$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$
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Rainbow sprinkles, I lol'd @ Hippie
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Mario Boards: General Discussion
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Calebyte
Smash Lord
Awesome! Yeah, I'd be more into Smash too if there were more people around here who played a lot.
Yeah, Xero almost took first seed away from Lain, it was pretty crazy. But then he got grabbed.Matador said:
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Gotta camp them platforms then **** while they're separate
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBgBfds4hU4
my mario looks so weird, from 1 year ago loool
but the wall tech at 2:04
get the **** at me son
my mario looks so weird, from 1 year ago loool
but the wall tech at 2:04
get the **** at me son
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Lolololol. I killed Lain once in like 20 seconds. Then I ***** Nana later. Then I got grabbed. :/
Stupid grabs!
Stupid grabs!
Calebyte
Smash Lord
Hippiedude I like your avater, it makes the boards look a little nicer.
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
this is why 4chan is ****ing godlike <3
Coolwhip
Smash Champion
< A flameleon fan & maybe the next flameleon.
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
So I distinctly remember someone saying Mario ***** Yoshi and that fireballs shut Yoshi down... how exactly does that work? I played Hadesblade this weekend and he ***** my Mario no lube. Kirby's supposed to be 'meh' with Yoshi, but I did a lot better with him. How do you play the MU?
Calebyte
Smash Lord
Well I mean, Hadesblade is like the Boss of Yoshi mains. He's an amazing player period. Yoshi gives me trouble too, actually. I don't really know the MU that well.
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I dunno, I just think being extremely patient against Yoshi shuts him down completely. He's a very bait-oriented character, and Mario easily has the tools to be very difficult for Yoshi to bait, and the threat of fireballs alone accomplishes that. And Mario can punish Yoshi for approaching really hard, not to mention kill him earlier than he can kill Mario.
Also shield kinda ***** Yoshi in two ways. His own shield sucks against pressure (and you can autoJab his spotdodge), and his options for actually bypassing shield are limited due to his telegraphed grabs, and his approaches generally aren't very safe.
Also shield kinda ***** Yoshi in two ways. His own shield sucks against pressure (and you can autoJab his spotdodge), and his options for actually bypassing shield are limited due to his telegraphed grabs, and his approaches generally aren't very safe.
That's not true A2Z. I use Mario only in Low Tiers so I know lots of LT match-ups really well by now and Yoshi in particular [it's possibly the LT match-up I know best and I used to practice it with a REALLY good Yoshi main named Slice]. It's a difficult match-up for both characters but if it's in Marios favour then it's not by much.
How are his grabs telegraphed? A smart Yoshi has a very unpredictable grab game because of his neutral B and the range of his grounded grabs. He can grab you out of many situations and the only thing you can reliably do against it is to keep the hitbox of a fireball before you but even then you have to do it right. Grounded fireballs are the way to go imo [if you use lots of aerial fireballs - and you have to use lots of fireballs - he can trade with Egg Toss and the damage output is in his favour] mixed up with utilt and ftilt to cover most of his approaches. If you get a chance to approach jab mix-ups and dair [either retreating or crossover] are legit but none of these moves outpower Yoshi's options. It's an even match-up imo
Edit: I might get to play Slice again before October. Unless he's rusty / sucks now I'll try to get some vids saved. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong >_<
How are his grabs telegraphed? A smart Yoshi has a very unpredictable grab game because of his neutral B and the range of his grounded grabs. He can grab you out of many situations and the only thing you can reliably do against it is to keep the hitbox of a fireball before you but even then you have to do it right. Grounded fireballs are the way to go imo [if you use lots of aerial fireballs - and you have to use lots of fireballs - he can trade with Egg Toss and the damage output is in his favour] mixed up with utilt and ftilt to cover most of his approaches. If you get a chance to approach jab mix-ups and dair [either retreating or crossover] are legit but none of these moves outpower Yoshi's options. It's an even match-up imo
Edit: I might get to play Slice again before October. Unless he's rusty / sucks now I'll try to get some vids saved. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong >_<
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His grabs all have reactable startup, and should really only be grabbing you if you're in a bad position. Going back to the point that Yoshi is very bait oriented.
And I agree Mario mains don't use grounded fireballs enough in this matchup.
