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King DDD

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[19:00] <Infin> *Ahem*
[19:00] <Infin> Good evening ladycarios and lordcarios.
[19:00] <Infin> And those... in between.
[19:00] <hichez> Lets start off with some general though
[19:01] <hichez> *thoughts
[19:01] <Infin> Today we are discussing the King Dedede MU.
[19:01] <Red_Ryu> Don't get grabbed
[19:01] <hichez> Red Ryu has the right idea
[19:01] <Infin> What are your general thoughts when "GO!" is announced.
[19:02] <Red_Ryu> charge AS and shield the waddle dee he throws at you if they stay predictable
[19:02] <Infin> What if its an aggro player like Atomsk?
[19:02] <hichez> Platforms help in this matchup considerably
[19:03] <Bedfox> Provided the D3 doesn't have good Utilt timing...?
[19:03] <Red_Ryu> then charge Aura sphere and react accordingly
[19:03] <Red_Ryu> if he rushed instead of a waddle dee
[19:03] <Red_Ryu> throw
[19:03] <Infin> AS?
[19:03] <Bedfox> Or is the simple answer there just to not be on them at kill percent.
[19:03] <Red_Ryu> Aura Sphere
[19:03] <Infin> Then what if it gets powershielded?
[19:04] <Red_Ryu> don't throw it
[19:04] <Red_Ryu> just charge it to get it ready
[19:04] <Infin> D3's running at you, what do you do?
[19:04] <hichez> Generally you don't want to approach DDD while he on the ground so if he rushed you wait until he attacks then punish
[19:04] <Infin> There we go.
[19:04] <flamewavekei> run away
[19:04] <flamewavekei> there
[19:04] <flamewavekei> thats the MU
[19:04] <Infin> Thank you.
[19:05] <Red_Ryu> If DDD runs at you
[19:05] <Red_Ryu> don't panic
[19:05] <Red_Ryu> and think what is he going to do
[19:05] <Red_Ryu> Dash grab/sheild
[19:05] <hichez> If DDD runs at you don't shield
[19:05] <Infin> Make sure you always carefully use your second jump.
[19:05] <Infin> Never use it too early.
[19:06] <Bedfox> I HAVE A QUESTION
[19:06] <hichez> ask
[19:06] <Bedfox> What does your aura have to be like for a fully charging AS to prevent his grab?
[19:07] <hichez> he can grab you either way
[19:07] <Infin> Remember your options out of a charging AS.
[19:07] <Infin> ASC jump, fire, roll.
[19:07] <Infin> Don't be silly like me and roll towards D3 a lot.
[19:08] <Bedfox> I woul've thought if it was super large it might be out of his range. And yeah, you can jump out and.../or shoot
[19:08] <Bedfox> lol
[19:08] <hichez> If you are charging in the air you would shield cancel to FP if the situation allows you to
[19:08] <hichez> *could
[19:08] <Infin> Wouldn't his shield grab come out quicker?
[19:09] <Red_Ryu> you could roll at him as a mix up if he is in the air
[19:09] <hichez> not if it on frame 1
[19:09] <Red_Ryu> but remember
[19:09] <Red_Ryu> it is a mix-up don't rely on it as an approach
[19:09] <Infin> ASC doesn't cancel into a 1 frame Force Palm.
[19:09] <Bedfox> If he saw it coming then he'd be faster. Yeah, what Ryu said.
[19:09] <hichez> yeah your right infin
[19:09] <hichez> mybad
[19:09] <Infin> You still gotta go through 8 frames of startup then have to touch the ground on frame 9.
[19:10] <Red_Ryu> unless you do it while landing
[19:10] <Red_Ryu> then it comes out frame 1
[19:10] <Red_Ryu> if you do it right
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[19:10] <Infin> You still go through 8 frames.
[19:10] <Red_Ryu> you do?
[19:10] <Infin> Yes
[19:11] <Red_Ryu> I thought when doing the landing Force palm trick it grabbed on frame 1
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[19:11] <Infin> No
[19:11] <DDisciple> yooo
[19:11] <DDisciple> I'm gonna be lurking
[19:11] <Infin> You still have to go through 8 frames before it initates.
[19:11] <Red_Ryu> hi disciple
[19:11] <Red_Ryu> ah ok
[19:11] <Infin> Think...
[19:12] <Infin> Falco's silent laser distance off the ground.
[19:12] <Red_Ryu> I'll use it as a situational command grab if DDD gets sheild happy
[19:12] <Infin> Right.
[19:12] <hichez> So I think what troubling with this matchup is approaching
[19:12] <hichez> Whats our options
[19:12] <Infin> You might want to do an empty FAir to land behind him with FP.
[19:12] <Infin> Well
[19:13] <Infin> With Dedede and Snake...
[19:13] <Infin> If you whittle away their shields....
[19:13] <Infin> There's nothing they can do to stop you from approaching.
[19:13] <Red_Ryu> you can fair and jump back
[19:13] <hichez> Well DDD can out camp lucario so I don't think that is really an option
[19:13] <Red_Ryu> to poke
[19:14] <Red_Ryu> uhh not really
[19:14] <Red_Ryu> if either gets the lead
[19:14] <Red_Ryu> they will approach the other
[19:14] <Infin> Waddles are either your friend or your enemy.
[19:14] <Infin> If they just spam them...
[19:14] <Infin> Hey free move refreshment, no?
[19:14] <Red_Ryu> that works
[19:14] <hichez> exactly
[19:15] <hichez> Well it comes down to the fact of we have to wait until DDD makes a mistake unless I am missing something
[19:15] <Red_Ryu> Really Lucario can play keep away if he gets the lead
[19:16] <Red_Ryu> maybe a vid could help
[19:16] <Red_Ryu> Junebug is really good at the MU
[19:16] <Red_Ryu> beat Atmosk
[19:16] <Red_Ryu> and I think CO18
[19:16] <Red_Ryu> or did he?
[19:16] <Infin> Remember fresh BAir does 13% sweet spot
[19:16] <Infin> Sour 10%.
[19:17] <hichez> ok
[19:17] <Red_Ryu> also
[19:17] <Infin> 21% Aura Spheres'll always beat it.
[19:17] <hichez> We need a DDD player in here
[19:17] <DDisciple> look up Junebug vs Atomsk
[19:17] <DDisciple> or any of Zucco's matches
[19:17] <DDisciple> even Stauffy has two recent ones
[19:17] <Red_Ryu> they play the MU well
[19:17] <Red_Ryu> wait
[19:17] <flamewavekei> Zucco
[19:17] <Red_Ryu> Stauffy?
[19:17] <flamewavekei> June
[19:17] <flamewavekei> Stauffy
[19:17] <flamewavekei> All good at the DDD MU
[19:17] <Red_Ryu> I thought he quit?
[19:17] <flamewavekei> I'm decent at it
