Mario Boards: General Discussion

[JuxtaposeX]

:/ Calebyte needs to get back here...
Also, 9800 post GET!

 

[Coolwhip]

I think someone meatriding flama. xD

 

[2fast]

I think someone meatriding flama. xD

Lol naw, we have different styles. I just want to reach his level of Mario. Though I'm basing my analysis of him on that one video of him in the hall of fame vs. that falco, since that's the only video I've seen of him, and he looked really pro in that video.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

I need convincing words for me to not drop Mario. I'm starting get pissed at his performance and how MK is so much easier for me to kill with. It's really starting to bother me and it makes MK all the more tempting to play.

Play MK and win money, there's no reason to be playing with the desire to win with Mario, when you could just as easily do it with Metaknight.

Truefacts.

 

[Coolwhip]

Lol naw, we have different styles. I just want to reach his level of Mario. Though I'm basing my analysis of him on that one video of him in the hall of fame vs. that falco, since that's the only video I've seen of him, and he looked really pro in that video.

My recent post wasn't aim @ you 2fast. It was aim @ A2Z

 

[Kanzaki]

You just barely noticed the Meat Riding?

 

[vato_break]

i played 2fast on wifi awhile back, i thought he was pretty good



snake too good though

 

[JuxtaposeX]

vato, where are those videoes?

 

[fromundaman]

Ehhh... I meatride Flame. I'll willingly admit it. His Mario's too pro!

 

[vato_break]

ill up them but, i must admit my mario has fallen behind and others have caught up they'll be up sunday prob lol

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

inb4vatobreaksgettop64

 

[Matador]

i played 2fast on wifi awhile back, i thought he was pretty good



snake too good though

2Fast on offline >>>>> 2Fast on wifi

Like, moreso than anyone else I can think of. We had some amazzzzing matches at pound. Then rocked a few dubz friendlies as double Mario/double Luigi.

 

[2fast]

2Fast on offline >>>>> 2Fast on wifi

Like, moreso than anyone else I can think of.

^ this. I'm not even half as good online as I am offline (I sound so conceited xP). Your pretty good yourself Matador, and thanks for the kind words and we definatly rocked those dubz matches haha. And Vato, I will happily MM your snake offline if we ever meet. Snake is my favorite top tier matchup :D.

 

[vato_break]

he used to be mine too! until i met with havoks snake T_T

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Wtf? Vato, why does your Mario have 4 legs?

 

[z00ted]

Money match me at whobo 3!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298742

 

[HeroMystic]

So I went to a tourney today, and I saw Espy, Xyro, and Santi play in pools. I was hoping I would be able to play one of them but I wasn't lucky enough.

As for me, I didn't make it out of pools. The top three made it out, and I was #4.

My matches were:

-Zero Suit Samus (Lose. Seriously have no idea how to play this correctly)
-Snake (Lose. Those god damn mines -_-)
-Ice Climbers/ROB (Win. Both matches were easy. D-air > Ice Climbers; U-air > ROB)
-Ganondorf/Falco (Win. Ganondorf is juggle fodder, so easy. Player seemed inexperienced with Falco so easy win)
-Toon Link (Lose. How the **** do I play this match-up? Seriously.)

If I won one more match I would've been out of pools, so I was alittle sad, but I can tell I made a big improvement from my last tournament. Friendlies was pretty fun too. I swear, every Dedede I meet never makes the match up feel like a -3. Also, A2ZOMG is right. Dedede can't do much against full-hop B-airs.

Also played a Wolf player who showed me his B-air is kinda stupid to get around. What beats Wolf's B-air?

Overall though I had an enjoyable experience and I was surprised with how diverse Texas is with their character choices. I have to train a lot more against a variety of match-ups.

 

[A2ZOMG]

he used to be mine too! until i met with havoks snake T_T

I got to play Havok once WGF. He's pretty legit and fun to play against. I only wish I had more time to figure him out. Snake is stupid when you don't have him figured out.

@Hero: Powershielding, especially after crouching is really reliable against Wolf's B-air. His fall speed telegraphs the spacing required for it. If you're really desperate, you can challenge it with U-smash. Your B-air technically trades with his as well, but you don't want to do that too often.

Vs ZSS...pretty much shield a lot against her when in doubt. Shield > ZSS for the most part because she lacks good ways around it. Ducking is amazing against ZSS when she's in the air because she can only perfectly space N-air to hit crouchers. I'm not sure what else Mario can duck under. I just know she has a lot of high hitting moves.

