[Left 4 Scum] Game Over: Scum Win

[mentosman8]

Interesting incap group. In fact, 2 of the incaps were some of the players with more suspicion on them, and Kata went untouched. This is really going to take some thought to figure out the motives behind. Regardless, we only have 7 unclears, and we've got 4 clears to help us. Out of those 7 it has become pretty apparent 3 are scum. This means one major thing: We need to hit scum. Today. No questions asked. I'll be thinking things over the next little while.

 

[KevinM]

God now I can finally play this game without worrying about you all tunneling my questions mad hard body.

And my boy Frozen be towny to.

So what do you say Frozen lets win this game?

 

[McFox]

The way this game has gone, at this point I'm thinking if we just throw a dart at a board with the 7 unclears' faces on it, we're more likely to hit scum than if we actually try to analyze anything.

 

[Circus]

Well, that's kind of troubling but mostly helpful, especially if Frozen actually gets his *** in this game (now's the time to do it). More than anything, scum just did me a huge favor in clearing Kevin.

This strengthens my resolve to investigate the quiet players. Maybe not all of them are scum, but I'll be ****ed if there isn't at least one amongst Rockin, Cello, and Mentos. Xiivi is not off my radar at all, but even if I end up voting for him later, toDay is about getting to know some of our more enigmatic players, as far as I'm concerned.

Interesting incap group. In fact, 2 of the incaps were some of the players with more suspicion on them, and Kata went untouched.

Just curious, which 2 players are you specifically referring to here?

@Rockin: Who did you incap last night?

@Cello: You were right, Kevin's town. What do you think of Xiivi?

Uncap: Kevin for now.

Gheb, Frozen, change my mind.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Town will probably win now. Too bad I will probably die

Vote Mentosman

More later.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Fos Circus for the 39824798374th time for his hasty uncap. You don't even explain why you uncap Kevin and then you tell me / frozen to convince you in such an authoritie manner?

Circus, Mentos and either Rockin or Cello are scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Pythag you've been slacking off lately. Mind being a bit more active? It'd be cool if you could post your opinion or a mini PdPA on Rockin. Thanks in advance.

Cello, you have said suspiciously little all game. Mind doing some work already and tell me what you thin about Xiivi and why? The more detailed the better!

Kat, you're cool because you're a cleared townie. What do you think of mentos? I think he's scum because hes done nothing but stalling all game. This guy absolutley needs to die. Is there any reason to think he's town? If so, what makes you think so?

 

[Kataefi]

Posting in white now because it's quicker!

Well firstly: Circus uncapping someone very early in the game goes against the general town principle we've established. Why so eager to incap early?

@clears: thoughts on the all the unclears please. What's everyone's take on Mcfox atm? Also interested if you think a Circus/Xiivi connection is plausible. Aside from that, if none of them show up as scum I can only vouch for the lurkers subtly leading this game along.

So many people could be suspicious in this game for different reasons that it's hard to pin down just a selection.

@Gheb - I'm uncertain on mentos, I've got little reads on him - I can't weigh up the scum/town intentions. Will do a reread and keep you updated. Also... tell me what's off about Rockin and Cello? Aside from all 3 sharing a lurking characteristic, what else are you seeing? I'm interested in Mentos' and Cello's votes for Mcfox... what didn't they see in mayling and circus at the time?

We really need to hit some scum today

 

[KevinM]

Requesting a prod on Frozen please!

 

[mentosman8]

Gheb, you have tunneled on me since D1 and if you continue to do so and push it's going to accomplish nothing but costing the town the game. You really remind me of Mac in PW mafia refusing to let go of the idea that Kevin was scum from D1 until he died. It's not a good idea to be so single-minded the whole game.

@Circus: Specifically referring to Kevin and FF who were largely seen by town to be at least somewhat suspicious. Gheb was also seen by some as suspicious, but no where near the level that the other two were under fire.