[19:17] <flamewavekei> but I kinda gave up
[19:18] <hichez> why
[19:18] <DDisciple> Trela too
[19:18] <flamewavekei> he went to the san diego tournament
[19:18] <flamewavekei> because Lee Martin was there
[19:18] <Red_Ryu> oh
[19:18] <Red_Ryu> anyways as we know DDD has that new gay Usmash out of Dthrow on us
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[19:19] <Autumn> is that so
[19:19] <Red_Ryu> yeah
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[19:19] <Red_Ryu> if he buffers the Usmash
[19:19] <Espy> It's poetry in motion, really.
[19:19] <Red_Ryu> with a jump cancel
[19:19] <Autumn> oh, brawl
[19:19] <Autumn> boring as
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[19:19] <hichez> lol
[19:19] <Red_Ryu> he gets a free Usmash
[19:19] <flamewavekei> I have informed coney that we are discussing
[19:19] <Infin> Does it always work even on uneven stages?
[19:20] <flamewavekei> free upsmash is gay
[19:20] <flamewavekei> I'm not sure
[19:20] <flamewavekei> It seems to work
[19:20] <flamewavekei> I get it to work
[19:20] <hichez> what is DDD worst stage
[19:20] <flamewavekei> beef gets it to work
[19:20] <flamewavekei> T_T
[19:20] <Infin> Lylat and YI may be a saving grace....
[19:20] <flamewavekei> Brinstar
[19:20] <flamewavekei> nope
[19:20] <flamewavekei> it works most of the time
[19:20] <Espy> ^
[19:20] <flamewavekei> I always try to DI down and shield
[19:20] <flamewavekei> or DI up and jump
[19:21] <Espy> at what percentage does it usually KO lucario?
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[19:21] <flamewavekei> 120
[19:21] <Red_Ryu> If japes is legal
[19:21] <Red_Ryu> that is the best stgae for us imo
[19:21] <flamewavekei> DDD is fine on japes
[19:21] <flamewavekei> but we can live
[19:21] <Espy> Mmk, I was bettin' around that area.
[19:21] <Red_Ryu> he do better
[19:21] <flamewavekei> forever even with the upsmash thing
[19:21] <Infin> I wouldn't take a D3 there...
[19:21] <flamewavekei> DDD controls the middle so well though..
[19:21] <flamewavekei> <_<
[19:21] <Red_Ryu> is that any different from SV?
[19:21] <hichez> Lucario doesn't have to go to the middle on Japes though
[19:22] <Infin> Remember
[19:22] <Espy> He does if he's losing percentage-wise
[19:22] <Infin> If both of the Waddles are in hitsun.
[19:22] <Infin> D3 cannot pull out another.
[19:22] <hichez> Even if lucario is losing percentage wise you could probally bait an approach
[19:22] <flamewavekei> myth
[19:22] <Ares> utilt is good for hitting waddles cuz it keeps them alive but in the air
[19:22] <flamewavekei> call me
[19:22] <flamewavekei> I need to find my phone
[19:22] <flamewavekei> :x
[19:23] <Infin> >.>
[19:23] <Red_Ryu> Coney thinks we're being whiny about this MU
[19:23] <Red_Ryu> and it's not that bad
[19:23] <Espy> Coney does that with plenty of Dedede's advantageous MUs
[19:23] <Infin> So basically.
[19:24] <Red_Ryu> he does?
[19:24] <Infin> So far...
[19:24] <Espy> sorta
[19:24] <Infin> Platform camp, use Waddles for move refreshment if hey spam it...
[19:24] <Infin> What stages would be good for us?
[19:24] <Ares> Maybe lylat?
[19:25] <Infin> What stages to avoid?
[19:25] <hichez> I would say YI
[19:25] <hichez> FD
[19:25] <Espy> Umm...would Rainbow Cruise be okay?
[19:25] <Infin> What about using Smashville for the moving platform.
[19:25] <Espy> I'd think it'd be a hit or miss.
[19:25] <Infin> Ex. Platform camping, wheeeee.
[19:25] <Infin> Personally, I don't like RC.
[19:26] <Red_Ryu> I don't like it
[19:26] <hichez> I have seen plenty of lucarios go Frigate and do alright
[19:26] <Infin> BAir wall all day and well that infinite really limits us to like ugh.
[19:26] <Red_Ryu> don't go frigate
[19:26] <Red_Ryu> I also hate Delfino
[19:26] <Red_Ryu> so many walls and walkoff
[19:26] <Infin> Yet we can't ban them all
[19:27] <Red_Ryu> I'd bad Delfino
[19:27] <Red_Ryu> imo
[19:27] <Red_Ryu> ban*
[19:27] <Infin> And deal with D3 on RC?
[19:27] <Red_Ryu> yes
[19:27] <Espy> You'd also have to be wary of Castle Siege
[19:27] <Red_Ryu> I think Siege is more do able
[19:27] <Infin> The middle transformation, abut...
[19:27] <Espy> Oh, most definitely, RR
[19:27] <Infin> We can platform camp anyway.
[19:27] <Red_Ryu> still
[19:27] <flamewavekei> Siege, SV
[19:27] <Red_Ryu> we should be careful of the
[19:27] <flamewavekei> Battlefield
[19:27] <Espy> The platforms help, but I'm not solely talking about the second phase.
[19:27] <flamewavekei> Frigate
[19:27] <flamewavekei> is really good
[19:28] <hichez> I would ban FD
[19:28] <Red_Ryu> Atmosk cps it a lot against Succo
[19:28] <Espy> What about the concern with the inbetween transitions on Siege?
[19:28] <flamewavekei> Siege's only bad spot 2nd
[19:28] <flamewavekei> and even then
[19:28] <flamewavekei> we can run away from DDD there
[19:28] <flamewavekei> EASY
[19:28] <Infin> Run away? :x
[19:28] <Red_Ryu> due
[19:28] <Red_Ryu> if he could stay on the second part with the lead
[19:28] <Red_Ryu> we could run
[19:28] <Red_Ryu> but
[19:28] <Red_Ryu> he need to be careful
[19:29] <Espy> Does the third phase disrupt Dedede's chaingrab on Lucario, or is it still doable?
[19:29] <Red_Ryu> to be Cruise and Delfino are my worries
[19:29] <Red_Ryu> stage wise
[19:29] <flamewavekei> its still doable
[19:29] <hichez> no
[19:29] <hichez> Battlefield is good if you like it because the stage is really short
[19:29] <flamewavekei> but it makes them mess up more
[19:29] <Espy> Alrighty
[19:29] <Infin> So...
[19:29] <Infin> Bans: RC, Delfino
[19:30] <hichez> RC or lylat ryu?
[19:30] <Infin> CP: Lylat, BF, YI
[19:30] <Red_Ryu> RC or Delfino
[19:30] <Red_Ryu> Lylat is fine imo
[19:30] <Espy> Is Brinstar a good CP?
[19:30] <Red_Ryu> more and more I think about it
[19:30] <hichez> Why wouldn't you ban FD? Delfino isn't that bad is it?
[19:30] <Red_Ryu> I think Cruise is Lucario's worst stage
[19:30] <Red_Ryu> overall