Approaching Yoshi is kinda hard, except that it's all a bait strategy and has little actual threat if you're never trying to approach him unnecessarily. He can counter approaches with his Smashes and Pivot grab fairly well, but he should really never be able to do those with impunity due to fireballs. If he's trying to space tilts and Jabs, trading with aerials is usually in your favor.
The main thing that Mario has over Yoshi is significantly better Smashes. But I consider it a pretty big advantage since while they kinda have the same uses as Yoshi's Smashes, they do their job better. Especially when it comes to killing and safety. Yoshi doesn't have as good of answers for really significantly punishing Mario's Smashes.
And I agree Mario mains don't use grounded fireballs enough in this matchup.
Approaching Yoshi is kinda hard, except that it's all a bait strategy and has little actual threat if you're never trying to approach him unnecessarily. He can counter approaches with his Smashes and Pivot grab fairly well, but he should really never be able to do those with impunity due to fireballs. If he's trying to space tilts and Jabs, trading with aerials is usually in your favor.
The main thing that Mario has over Yoshi is significantly better Smashes. But I consider it a pretty big advantage since while they kinda have the same uses as Yoshi's Smashes, they do their job better. Especially when it comes to killing and safety. Yoshi doesn't have as good of answers for really significantly punishing Mario's Smashes.
vato_break
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Yoshi on wifi is a pain in the butt. =P
DtJ XeroXen
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I'ma show Hadesblades what's up. There can only be one best Indiana low tier! >:J
vato_break
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got my money xero! reverse cape>yoshi's camping btw. So inessence Mario's camping>yoshi's. What approaches does yoshi have on mario?
Inferno3044
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Fireballs don't **** Yoshi. I realized that was wrong. I probably have more Yoshi experience than most of the other Mario's because Deltacod lives about 15 minutes away and I've played him a lot. Hit me up on AIM and I'll help you out.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
They're both quite even, actually.
Nah son, I'm the Boss of Yoshi mains.
Ooooooooooooo. Slice is pretty good, actually. I haven't heard from him in forever.
Yup. You should also note that, if you're aerial fireballing at mid/close range, we can just run in after you jump and Usmash you. Even if you cape stall/air dodge, the best you'll be doing to punish is Nair/Bair, which will probably be maaaaaaaaad stale.
I'll try to get some vs. Inferno next I see him. =P
This deserves its own section of laughs.
And so does this.
$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$
Smash Lord
I haven't played Hadesblade in months.
Calebyte
Smash Lord
Sorry Hippie, but LIGHTS is already a goddess without the help of 4chan.
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
I love this board so much now!
vato_break
Smash Master
i'm inappropriate
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Not if she was only into Mario mains you wouldn't.
vato_break
Smash Master
ill be warping through all her pipes
Calebyte
Smash Lord
Watch her music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7_ucPlzaiA
$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$
Smash Lord
loooooooooool@Vato, u got dat son, go get eet.
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
Hmmm... I will have rather rare access to a computer for extended periods of time tonight, so I'll do that. From what I've read though, I think Yoshi is going to be one of those MUs I pull Wolf out for.
Also, wtf Hadesblade. Yoshi shouldn't be that good!
I lol'd!
Coolwhip
Smash Champion
Smashboards is too good.
Kanzaki
Smash Champion
I hate fighting Yoshi's. Good thing those barely exist.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Just so you know, mario's up b (aside from the first hit) always hits yoshi out of his DJ armor.
Coolwhip
Smash Champion
*Looks up @ Z'zgashi's post*
Thanks for the tip broski.
Thanks for the tip broski.
Famous
Smash Champion
MOst multi-hit moves hits Yoshi out of DJ...even Mario's Dair
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Lol Wolf.
Uhhhhh. Not so true...
Although Mario does beat Yoshi's armor pretty well, not gonna lie. It's pretty gay.
Matt07
Smash Master
Matador, your not on my friends list yet, add meGood ****
Matt! I'm coming 4 u nao!
!Can't wait for Terran to be nerfed so I won't feel so bad playing using them xD.
bigman40
Smash Master
That'll never happen since most people don't care about Yoshi mains and hate Yoshi as a character.
thegreatkazoo
Smash Master
Yay!
This.
I'm loving the hyper combo
just laid out. Oh yeah, Uber--you definitely did not put the
boards best interest with your Tier List ideas. The OTL crew--let's just say we had a helluva time with that.For those of your who didn't see it, I'll set it up for you: Mario is C tier.
Enough said.