I am doing some self debate about where my vote should land. From my PoV, there's a 50/50 chance of voting scum, and I want to decide where I want to get my vote placed and come up with a full reason why I think that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No bull.

Mentos, you never hunted scum, you have stalled, stalled and stalled again. You haven't done shit all game. You have succesfully managed to coach Circus out of leaving breadcrumbs for half-***** reasons and you have not posted anything of content. You point out these breadcrumbs but don't even bother to push Circus any further? I'm not buying this crap anymore. You have been showing so much scum in recent games but this time it's way too obvious.

Comparing me to PW Macman is the lamest cop-out I've ever heard. Macman tunneled against the claimed Doctor for two days straight AND FOR NOBODY ELSE. I have pushed PLENTY of other lynches, have been behind every fucking wagon in this game and have tried to get every player involved into discussion. In the meantime you've just been sitting back while the townies busted each others heads. That's not how Kevin played in PW at all and you know it. If you were town you would've started to play this game seriously a long time ago but you never even tried to accomplish anything because you're scum.

 

[Pythag]

Whoa, sorry that I missed the day change.
gheb, please let me know what a PdPA is and I'll post one on Rockin, though I don't think he's scummy.
Mentos, Circus, and McFox: I'm looking at you.
Mentos looks way better since Gheb flipped town.
Circus, I really really wanted you lynched last time. I honestly was pretty upset we switched to Mayling.
Mcfox, you've been suspicious to me for awhile. Especially your attacks on frozen.

The last suspect I have in mind is honestly Xiivii, which pains me, because I've really really enjoyed his arguments for the entire game. I feel he makes really legit points, yet I could just be allowing myself to be led by scum, which isn't good. So I'm definitely watching him too.

 

[KevinM]

My case and point right now is

if Circus flips scum.

Either Mentos or Xiivi HAS to be scum with him.

100 percent no doubt in my mind.

 

[Circus]

Fos Circus for the 39824798374th time for his hasty uncap. You don't even explain why you uncap Kevin and then you tell me / frozen to convince you in such an authoritie manner?

Circus, Mentos and either Rockin or Cello are scum.

....

I think it's ridiculous that you would FOS me for a "hasty uncap." For a slew of reasons.

One, it's not like uncap's are permanent.

Two, on Day 3 I actually brought up issue with the fact that too many people were uncapping Kata at once, destroying any incentive for Marsh and Chaco to contribute, and NO ONE seemed to pay that any attention. Now I'm putting my uncap vote on one person and merely suggesting that you and Frozen give me a reason to switch. As in, be productive and earn my uncap. It's a similar strategy to keeping all uncaps off of anyone, only it specifically gives two people more incentive to post (theoretically). I picked Kevin because I figured he would need the least incentive. Stop obsessing over every little thing I do and twisting it into something suspicious. It's not helpful to just pick apart everything I say and throw it in a pile labeled "Scummy Things Circus Does" and act like you have a case against me. You've been tunneling one idea all god**** game and it needs to stop now. Sincerely. There is NO MORE TIME for tunneling. All this suspicion has done is make me a perfect ****ing scapegoat for the mafia. I couldn't be in a better position for them. This way, if some other townie lynch doesn't work out, they can always point at Circus and go "yeah, he's been botherin' us all game. He should just die now." I'm looking at you, Xiivi.

And three, I still don't get why it's scummy to uncap at the beginning of the Day. I see how it's ineffective to pile on uncaps onto one person at the beginning of the Day, but that's different. Explain to me why what I just did was scummy.

Mentos, Circus, and McFox: I'm looking at you.
Mentos looks way better since Gheb flipped town.

Why does Gheb's flip make Mentos look "way better" to you? And if Mentos does look so much better, why is he still one of your top 3 suspects? Your top 3 suspects should essentially be who you think the three members of the infected group are. Do you think Mentos is more likely to be town than scum?