[19:30] <Ares> delfino has walkoffs and walls
[19:30] <Red_Ryu> ^this
[19:31] <Red_Ryu> that is far worse than lack of platforms
[19:31] <Ares> ^
[19:31] <Infin> Lylat is a fine stage for Lucario
[19:31] <Ares>
[19:31] <hichez> But on delfino there are plently of plays to aviod them
[19:31] <Infin> Higher ceiling means Lucario lives longer.
[19:31] <Red_Ryu> that as well
[19:31] <Infin> Messes with non bendable recoveries, etc.
[19:31] <Ares> stage messes with ddd's recovery when it turns
[19:31] <Espy> hichez, there is a formation on Delfino that has no method of avoiding walk off chaingrabs
[19:31] <Espy> aside from just jumping and running away, I mean.
[19:31] <Red_Ryu> yeah there is a flat walkoff part
[19:32] <Red_Ryu> with no platforms
[19:32] <Red_Ryu> or anything
[19:32] <Espy> The staircase formation.
[19:32] <Infin> Anyone know how long each delfino transformation lasts?
[19:32] <Espy> and then there is that one phase that has the level end incredibly close to the horizontal blast zones.
[19:32] <Infin> Thankfully we can wall cling.
[19:33] <Ares> i think its agreed delfino should b banned
[19:33] <Red_Ryu> or Cruise
[19:33] <Red_Ryu> it depends
[19:33] <Infin> Or Halberd.
[19:33] <Red_Ryu> why Halberd?
[19:33] <Ares> cruise has 2 spots that have walls right? dont last very long
[19:33] <Infin> Low ceiling.
[19:33] <Espy> Cruise also has a walk off on the final stretch before returning to the ship.
[19:33] <Red_Ryu> I guess that is a point
[19:33] <Red_Ryu> brb
[19:34] <Espy> and it has three wall "infinites", actually.
[19:34] <hichez> Cruise is all about how well you know the stage you can go under it and wall cling if you really have to
[19:34] <Ares> oh , forgot about that part
[19:34] <Espy> The right side of the ship, the corner after the pendulum swing, and the corner immediately before returning to the ship.
[19:34] <hichez> On cruise there are platforms on the walk off edges part
[19:35] <Infin> There's many opportunities for D3 to just grab and either infinite you or get you trapped in a walk off.
[19:35] <hichez> After hearing the argument I would say that you should ban Delfino if you know RC really well
[19:35] <Infin> Lucario can somewhat shark on Delfino.
[19:36] <Ares> only on the part that doesnt have walkoffs/walls lol..the floating platform..
[19:36] <Espy> Can't Dedede dair?
[19:36] <Infin> Yes.
[19:36] <Espy> or just, you know, jump?
[19:36] <Infin> But it has quite a bit of landing lag.
[19:36] <Espy> or even spotdodge?
[19:37] <Infin> True
[19:37] <Infin> But options are options, right?
[19:37] <Espy> mm
[19:37] <Ares> thats like saying take ICs to FD cuz u can just jump
[19:37] <Ares> to avoid grab...
[19:38] <hichez> Well it's not realistic to avoid every grab from DDD and you won't.
[19:38] <Infin> Watch out for the distance of D3's pivot grab.
[19:38] <Bedfox> Arg, missed something. I wanted to ask how Luc's Bair would do against fighting D3 Bair walls, since Luc's would slightly outrange it if they were both fully tippering...but I figure you're gonna say D3's just don't let that happen or something?
[19:38] <DDisciple> My input on this about Lucario vs D3 on Delfino
[19:39] <DDisciple> Sharking is meh on that stage. I rather be above him, hopping from platform to platform. Until we can get on the ground
[19:39] <DDisciple> If we really have to shark, I would rather shoot aura spheres through the stage, to make him jump so I can get to the other side safely
[19:39] <hichez> Lucario doesn't really need the ground in the MU other than to get Fsmash
[19:39] <hichez> Or kill in general
[19:40] <Infin> Yeah I wouldn't try to shark more than once or twice throughout the whole game.
[19:40] <hichez> Most of the damage will be done in the air or with AS
[19:40] <DDisciple> unless you can get grabs really well, you really want the ground
[19:40] <Infin> Unless if they are dum and always fall for it.
[19:40] <hichez> why would we depend on grabbing DDD?
[19:40] <Infin> If we grab D3 we get him in the air.
[19:40] <Ares> uthrow followups
[19:41] <hichez> Yeah I wouldn't depend on it though
[19:41] <Infin> I personally don't like Uthrough much unless if its Fox/Wolf.
[19:41] <Infin> throw*
[19:41] <Ares> i used to do dthrow all the time, but starting to uthrow
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[19:41] <hichez> Same
[19:41] <DDisciple> the follow ups from uthrow are nice, but become useless once D3 gets at higher percents
[19:41] <Ares> for some reason, i can't seem to follow up with dthrow anymore..
[19:41] <DDisciple> by that time, it's better to just use bthrow or fthrow
[19:42] <Infin> Remember once you're over 75% at = % your Fthrow is your most damaging throw.
[19:42] <Ares> i do like the tip of pummeling til they start mashing..then fthrow
[19:42] <Ares> to mess with di
[19:42] <Infin> er = stocks
[19:42] <DDisciple> yep
[19:42] <DDisciple> that 13%
[19:43] <hichez> Lets talk end game
[19:43] <hichez> how do you kill the penguin?
[19:43] <Infin> I thought Bthrow, Dthrow, and Fthrow all did like 10.5% at 75%.
[19:43] <DDisciple> fthrow does more
[19:43] <DDisciple> bthrow and dthrow do 10.5%
[19:44] <DDisciple> pummel, then bthrow or dthrow = 11%
[19:44] <Infin> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1382/auramythtrainerinfinity.png
[19:44] <Infin> At 75% they should be equalish
[19:45] <Infin> Whittle down his shield and dair or FSmash?
[19:45] <Infin> Force him to land into a smash.
[19:45] <hichez> That could take time
[19:45] <DDisciple> aura sphere
[19:45] <Infin> Footstool? lol
[19:45] <DDisciple> or my new way of killing them
[19:46] <DDisciple> grab release off stage to nair
[19:46] <Infin> If they are sheild happy Froce Palm landing grab could work as a mixup.
[19:46] <hichez> that is intresting
[19:46] <Ares> guarenteed?
[19:46] <Ares> or read?
[19:46] <DDisciple> I showed Flame