Vs Toon Link...if you know how to play against Samus, you're halfway there. Toon Link requires you to be exceedingly patient. Caping his projectiles is usually a decent idea. Catching Bombs is good. Ducking and powershielding the Z-air I think should be a good idea, but I haven't seen that perfected. If he recovers low I'd try to edgeguard him with invincible ledgedrop N-air/U-air or something like that. Also keep in mind he has a 20/22 spotdodge and he's super easy for Mario to juggle if he lets himself get U-aired at low percents.

 

[Matador]

Only thing we can do to Bair is powershield and run in.

Everything else is really just dependent on them screwing up spacing.

Vs ZSS is extremely reliant on fireballs.

 

[A2ZOMG]

It could be worse at least. Wolf's B-air has a very linear hitbox that doesn't last long, coupled by the fact that he's a fastfaller. Powershielding his B-air is not unreasonably hard to do consistently.

 

[2fast]

I'm salty. Went to a tourney today, got bracket ***** with omni and than my lack knowledge on how to battle diddys in losers. So...much...salt.

 

[HeroMystic]

Fought the best Diddy in San Antonio in a friendly and got wrecked a few times until I remembered how to fight him correctly.

This is one of the few match-ups where staying defensive is fruitless. You have to be as active as Diddy is, and not allow him to control the stage. Make good use of Cape Jump (you'll avoid naners that way) and stay aggressive. It's best to control the bananas and use it against him but if you're not confident in that area then just isolate them from him by throwing them in the air or keeping them at the edge of the stage so he can't just reproduce them.

 

[Calebyte]

Hi Marios, just checking in. Wanted you to know that I'm still alive. Work has been killing me a lot lately. Sorry I haven't been around much, but at least you've got fromundaman. I'll probably still be inactive for a month or so. Trying to balance out my adult life with Smash, and it's been pretty tough lately. Hopefully I'll be less scarce around here soon. If you need anything let me know.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Caleb: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298884

=/

 

[Calebyte]

Well in that case I'll pop in more. It just sucks because I know I'm leaving a lot of threads and stuff unfinished, but I just don't have the time to maintain them. I can least stick around and keep an eye on things tho.

 

[hippiedude92]

l love u caleb.


just saying

hero do work son loooool

MARIOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[fromundaman]

Wait Mario can duck under 4/5 of ZSS' aerials? I need to crouch more.

2Fast on offline >>>>> 2Fast on wifi

Like, moreso than anyone else I can think of. We had some amazzzzing matches at pound. Then rocked a few dubz friendlies as double Mario/double Luigi.

Heh, I know how that goes. I can say there's a huge difference between my online and offline Mario, but instead of being good like 2fast, it's more like my Mario is unusable online and only decent offline XD

 

[HeroMystic]

hero do work son loooool

MARIOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I will. College is starting to be a douche giving me essays to do, but I have three weeks til the next local tourney anyway (can't go to WHOBO).

Also, does anyone have, or can find a badass wallpaper of Mario? I wanted to make a MU chart for the index.

 

[Matador]

Heh, I know how that goes. I can say there's a huge difference between my online and offline Mario, but instead of being good like 2fast, it's more like my Mario is unusable online and only decent offline XD

I just abuse the hell out of fireballs online when I'm going for wins. They're so OP on wifi.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

That's wut you do w/ Mario, Matador, spam dem on wifi, it rly works, players dont even jab it, they just take it.

 

[Inferno3044]

2fast - if you really wanna get good main a better character. **** what tier haters say. You actually become a better player by using a better character most of the time. You can still use Mario for fun but to do well in tourney you should use a better character.

 

[vato_break]

Wtf? Vato, why does your Mario have 4 legs?

My mario is so quick it appears like he has four legs!

 

[A2ZOMG]

2fast - if you really wanna get good main a better character. **** what tier haters say. You actually become a better player by using a better character most of the time. You can still use Mario for fun but to do well in tourney you should use a better character.

I dunno, playing Ganon I think has unique benefits. Ganon is good at teaching you fundamental punish strategies. He's far more useful than most other characters in this department.

Mostly though, it doesn't matter who you pick unless you're trying to win. If you're trying to personally improve, sticking to at least two characters is the best way to improve.