And finally, Ununcap since apparently uncaps are bad.

 

[mentosman8]

Well, Circus beat me to it, but I had the same question to ask Pythag. You say I'm suspect, then say that since Gheb flipped town I look way better. More importantly, the part that Circus never mentioned: Gheb has been suspicious of me since DAY 1. How does him flipping town make me look BETTER? The logic makes no sense and I would really like it explained.

@Gheb: Who says I haven't played this game "seriously"? Just because I haven't had a good read and pushed a scum? Guess what, every lynch has been a mislynch. It's not like anyone has been doing very good, and in fact, that argument could be applied to almost every person left un-cleared. Furthermore, the one time I DID try to do something for town, it was turned around and thrown in my face as scummy and hasn't been let go. At that point it definitely made for me to not want to try to be useful. Like Kev and his questions, I have pretty much been suspected since D1 when I tried to help town, and the fact that it hasn't let up makes it very hard to actually try to accomplish everything.

You say I didn't push Circus after pointing out the potential breadcrumbs, but as I said above, people found me SUSPICIOUS for pointing it out. If the biggest point I have on someone is being called suspicious, I'm not really going to be able to push anything with it. I mean, what would you have had me done? Keep pushing a lynch based on that and potentially(and likely) raising people's suspicions and flipping it around on me?

You say I haven't done **** all game, but really, neither has ANYONE. Let's look at town's history this game. D1, a completely random lynch on someone for being V/LA which was completely strung together in the course of a day with no legitimate scumhunting done to get the lynch, simply wanting to remove an inactive(which I strongly disagreed with mind you, due to the fact that he wasn't just lurking, he was V/LA). D2 was a Ronike lynch. Another lynch based on not the greatest reasoning that I disagreed with and refused to vote for. Then there was the Mayling lynch, the only one that had even somewhat agreeable reasoning for it, and once again was thrown together at the last minute of the day, flipping away from other lynch candidates. So, maybe I haven't had good reads and haven't really accomplished anything. But neither has town. In fact, I have refused to vote on two wagons because I completely disagreed with the case against them.

Now, after my own personal thought about who I think is scum out of the remainder, I've got my thoughts gathered. I still don't have nearly as good of reads on anyone in this game as normal(predominately due to most of the lynches being either removal of inactives, or along the lines of following clears/quick bandwagons making it very difficult to gain info from lynches), I think I at least have a solid baseline for who I want to lynch. I didn't realize at the outset of this game how much easier it would be for scum than normal, and it has(quite clearly) severely affected town/scum differences that we normally look for. However, I have my lynch candidates in mind, and I'm going to place my vote right back where it was at the end of yesterday, while keeping my eye on others.

Vote: McFox think this wagon should have held up yesterday instead of rush-switching to Mayling.

 

[KevinM]

I would ask for people to keep their votes off because I'd want the clears to be able to talk this out without risking a random quicklynch etc.

 

[mentosman8]

Fair enough Kev, Unvote figured I should make my opinion clear

 

[Pythag]

Excuse me, Mentos looks like a way better lynch candidate to me than he did before. I didn't trust gheb. He's clear now. Thus the mentos lynch looks better.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb, please let me know what a PdPA is and I'll post one on Rockin, though I don't think he's scummy.

PbPA means Post by Post analysis. I'm not asking you to write longass essays about every post he made but I'd like you to take a closer look at what he said so far and point out things that stand out to you.

My case and point right now is

if Circus flips scum.

Either Mentos or Xiivi HAS to be scum with him.

100 percent no doubt in my mind.

Did you mean to say Xiivi here? I think he pushed Circus pretty hard yesterDay. I'm sure you have a reason as too why you think Circus and Xiivi are scumbuddies. Care to point it out.

Circus or mentos have to go toDay. I'd like to hear Frozen's opinion at this point. As far as I remember he seemed to have a town read on mentos.