[19:46] <DDisciple> RT saw me do it against Fogo
[19:46] <DDisciple> but then I died cause I was shocked
[19:46] <hichez> I havn't used Nair for killing because it has a lot of ending lag in the air
[19:46] <Infin> lol
[19:46] <DDisciple> you actually have time to jump and recover after doing it
[19:46] <Ares> Dark, is that guarenteed?
[19:47] <Infin> You could also use NAir to trap landings on platforms ex. Lylat/bf
[19:47] <DDisciple> yeah it is
[19:47] <DDisciple> you both go off the stage, then you can nair
[19:47] <Infin> When were you going to tell us this?
[19:47] <DDisciple> when we did this
[19:47] <Ares> lol
[19:47] <Infin> Hah
[19:47] <DDisciple> and when I do it tourney against more Dedede's
[19:48] <DDisciple> not that many D3's in MN
[19:48] <RT> lol
[19:48] <Infin> Are there any other moves we coulod do out of a grab release?
[19:48] <Infin> could*
[19:48] <DDisciple> uair, rising aura sphere
[19:48] <Infin> All killers....
[19:48] <hichez> can you really use a rising aura shpere?
[19:48] <Ares> FCAS from grab release could kill..
[19:49] <Infin> flamewavekei, do you feel as hopeless from this MU now?
[19:49] <Ares> so then wouldnt that make brinstar an "alright" cp? cuz of close sides
[19:49] <DDisciple> I have experimented with this numerous times.
[19:49] <DDisciple> I was thinking of doing this on brinstar against them
[19:49] <DDisciple> but usually a D3 has a pocket MK
[19:49] <Ares> ah
[19:49] <hichez> lol
[19:50] <DDisciple> and it sucks, cause I wanted to see if we do it against other characters
[19:50] * Infin loves fighting MKs on Brinstar.
[19:50] <hichez> thats the only problem with going brinstar you have to know your opponet
[19:50] <DDisciple> it might have something to do with character's traction
[19:50] <Infin> Hey DDisciple.
[19:50] <Ares> So between BF, Lylat, YI ..which has the closest side blastzones?
[19:50] <Infin> Do you know aside from D3 and Wario...
[19:50] <Infin> What other characters do we have a guarenteed setup with an air release?
[19:50] <flamewavekei> alright
[19:51] <flamewavekei> I'm done losing to ill
[19:51] <flamewavekei> Whats goin on guysssssss
[19:51] <DDisciple> not that kind of air release on D3
[19:51] <DDisciple> but no not really
[19:51] <flamewavekei> its a grpimd release
[19:51] <flamewavekei> *ground
[19:51] <Infin> Ahhhh
[19:51] <Ares> on D3, u pummel at edge til hes released?
[19:51] <Infin> Ok
[19:51] <flamewavekei> that makes him fall really low
[19:51] <flamewavekei> and you fall with him
[19:51] <flamewavekei> squirtle has a version of it too on falco
[19:51] <Infin> Could you DAir?
[19:51] <flamewavekei> from hydrograb
[19:51] <flamewavekei> probably
[19:52] <DDisciple> they are a bit ahead of you for dair to connect
[19:52] <Infin> Ah
[19:52] <flamewavekei> Hey
[19:52] <flamewavekei> you guys
[19:52] <flamewavekei> know what to do
[19:52] <flamewavekei> if you grab DDD out of upB
[19:52] <DDisciple> you know when MK grabs another MK and they fall off the stage?
[19:52] <flamewavekei> when he has no more jumps right?
[19:52] <DDisciple> yeah, you can do that when he does upB
[19:52] <flamewavekei> pummel pummel pummel pummel pummel
[19:52] <flamewavekei> <3
[19:52] <DDisciple> it's literally the perfect opportunity to do it
[19:52] <flamewavekei> free damaaaaaaaage
[19:52] <DDisciple> grab him, then dash grab, fall off the stage with him then nair him
[19:53] <flamewavekei> why
[19:53] <flamewavekei> not just
[19:53] <flamewavekei> keep pummeling
[19:53] <Ares> oo
[19:53] <flamewavekei> its basically an infinate unless you mess up
[19:53] <Ares> i see now
[19:53] <flamewavekei> or they decide to UpB away and kill themselves
[19:53] <flamewavekei> :x
[19:53] <DDisciple> you can do it at any percent, but it's not worth it at low percent
[19:53] <DDisciple> like from fair-nair
[19:53] <DDisciple> fair-nair-dash grab, fall off stage, nair, aura sphere, uair
[19:53] <DDisciple> then grab the edge
[19:54] <Ares> u may need to make a vid of this....lol
[19:54] <hichez> There is a lot that could go wrong
[19:54] <Red_Ryu> sorry anyways
[19:55] <DDisciple> well I have a mm with coney at SiiS4
[19:55] <DDisciple> and I'm probably gonna go for it in our mm
[19:56] <flamewavekei> godamnit guys
[19:56] <flamewavekei> man
[19:56] <flamewavekei> if I wasn't so lazy
[19:56] <flamewavekei> I'd prob upload a replay of me doing it
[19:56] <flamewavekei> but like
[19:56] <flamewavekei> idk why my dazzle is
[19:56] <flamewavekei> <<
[19:56] <flamewavekei> *where
[19:57] <flamewavekei> btw
[19:57] <Infin> Hmmm
[19:57] <flamewavekei> I think it was steam that pointed it out to the board
[19:57] <flamewavekei> too
[19:57] <Infin> How high does D3's Up B go in relation to our footstool?
[19:57] <flamewavekei> if you footstool him as he upBs
[19:57] <flamewavekei> You end up on top of him
[19:57] <flamewavekei> I know because I've done it a million times
[19:58] <flamewavekei> if you wanted too
[19:58] <flamewavekei> you could footstool him again
[19:58] <flamewavekei> but I ussually just wait and get my free hit
[19:58] <Ares> umm...could u footstool him out of the grab release?
[19:58] <flamewavekei> never went from it
[19:58] <flamewavekei> you have to ask D
[19:58] <flamewavekei> I don't play that MU anymore
[19:58] <DDisciple> never went for it
[19:58] <Ares> i would think thatd b a guarentee kill then
[19:58] <hichez> what MU do you play then flame
[19:58] <Ares> if it worked
[19:58] <DDisciple> could do the fair-foot stool though
[19:59] <flamewavekei> Footstool is frame 1 though
[19:59] <flamewavekei> so it probably works
[19:59] <flamewavekei> Zss vs DDD
[19:59] <flamewavekei> or MK vs DDD
[19:59] <flamewavekei> depending on the stage
[19:59] <flamewavekei> because its not stressful as ****
[19:59] <Ares> so the grab release off stage works at all percents?
[19:59] <flamewavekei> pretty much