 

[Inferno3044]

Well yeah. A lot of characters can teach you different things in this game, but I think actually learning a better character makes you better. Probably because you're using a better character XD

 

[Matador]

Well yeah. A lot of characters can teach you different things in this game, but I think actually learning a better character makes you better. Probably because you're using a better character XD

It definitely helps you focus less on the nuances of your character and more on how to play the game.

Simple stuff like reading rolls and baiting airdodges is more of a chore with low tier characters because options are generally more limited. If you always know that your response to certain moves won't get shafted by your character's suckiness, it helps you as a player more in the long run.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I have to disagree. Learning Ganondorf is by far more useful than learning most high tiers if you want to learn how to capitalize effectively, which in my opinion is one of the most common problems many low level players have. Ganondorf, despite all things he's terrible at, is pretty much the best character in the game at capitalizing on a disadvantageous position. He can autobait airdodges in the right positions, he can land trap extremely reliably, and his edgeguarding is super good but requires skill and decent spacing to do effectively.

His tools are also EXTREMELY good at punishing on a bait. Like, Ganon's Dash Attack, F-air, D-air, and F-smash are seriously good moves that other characters would kill to have due to their unique punishing utility (Mario with Ganon's Dash Attack = top tier). In all things related to capitalizing effectively, Ganondorf teaches you this extremely well.

Ganondorf also is not hard to pick up, and the benefits to buffering with him are extremely obvious. For the purposes of learning basics in Brawl, Ganondorf is a good character.

I think Snake is really bad for learning the game at a low level, because a lot of his stuff just works too automatically, and just requires your opponent to just screw up more than it requires you to know what you're doing. His options especially for punishing are limited to pretty specific things for the most part, so Snake doesn't really introduce you to very much.

Like, I started this game off with G&W, Mario, and Ganondorf. I firmly believe I learned the most about Brawl's fundamentals by learning Ganondorf.

Also, I believe learning Link is rewarding. Link is bad, but getting competent with him teaches you the vast majority of all things technical in that the benefits to being technical with Link are fairly obvious and eye opening.

 

[Matador]

Oh yeah, Snake is a terrible character to start out with...

When I made my post, I was actually thinking about MK.

The way I figure it, if I'm just learning a game, then I will respond better to choices that I make that have been consistently working. It's no use if I'm making good decisions but my reactions are getting stuffed cuz my character sucks.

I'm an extremely habitual player though. I don't like to think too much about what I'm doing while I'm playing...but rather focusing on the opponent.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Ganondorf isn't hard to do well with at a low level because he rewards you immensely for capitalizing correctly. If you're learning how to play, he's not a bad character to pick up. He does require you to have SOME technical skill, but it's technical skill that I believe should be universally known at a beginner level. He benefits FAR more obviously from learning the basic technical nuances from Brawl than any other character in the game imo. Things like iDA, buffering, and realizing that shield drop is 7 frames are best absorbed through a character like Ganon where the difference between knowing and not knowing those details is extremely obvious.

Also, Ganondorf benefits little from shieldgrabbing and spotdodging. Spotdodging in particular really shouldn't be used much in high level play, so essentially not having that option prevents you from acquiring that as a bad habit if you start with Ganon. And while shieldgrabbing is important for everyone , not getting grab baited by good spacing is more important (and it something I feel shouldn't happen much in high level play), and this is of course especially crucial to learn with Ganon.

Off topic, but I've been saying forever that SSBM is the reason why all low level players roll. It's not hard to see why when you realize that shield drop is 14 frames in that game, which is the ONE thing I do not like about the game (I would prefer shield drop to be 10 frames, that way you would actually have the ability to reasonably tilt/Jab out of shield).

 

[HeroMystic]

Mario in particular has no real exploit unlike just about every other character in the game, so he's definitely a good character learn the basics of competitive Brawl with.

Sonic in particular is a great character to use if you wanna improve on how to read your opponent, since most his metagame is based on that.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I think Mario is too technical in Brawl to be a good recommendation for beginner level players. He's much better for beginners in Melee though. Mario in Melee imo is easier to pick up than Mario in Brawl. Simple combos with Mario actually are really good in Melee, while often really iffy in Brawl. Basic edgeguarding tricks with Mario are also much less complicated to do in Melee than in Brawl. Also spacing with Mario in Melee on a low level is easier than in Brawl, given his U-tilt and F-tilt I believe have slightly more horizontal range, and his F-smash is borderline spammable for spacing.