Unvote

Circus and Mentos are the best lynches toDay.

@Gheb: Who says I haven't played this game "seriously"? Just because I haven't had a good read and pushed a scum?

Yes, that's a huge reason why. You can't tell me that even after 4 days you have no solid read on more than one or two players. That's absurd.

Guess what, every lynch has been a mislynch.

Dodge much? This has absolutley nothing to do with the accusation that you are stalling. If every lynch has been a mislynch you have to take a lot of the blame for it because you were just sitting on the sidelines lurking and got behind a mislynch as soon as there was a chance.

It's not like anyone has been doing very good, and in fact, that argument could be applied to almost every person left un-cleared.

Xiivi has made legitimate arguments against Circus. McFox has been very vocal about his suspicions against Ronike and has done a lot of arguing when he was accused by Frozen. Cello has only made few posts but most of them have decent content.

You have just been staying out of the spotlight all the time, sitting on the fence and have NOT actively taken part at discussion.

Furthermore, the one time I DID try to do something for town, it was turned around and thrown in my face as scummy and hasn't been let go.

It hasn't been let go because you never responded in a satisfying manner - you have just resorted to avoid the issue altogether by not posting. Nobody exept me, Cello and Medi seemed to have noticed it in the first place so it wasn't hard for you to get your head out of the noose before people started to see the problems I've been pointing out.

You have done a little for town. You have done a lot more for scum though.

At that point it definitely made for me to not want to try to be useful.

That's nonsense. Do you know how much dirt has been thrown at me throughout the entire game for nudging and pressuring inactives? I have actively tried to help town and have been kicked in the *** for it until the point I was incapped. It never stopped me from helping town with the best intentions regardless and I don't see why such a minor thing should stop you from helping.

To compare us two:

You have destroyed a good opportunity for town to find scum. Two and a half people call you out for it so you respond by coasting for the rest of the 3 days up to now and continue to be butthurt.

I have worked my *** off to get everbody involved in the game, to get everybody to scumhunt and give as much information as possible. I have been considered a lynch candidate by Xiivi, Cleared Marsh King, Rockin, Pythag and later on Kevin for my efforts and I still didn't give up so easily so don't give play the butthurt card.

Like Kev and his questions, I have pretty much been suspected since D1 when I tried to help town, and the fact that it hasn't let up makes it very hard to actually try to accomplish everything.

No. Kevin has been openly suspected by at least half the game (inculding clears on D2), while only 2 1/2 people have voiced suspicion against you but only I have been doing constantly so (to you which you never really responded). Kevin hasn't been stalling like you did, he has not been sitting on the fence and he openly voiced his suspicions.

You have not been suspected since D1 by more than me.

You say I didn't push Circus after pointing out the potential breadcrumbs, but as I said above, people found me SUSPICIOUS for pointing it out. If the biggest point I have on someone is being called suspicious, I'm not really going to be able to push anything with it.

Of course you would've been able to if you used your highly regarded deduction and debating skills. It's not like your point didn't have any merit. If you point out breadcrumbs that can directly lead to scum too earlyit's a mistake but it's only potentially scummy. If you try to whitewash the mistake like you did then it's probably more than that.

If you realize that what you pointed out is possibly a scumtell but do not pursue the whole point whatsoever despite you trying to justify your actions as right there is a clear contradiction between what you've been saying and what you've been doing and this issue has been left alone THE WHOLE GAME because you stealed away under the spotlight.

I mean, what would you have had me done? Keep pushing a lynch based on that and potentially(and likely) raising people's suspicions and flipping it around on me?

That's what you would've done if you were town and realized how much truth in your argument on those breadcrumbs was. But you are scum and realized that it could get your scumbuddy in trouble.

You say I haven't done **** all game, but really, neither has ANYONE.

This is just flat-out wrong. If you look at the living players then Circus, McFox, Xiivi, Kataefi and myself all have made legitimate efforts to look for scum or to help. Kevin has stepped his game up recently too and with Frozen we have at least another clear.