[19:59] <DDisciple> it's more of, when you're able to move again, once you grab release
[19:59] <Bedfox> Footstool any character during any part of a move animation simply makes you jump ontop of them. I still waiting to see people use this to rescue their partner in doubles or something...
[19:59] <DDisciple> yeah it does
[19:59] <Bedfox> Also going to fix my grammar brb
[20:00] <flamewavekei> and footstooling people out of hitstun makes them fall
[20:00] <flamewavekei> ^.^
[20:00] <flamewavekei> love hobbling
[20:01] <Bedfox> I don't quite recall hearing the term "hobbling" before.
[20:01] <Ares> isnt that an ICs tech?
[20:01] <Ares> lol
[20:01] <flamewavekei> yes
[20:01] <flamewavekei> Throw them
[20:01] <Ares> i love doing that
[20:01] <flamewavekei> footstool
[20:01] <flamewavekei> ice block
[20:01] <flamewavekei> repeat
[20:02] <Ares> u forgot
[20:02] <flamewavekei> you can do this in doubles too with any team
[20:02] <flamewavekei> that has a jab lock
[20:02] <Ares> charge fsmash with nana..grab as it hits then repeat :D
[20:02] <flamewavekei> throw
[20:02] <flamewavekei> have your partner footstool
[20:02] <flamewavekei> and then BAS lock to grab
[20:02] <flamewavekei> is an example
[20:02] <flamewavekei> <3
[20:03] <Infin> Anything else people wanna discuss about this MU?
[20:03] <DDisciple> murder choke to bas lock, to warlock punch
[20:03] <Infin> lol
[20:03] <DDisciple> I had to say it
[20:03] <Ares> Falco has dthrow to footstool at low %
[20:04] <DDisciple> k, you guys seems to have covered just about everything (I hope)
[20:04] <flamewavekei> I sy
[20:04] <flamewavekei> say
[20:04] <flamewavekei> we should idle
[20:04] <flamewavekei> until coney gets on
[20:04] <flamewavekei> =\
[20:04] <flamewavekei> =/
[20:04] <flamewavekei> I realllllly want a DDD's opinion
[20:04] <flamewavekei> I could
[20:04] <DDisciple> he can post in the thread if he wants too
[20:04] <flamewavekei> ask atomsk to come in
[20:04] <flamewavekei> right now
[20:04] <flamewavekei> prob
[20:04] <flamewavekei> if you guys wanted...
[20:04] <hichez> I think this derailed
[20:05] <DDisciple> yeah do that
[20:05] <Ares> hes away on facebook..just sent a message to atomsk
[20:05] <DDisciple> since he plays both character
[20:05] <Ares> how do i link this
[20:05] <Infin> With grab release to NAir...
[20:05] <Ares> to him
[20:06] <Infin> You sure they couldn't do something like Inhale to us?
[20:06] <DDisciple> that has crossed my mind multiple times
[20:06] <DDisciple> so I did the test
[20:06] <DDisciple> nope
[20:07] <Ares> atomsk is comin
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[20:07] <flamewavekei> k I did my job.
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[20:07] <Atomsk> umm
[20:07] <Atomsk> cool
[20:07] <flamewavekei> ask questions gogogogo
[20:07] <DDisciple> do your thing flame
[20:08] <flamewavekei> I don't really care about this MU anymore, so I'm going to go make dinner
[20:08] <flamewavekei> brb
[20:08] <DDisciple> what stage would you ban against Lucario?
[20:08] <Atomsk> me?
[20:08] <DDisciple> yeah
[20:08] <Atomsk> I hate SV just because of the platform
[20:08] <Atomsk> but
[20:08] <Atomsk> in terms of counter picks
[20:08] <Atomsk> i'd get rid of like
[20:08] <Atomsk> dumb ones
[20:08] <Atomsk> Japes?
[20:08] <hichez> in many places japes is banned
[20:09] <Atomsk> I dunno really
[20:09] <Atomsk> most lucaarios
[20:09] <Atomsk> don't cp me somewhere gay
[20:09] <Red_Ryu> like where?
[20:09] <RT> How about the unified ruleset stagelist?
[20:09] <Infin> We have to play gay as we can due to that DThrow Upsmash thing
[20:09] <RT> What stage from that list?
[20:09] <Red_Ryu> Pictochat?
[20:09] <Atomsk> nah picto isn't bad
[20:09] <Atomsk> i mean
[20:10] <Atomsk> i guess
[20:10] <Atomsk> Zucco always did good on melee statium
[20:10] <Atomsk> when we fought
[20:10] <Atomsk> that and i can see SV and YI being gay
[20:10] <Atomsk> that's about it
[20:10] <Atomsk> prolly
[20:10] <DDisciple> k, anyone else have questions for Atomsk?
[20:11] <DDisciple> oh, who was harder, Junebug or Zucco?
[20:11] <Atomsk> brb gotta go to the bathroom D:
[20:11] <hichez> lol
[20:11] <Ares> L.
[20:12] <Ares> so flame said he really wanted a DDDs opinion..then said he doesnt care about the MU when atomsk gets here 0.o
[20:12] <Espy> lol
[20:12] <Atomsk> umm
[20:12] <Atomsk> back
[20:12] <DDisciple> he never did to begin with lol
[20:12] <Atomsk> and uhh
[20:13] <Atomsk> when I fought Junebug i did kinda fall for some of the predicatable stuff due to my stupidity
[20:13] <Atomsk> but
[20:13] <Atomsk> zucco never plays consistently
[20:13] <Atomsk> at his best
[20:13] <Atomsk> so i'd say junebug
[20:13] <DDisciple> yeah, I was watching that. He got a lot of grabs on you
[20:13] <DDisciple> then saw you play better against Stauffy, and I was like...uh huh
[20:14] <Atomsk> Well
[20:14] <Atomsk> tbh i don't know many matchups
[20:14] <Atomsk> i just play off of my smarts
[20:14] <Infin> Ah
[20:14] <Infin> Well being aggro vs. Lucario is pretty smart.
[20:14] <Atomsk> not
[20:14] <Atomsk> at
[20:14] <Atomsk> all
[20:15] <hichez> so wou are saying you are useless when talking about MU's
[20:15] <Espy> ^
[20:15] <Atomsk> once i gain the lead i should just be a ******
[20:15] <Atomsk> no not really
[20:15] <Infin> And camp?
[20:15] <RT> lol
[20:15] <Ares> L.
[20:15] <Atomsk> I still understand things
[20:15] <Infin> While we refresh our moves on waddles?
[20:15] <Atomsk> nah
[20:15] <Atomsk> why would
[20:15] <Atomsk> i throw them
[20:15] <Atomsk> lol
[20:15] <Atomsk> Once I gain the lead you have to take risks to get it back
[20:15] <Infin> Prevent spheres from hitting you?
[20:15] <Infin> Ah
[20:15] <Atomsk> there is a L and R button
[20:15] <Atomsk> lol
[20:15] <DDisciple> seeing as we can refresh our moves, if we charge aura sphere when they throw a waddle dee at us
