

[Matador]

So hey...my PSN = Kmatador77

Who wanna see me in MvC3??

 

[vato_break]

matador browses vai phone

 

[Coolwhip]

Matador. What kind of phone you got? iphone?

 

[Jimmyfosho]

I use my iPod touch during school.

 

[Kanzaki]

it lets you know when posting by phone now x.o

 

[Matador]

Im on iPad, lol.

But yea, see me in MvC? My Spidey wants bloooood...

 

[vato_break]

cant buy a wii but, this guy gets a ipad?! .-.

 

[fromundaman]

Ryu, Deadpool & [Insert character here] I'm 2good @ the game already. *Smiles*

Oh, btw. Watch mortal kombat legacy.

Put Doom in there with hidden missiles, then just do jumping Light QCF with deadpool. It is the most annoying thing to get around, and probably even worse online.

@Inferno: Sent got his health nerfed in the first patch for the game. He's at 950000 HP now I think.
Also I'll let it slide this time, but one more mention of pineapple pizza and I may just have to perma-ban you. Maybe put a price on your head too.

@Xero: Hulk is good, no doubt. I need to learn where/when he has super armor. I keep trying to punish him and getting comboed for it. For now my Hulk strategy is camp the **** out of him. VOOMERANG! VOOMERANG!

 

[Matador]

cant buy a wii but, this guy gets a ipad?! .-.

Lol, it was an Xmas present.

@Fromundaman: I think he only has super armor during his standing H.

Given the range though, it's kinda dumb. Zoning him is much. More effective.

VOOMERANG! VOOMER-

SIX CANNON!

 

[Juushichi]

Goddamn. Everyone has an iPod/pad on the Mario boards.

...

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

When did Sentinel get a health nerf? Also just from the few random Hulk's online, none of them seemed amazing. Yeah he has a very good damage output per hit but his combo potential doesn't seem that great. The Gamma Rush thing is good. Also Zero can counter random projectile supers with Genmu Zero (so says the MvC3 game guide I read at gamestop lol)

Sentinel got a health nerf like a month ago. Went from 1.4 mil to 900k health. His combo potential is fantastic if you're not doing a generic magic series into super. I don't know if you read my "600k without a super", but that's like a fairly long, meter building, combo that you could tack a super on and it's an easy 800k, moreso with a DHC. Let's not forget about the pseudo-invincible assist of his. He's a very solid addition to any team that has trouble with rushdown for sure. He's not on my main team anymore, but I still really like playing him. And Matador, he has Super Armor on every move, just a ****-ton on standing H.

Also I need to learn Doom for my Zero/Deadpool/Doom team.

 

[Kanzaki]

I posted on my Android phone :[


Anywho, on the topic of cartridges:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/jerry-lawson-creator-of-cartridge-based-video-game-consoles-di/

 

[Inferno3044]

Sentinel got a health nerf like a month ago. Went from 1.4 mil to 900k health. His combo potential is fantastic if you're not doing a generic magic series into super. I don't know if you read my "600k without a super", but that's like a fairly long, meter building, combo that you could tack a super on and it's an easy 800k, moreso with a DHC. Let's not forget about the pseudo-invincible assist of his. He's a very solid addition to any team that has trouble with rushdown for sure. He's not on my main team anymore, but I still really like playing him. And Matador, he has Super Armor on every move, just a ****-ton on standing H.

Also I need to learn Doom for my Zero/Deadpool/Doom team.

If it was about a month ago then I probably never played with him having 1.4 mil. 1.4 mil with sentinel sounds super broken though. Maybe Hulk is good. I just haven't seen a good one.

I need to work on my Zero for my Zero/Wolverine/Sentinel team.

 

[Kanzaki]

If anybody wants to play, I have MvC3 on the 360. My team's Haggar/Doom/Dante.


I have no idea how to use Dante, I just use him for CapCom assist xD

And no, this is not me asking how to use Dante, don't really have a care for it >.>

 

[Javon89]

My team is Akuma, Zero, and Hulk.
I'd rather not have people play me cause I troll with the Shadow mode glitch.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

oh btw to the DBZ budokai talk earlier (late as **** but) Teen gohan da bess.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

If anybody wants to play, I have MvC3 on the 360. My team's Haggar/Doom/Dante.


I have no idea how to use Dante, I just use him for CapCom assist xD

And no, this is not me asking how to use Dante, don't really have a care for it >.>

Add me on XBL and I'll play you anytime you're on if you invite me.

 

[Kanzaki]

I'm rarely on you add me lol

 

[Inferno3044]

oh btw to the DBZ budokai talk earlier (late as **** but) Teen gohan da bess.

This guy gained some respect from me.

 

[Matador]

And Matador, he has Super Armor on every move, just a ****-ton on standing H.

Really? Thanks, that's good to know. I've only ever been ****ed over by the standing H super armor, so I just figured that was the case.

He doesn't have any on aerials though right? That's not possible is it?

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

Really? Thanks, that's good to know. I've only ever been ****ed over by the standing H super armor, so I just figured that was the case.

He doesn't have any on aerials though right? That's not possible is it?

It is and he does. Sentinel too with jumping C and D. I'm pretty sure anyway.

And I'm also rarely on Kanzaki, and I don't know your XBL name!

 

[Matador]

That's extremely dumb.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

Dumb, or sexy?

 

[Matador]

Dumb, I'm sure. Very, very dumb, lol.

Hulk can gargle...he's almost as easy-mode as Wolverine. If you couldn't zone the **** out of him, I'd call balancing shenanigans.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

Cover him with Doom assist and all of a sudden it's really hard to zone him. Or MODOK barrier assist but that's just hilarious. Lots of assists would work actually, just Doom assist is really good.

 

[Kanzaki]

360 name is supaT0NY <-- that's a zero.

When fighting Hulks, I just make sure they respect the pipe >:O

 

[Matt07]

@Fromundaman - "No you are not. It's part of why I haven't played a lot of the more popular titles. There are some really great games out there though. Have you ever played Psychonauts? If not, I strongly suggest it.
It also makes me sad how unoriginal most games are. Finding something genuinely original is rare."

I haven't tried Psychonauts yet, I'll definetly buy some more games, when I beat the rest of mine, haha.