[20:16] <DDisciple> anything guys?
[20:17] <Infin> Atomsk.
[20:17] <Infin> How often do you find yourself powershielding AS?
[20:17] <Atomsk> PowerShielding isn't hard
[20:17] <Atomsk> so i'd assume often
[20:17] <Infin> When do you find yourself getting hit by them? And when do you not often powershield them?
[20:17] <Atomsk> ummm
[20:17] <Atomsk> i don't often PS them if i mess up
[20:17] <Espy> I'd think AS would only be hitting people if they're aerial, or precommitted to an action
[20:18] <Atomsk> CORRECT!
[20:18] <RT> lol
[20:18] <hichez> Atomsk do you most often punish recoveries by lucario?
[20:19] <Atomsk> umm...if you've watched videos of me I believe I do lol
[20:19] <Atomsk> i tend to play much more on stage
[20:19] <Atomsk> then i used to
[20:19] <Atomsk> early on in brawl
[20:19] <DDisciple> annoying thing, he jumps, land then utilt
[20:20] <DDisciple> cause everyone rolls
[20:20] <Atomsk> Teehee
[20:20] <Atomsk> Also
[20:20] <Atomsk> all you guys
[20:20] <Atomsk> for some reason
[20:20] <Atomsk> always ledge jump
[20:20] <Atomsk> at high %
[20:20] <Atomsk> lol why are you guys doing that?
[20:20] <hichez> idk who does that?
[20:20] <DDisciple> for some reason it's somewhat safe
[20:20] <Ares> dont wanna get read and grabbed
[20:20] <Atomsk> ...so
[20:20] <Ares> so they dont get dthrow to upsmash
[20:20] <Atomsk> you guys like gettting utilted
[20:20] <Atomsk> and dying
[20:21] <RT> It's like D3's utilt is good or something.
[20:21] <Atomsk> Nooo never
[20:21] <Red_Ryu> >:E
[20:21] <Atomsk>
[20:21] <RT> Lol
[20:21] <RT> Mini Snake utilt.
[20:21] <RT> Minus the range.
[20:21] <RT> In fact, I'm saddened that it DOESN't have the same range.
[20:21] <Infin> + some invincibility frames :x
[20:21] <hichez> I roll or wait to ledge attack
[20:21] <hichez> then its not a snake utilt
[20:22] <hichez>
[20:22] <Atomsk> anymore questions?
[20:23] <Ares> u coming to ultimate no koast?
[20:23] <hichez> if a lucario CP u to brinstar would you go MK?
[20:23] <Atomsk> umm
[20:23] <Atomsk> no to no koast
[20:23] <Atomsk> and i'm not sure
[20:23] <Atomsk> i might go wario
[20:23] <DDisciple> I'll probably see you at WGF
[20:23] <Atomsk> Oh word?
[20:23] <Atomsk> YOU GOIN?
[20:23] <Atomsk> WE BETTER GO CLUBBING WITH LADYDUDEK
[20:24] <RT> Whobo 3?
[20:24] <Atomsk> yea i should be
[20:24] <DDisciple> gonna try
[20:24] <RT> Tasty.
[20:24] <Atomsk> i'm moving out soon so money might be a little harder for me
[20:24] <DDisciple> I need to buy a car though
[20:24] <DDisciple> same
[20:24] <DDisciple> it might make going to SiiS4 really hard
[20:24] <Atomsk> moving in with Izumi, Allied, and Vex
[20:24] <Atomsk> in Philly
[20:24] <DDisciple> oh yeah, good ****
[20:24] <Atomsk> time to finally be number 1 in a state D:
[20:24] <DDisciple> k, we done guys?
[20:25] <Infin> Think so
[20:25] <Atomsk> OH I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS ADVICE
[20:25] <Atomsk> pick up a secondary
[20:25] <Infin> Thank ya for coming, Atomsk.
[20:25] <Infin> >.>
[20:25] <Bedfox> I HAVE A QUESTION
[20:25] <DDisciple> aight, good **** guys. Next week we do MK
[20:25] <Ares> L.
[20:25] <hichez> almost who are we discussing next week?
[20:25] <Atomsk> your character isn't that muhc of a gimcick anymore
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[20:25] <Atomsk> and at top level
[20:25] <Atomsk> your character won't win sadly
[20:25] <Atomsk> UNLESS its vs Midwest
[20:25] <hichez> atomsk is talking ****
[20:25] <Cloudfox> What's the best thing to do against D3 at the ledge when you're at high percent?
[20:25] <DDisciple> >.>
[20:26] <RT> trollolololololol
[20:26] <Ares> ><
[20:26] <Cloudfox> And lol.
[20:26] <Red_Ryu> >_<
[20:26] <Atomsk> ummm
[20:26] <Infin> Against M2K?
[20:26] <Infin> lol
[20:26] <Atomsk> i dunno
[20:26] <Cloudfox>
[20:26] <Atomsk> being at the ledge vs me or coney
[20:26] <DDisciple> we get beaten by Toon Link on the west side, and wolf anything is possible
[20:26] <Atomsk> is a guessing game
[20:26] <Atomsk> and yea
[20:26] <Atomsk> wtf
[20:26] <Atomsk> at kain
[20:26] <Atomsk> winning?
[20:26] <Atomsk> Learn 2 ddd
[20:26] <DDisciple> I wasn't there
[20:26] <DDisciple> lol
[20:26] <DDisciple> or Pikachu
[20:26] <Atomsk> nah
[20:26] <Atomsk> ddd is worse
[20:26] <Cloudfox> Yeah, when I read what you just said about not jumping I was like "Mm, I guess you should always-..........wait."
[20:26] <Ares> TL is broken
[20:26] <Atomsk> ddd and shiek are worse
[20:27] <Atomsk> TL SUCKS
[20:27] <RT> I'll be in TLK someday...
[20:27] <Cloudfox> :X
[20:27] <Ares> so broken
[20:27] <Atomsk> TL isn't bad
[20:27] <Atomsk> he just loses to DDD imo
[20:27] <DDisciple> MJG is pissed about that lol
[20:27] <Atomsk> lol
[20:27] <Cloudfox> I wanna play Jash again.
[20:27] <Atomsk> ***** should be glad
[20:27] <Atomsk> i came to midwest
[20:27] <DDisciple> you made him pick up MK
[20:27] <Atomsk> XD
[20:27] <Ares> LOL
[20:27] <Cloudfox> XD
[20:27] <Ares> playin with him tomorrow
[20:27] <Atomsk> it's fine I have like 30 other characters
[20:27] <Atomsk> lol
[20:28] <Atomsk> by that i mean really 4
[20:28] <Ares> play falco more
[20:28] <RT> Dude, no Ganon is a good CP character against...
[20:28] <Ares> imo
[20:28] <RT> Uh...
[20:28] <Atomsk> why
[20:28] <Atomsk> my falco isn't at wasn't that good
[20:28] <Ares> fun to watch
[20:28] <Atomsk> my region just doesn't have experiance against a good one yet
[20:28] <DDisciple> who's got the log for this?
[20:29] <Atomsk> and wyatt didn't know how to handle falco that new what to do vs diddy yet
[20:29] <Atomsk> since larry sucks vs diddy
[20:29] <Atomsk> isn't and wasn't*
[20:29] <Atomsk> that knew*
[20:29] <Ares> lol
[20:30] <DDisciple> Red, do you have it?
[20:30] <Ares> TL > ICs
[20:30] <Ares> or mj > ics
[20:30] <Red_Ryu> hmm
[20:30] <Red_Ryu> sorry
[20:30] <Atomsk> IMA GO ICS VS MJG NEXT TIME
[20:30] <Infin> Later guys
[20:30] <DDisciple> who was in here the longest?
[20:30] <Ares> ^^
[20:30] <Atomsk> i'll lose D: but it'd be cool
[20:30] <Red_Ryu> what were yoiu asking D?
[20:30] <Ares> i want to see that
[20:30] <Ares> lol
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[20:30] <DDisciple> the chat log
[20:30] <Red_Ryu> oh this one
[20:30] <DDisciple> for this discussion
[20:30] <Red_Ryu> yeah I can get it
[20:30] <DDisciple> kk
[20:30] <Atomsk> aight peace guys
[20:31] <Ares> later
[20:31] <Atomsk> GO see Tron if you haven't
[20:31] <DDisciple> atomsk
[20:31] <Espy> Atromsk
[20:31] <Espy> Atomsk*
[20:31] <Atomsk> ****ing amazing
[20:31] <DDisciple> add me on skype
[20:31] <Espy> Wait, I have a question.
[20:31] <Atomsk> okay i will
[20:31] <Atomsk> and what espy?
[20:31] <DDisciple> DeShane Strong
[20:31] <Atomsk> DD whats your sn?
[20:31] <Espy> Two tournaments, at LEAST
[20:31] <Espy> and we still haven't played
[20:31] <Espy> why?
[20:31] <DDisciple> d.disciple
[20:31] <hichez> no one wants to play a sonic
[20:31] <Atomsk> I have no clue actually
[20:31] <Atomsk> I WOULD HAVE FOUGHT YOU AT MLG
[20:31] <Ares> ^
[20:31] <Atomsk> if i didn't choke
[20:31] <Atomsk> D:
[20:31] <Espy> ;-;
[20:32] <Espy> Wait, in place of Ally?
[20:32] <Espy> or Tyrant?
[20:32] <DDisciple> and prevented two sonics, making around 1k each?
[20:32] <Ares> play more consistently!!
[20:32] <Atomsk> wait
[20:32] <Atomsk> if i beat
[20:32] <Ares> thats what u tell me
[20:32] <Atomsk> esam
[20:32] <Atomsk> i would have fought you
[20:32] <Espy> OOOOOH
[20:32] <Espy> Damn.
[20:32] <Espy> That would've been awesome.
[20:32] <Atomsk> yea D:
[20:32] <Atomsk> prolly
[20:32] <Espy> I MIGHT be going to Pound V
[20:33] <Espy> but iunno
[20:33] <Atomsk> oh word?
[20:33] <Espy> Yeah.
[20:33] <Espy> Figure I'd go up there and get my arse handed to me.
[20:33] <Atomsk> i'm going to whobo to **** FWK so we can play there
[20:33] <Atomsk> jk
[20:33] <Atomsk> but i am going
[20:33] <Espy> EC prolly knows the Sonic match up best.
[20:33] <Cloudfox> XD
[20:33] <Atomsk> I mean
[20:33] <Atomsk> we just know
[20:33] <DDisciple> lmao @ your SN
[20:33] <Atomsk> to just stare at sonic
[20:33] <Atomsk> and not do anything
[20:33] <Atomsk> lol
[20:33] <Cloudfox> ^
[20:33] <Espy> Yeah.
[20:33] <DDisciple> that's the match up for every character against Sonic
[20:33] <Espy> You guys have a lot of Sonics too, so that helps.
[20:34] <Cloudfox> *had* a lot of Sonics...
[20:34] <DDisciple> sonic is spinning in place, Im' just standing there
[20:34] <Atomsk> we have
[20:34] <Espy> Well, you gotta create space, Disciple.
[20:34] <Atomsk> jsut Kai now
[20:34] <Atomsk> and
[20:34] <Atomsk> wedge i guess
[20:34] <Atomsk> but
[20:34] <DDisciple> speed?
[20:34] <Atomsk> the life of a potmonster in nj
[20:34] <Atomsk> is hard
[20:34] <RT> Whobo, yes.
[20:34] <Espy> Because you just can't react to Sonic at close range. Can't rely on it, I mean.
[20:34] <Atomsk> speed isn't in NJ
[20:34] <Atomsk> I CAN GRAB SONIC OUT OF SPIN DASH DAWG
[20:34] <Espy> But you dedede
[20:34] <Espy> :<
[20:35] <Atomsk> teehee
[20:35] <Espy> WHOBO3 is gonna be fun, though.
[20:35] <Atomsk> ya
[20:35] <Cloudfox> XP Hopefully I can afford more stuff next month. So being a potmonster won't be hard. I could use more training against our region offline again first, though. Was hoping somebody'd have a Smashfest for Orion, arg. :/
[20:35] <DDisciple> I need to pre-reg for Whobo and Pound V
[20:35] <Atomsk> same
[20:35] <Atomsk> and i'm out guys
[20:35] <Atomsk> see ya
[20:35] <Espy> Cya Atomsk
[20:35] <Cloudfox> See ya
[20:35] <Ares> late
[20:36] <Atomsk> *does the Nixon*
[20:36] <DDisciple> Red, post the chat log in the thread
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[20:36] <Cloudfox> Haha.
[20:36] <Espy> What was the conclusion of the discussion, btw?
[20:36] <Espy> I was afk halfway into it.
[20:36] <Cloudfox> Me asking a question there wasn't any good answer for?
[20:36] <DDisciple> ****, you guys didn't do the ratio?
[20:37] <Red_Ryu> 4:6 imo
[20:37] <Cloudfox> Matchup ratio? I contend those are kind of dumb.
[20:37] <Espy> I was a bystander, I had no obligation to do that.
[20:37] <Ares> what was the ratio before?
[20:37] <flamewavekei> 7:3
[20:37] <DDisciple> hey, is steam in here?
[20:37] <Cloudfox> All you need to have is- lol Flame
[20:37] <hichez> espy just curious why are you here?
[20:37] <RT> He's a spy for the red team.
[20:37] <Espy> Because I chose to be here.
[20:37] <Ares> 6:4 seems good
[20:37] <Cloudfox> is the general idea whether it's bad or good.
[20:37] <Espy> RT
[20:37] <Espy> You can say
[20:37] <DDisciple> guys is steam in this chat?
[20:37] <Espy> that I'm an E-spy
[20:37] <RT> ....
[20:38] <Espy> omg
[20:38] <hichez> lol
[20:38] <hichez> 6:4
[20:38] <flamewavekei> regardless of the number
[20:38] <RT> *gets knife out and stabs face*
[20:38] <DDisciple> I'm taking that as a no
[20:38] <flamewavekei> its still one of our hardest MUs
[20:38] <Espy> No wonder pandas are endangered.
[20:38] <Espy> They're all killing themselves.
[20:38] <RT> Facestabs are ***.
[20:39] <Espy> RT, I have a question.
[20:39] <RT> ?
[20:39] <Espy> Why does Xyro always snatch event days away from everyone else?
[20:39] <RT> It's Xyro.
[20:39] <Espy> Like, Nike was gonna host in December
[20:39] <RT> He does what he wants.
[20:39] <Espy> and then I want to go to that Amarillo tournament, and now SA wants HOBO because Xyro put it on the same day.
[20:40] <Espy> I'm like blaaaaaaaaaaargh
[20:40] <Espy> best part is that we're probably going to neither.
[20:40] <RT> He barely listens to me.
[20:40] <hichez> im out
[20:41] <RT> But Feb is pretty free.
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[20:41] <Red_Ryu> ok I'll work on getting this logged
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[Steam]

why did you want to know if I was in the chat? 3:

 

[Xyro77]

[20:39] <Espy> Why does Xyro always snatch event days away from everyone else?
[20:39] <RT> It's Xyro.
[20:39] <Espy> Like, Nike was gonna host in December
[20:39] <RT> He does what he wants.
[20:39] <Espy> and then I want to go to that Amarillo tournament, and now SA wants HOBO because Xyro put it on the same day.

Everybody knows that HOBO is the first weekend of the month and if its not possible its the 2nd week of the month. Its been like that forever.

DEAL WITH IT!

 

[RT]

Hard namesearch.

 

[Xyro77]

Hard namesearch.

no. its called name searching. nothing is hard about it.

 

[RT]

That's not what I meant, but...

OK then.

 

[TheJerm]

Hard name searching indeed

 

[Allied]

I get a hard on when i name search.

 

[RT]

I guess the next discussion is going to be the Knight that is Meta?

 

[D. Disciple]

Indeed, bring forth Meta Knight!

 

[RT]

F that bat!

 

[culexus・wau]

Yo.

I'm deciding that we **** irc for once.

Lucario Metagame Discussion.. SKYPE CHAT. [because that way I could get certain parties to participate easier

Spoiler

It will also weed out weeker parties hurrhurrhurr

]

with someone transcribing everything important of course.

which will not be me since I can't take notes worth ****.

 

[D. Disciple]

that is actually a better idea.

 

[RT]

Skype would be fine for me. I'll leave my Skype on in case this happens.

 

[D. Disciple]

D.Disciple add me

 

[Browny]

with someone transcribing everything important of course.

Might wanna get the short-straw drawing sorted out ASAP.

 

[D. Disciple]

Yo, we're starting now.

 

[culexus・wau]

So...

**** irc

skype meet-ups

once a week :3

we just need a transcriber now.

 

[D. Disciple]

Dude, whomever is not on Skype right now. You're missing out big time, Ninjalink and Kita are such a big help right now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I have skype. :3

So this is fine with me.

 

[RT]

It went massively off topic, but metagame stuff was still discussed.

Just consider it as a test run which was successful.

 

[D. Disciple]

yeah it did, I did throw them back on topic. Until around the end when Zucco came in and we started experimenting doing **** on wifi.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like science! can I be a part of it?

 

[culexus・wau]

On the new buffering out of perfect shield thing you can dsmash/Aurasphere [full charged or baby] snake utilt on powershield.

GLORIOUS.

I really doubt you'll ever get it but if you do hype hype hype hype hype.

 

[D. Disciple]

Jan. 30th we're doing another Lucario metagame discussion. So try to come up with stuff for Lucario, to help improve him.

I'm saying this ahead of time, cause I want everyone to be apart of this.

 

[culexus・wau]

Dat fwk stream

Skype is so much more productive + fun but we need a note taker

 

[Luco]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, as i'm not all that game to go through all 24 pages, so if this has been discussed before, just tell me, but a particular move of lucario's i find quite useful for giving out damage. In many custom levels i have made, there are places where there is only one space separating one block from another vertically, and i find this is a good place to use the move. It's really simple: all you do is do a smash attack upwards, and then, while you keep holding up, press a repeatedly. This creates a semi-circle of aura, in which is very useful to give out lots of damage to enemies.

 

[RT]

You're talking about utilt.

Nothing new.

 

[iRJi]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, as i'm not all that game to go through all 24 pages, so if this has been discussed before, just tell me, but a particular move of lucario's i find quite useful for giving out damage. In many custom levels i have made, there are places where there is only one space separating one block from another vertically, and i find this is a good place to use the move. It's really simple: all you do is do a smash attack upwards, and then, while you keep holding up, press a repeatedly. This creates a semi-circle of aura, in which is very useful to give out lots of damage to enemies.

This has to be a troll. It just has to be...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, as i'm not all that game to go through all 24 pages, so if this has been discussed before, just tell me, but a particular move of lucario's i find quite useful for giving out damage. In many custom levels i have made, there are places where there is only one space separating one block from another vertically, and i find this is a good place to use the move. It's really simple: all you do is do a smash attack upwards, and then, while you keep holding up, press a repeatedly. This creates a semi-circle of aura, in which is very useful to give out lots of damage to enemies.

That would be Utilt, and I would like to direct you towards the Question and Answer thread

 

[Alus]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, as i'm not all that game to go through all 24 pages, so if this has been discussed before, just tell me, but a particular move of lucario's i find quite useful for giving out damage. In many custom levels i have made, there are places where there is only one space separating one block from another vertically, and i find this is a good place to use the move. It's really simple: all you do is do a smash attack upwards, and then, while you keep holding up, press a repeatedly. This creates a semi-circle of aura, in which is very useful to give out lots of damage to enemies.

Tilt the stick a little up, and you can do it without the smash.

This is called up-tilt.

You can tilt the control stick in other directions for other tilts.

 

[Luco]

It's really hard to know what's been said and what hasn't. I knew you guys knew about utilt, but i was looking at a few level submissions... None of them seemed to have places where the blocks were vertically one space from each other, in a situation where you could use the utilt like that. I'm not a troll, but i'm still really really new to the forums. I just talk a lot :-P

 

[RT]

If you want to learn Lucario, check the outdated guide and just lurk more.

 

[Linkshot]

If you want to learn Smash, I suggest starting with items on and with Smash 64 in your N64.

 

[Luco]

I used to be so good at 64, now i can barely control ness's PK thunder on that thing It just takes a while to get used to. I've learnt smash, just not so much the forums :-P

 

[culexus・wau]

Thread needs to be changed to lucario skype metagame discussion w/ IRC for note taking

 

[Alus]

... Doesn't skype require invitations?

 

[RT]

Inviting takes less than 5 seconds...

 

[Alus]

Yes... To invite one you talk to often.

Not about those people that may be willing to contribute and don't skype? Might take longer...

This is just a future suggestion, maybe this won't cause issues to a few right now.