You discredit towns achievements as soon as your under suspicion. If town hever did anything why didn't you do anything about it the whole game? Perhaps because that's what you wanted?

Let's look at town's history this game. D1, a completely random lynch on someone for being V/LA which was completely strung together in the course of a day with no legitimate scumhunting done to get the lynch, simply wanting to remove an inactive(which I strongly disagreed with mind you, due to the fact that he wasn't just lurking, he was V/LA).

It's a 18 player game. It's almost impossible to keep track of everybody. We have little information so we lynch deadweights first. Just like every game as big as that. Taking credit for disagreeing with his lynch is what scum would do to look credible. Only scum would know if he's actually town.

[QUOTED]2 was a Ronike lynch. Another lynch based on not the greatest reasoning that I disagreed with and refused to vote for.[/QUOTE]

The Ronike lynch was legitimate. He was acting extremely suspicious with his NL proposal in a game with ~5 deadweights, his attempts to incriminate McFox were not convincing, his bandwagon jumpiness looked like scum keeping his eye open for options and his question on D2 have been a major stalling point and distracted town from scumhunting.

You're not credible for not voting him.

Then there was the Mayling lynch, the only one that had even somewhat agreeable reasoning for it, and once again was thrown together at the last minute of the day, flipping away from other lynch candidates. So, maybe I haven't had good reads and haven't really accomplished anything. But neither has town. In fact, I have refused to vote on two wagons because I completely disagreed with the case against them.

And yet, at the same time you have brought absolutely nothing to thhe table. You take credit for things that only a scumbag would know for sure.

GIVING CREDIT TO A DOOMED TOWNIE DOES NOT MAKE YOU LOOK TOWN AT ALL.

Refusing to push mislynches is a very safe way for scum to play because it allows to sit on the fence and be passive, while at the same time being able to draw the "hah, I told you!" card.

Now, after my own personal thought about who I think is scum out of the remainder, I've got my thoughts gathered. I still don't have nearly as good of reads on anyone in this game as normal(predominately due to most of the lynches being either removal of inactives, or along the lines of following clears/quick bandwagons making it very difficult to gain info from lynches), I think I at least have a solid baseline for who I want to lynch. I didn't realize at the outset of this game how much easier it would be for scum than normal, and it has(quite clearly) severely affected town/scum differences that we normally look for. However, I have my lynch candidates in mind, and I'm going to place my vote right back where it was at the end of yesterday, while keeping my eye on others.

Vote: McFox think this wagon should have held up yesterday instead of rush-switching to Mayling.

I will keep this in mind depending on your flip.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I will go into detail on Circus later.

 

[mentosman8]

Gheb, just a heads up, if you get my flip it won't matter what I think. Run the numbers and find out what would happen when I flipped town. I'll have a better post up after work

 

[Cello_Marl]

Before I answer Gheb and Circus, I wanted to ask Kevin something. Was I actually right in my analysis of you, or was I wrong and you happened to be a survivor anyway?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

KevBro and I are cleared together? Hot ****.

Alright, time to clean this ****ty *** game up.

I really don't expect to be uncapped here but I owe it to this town to pull my weight here to make up for my ****ty *** play early on.

KevBro, lets tear this game a new *******.

My obvious first question is KevBro, is McFox still brownie townie to you? Like I seriously regret coming off him and hitting Mayling now. He should be so dead.

Gheb is looking good to me initially but this game is gonna undergo multiple re-reads. Not sure if that will change but I have a generally pro-town read on him.

@ Gheb: Is that PbPa all concerning mentos? You stopped labeling your quotes but I assume that who you're quoting.

Circus still remains a curious case. I'll need to go back and see who he's been pushing and whatnot. I don't have a solid read based on what he's said alone, so I need to go over other contextual evidence.

But yeah, Kev and Kat, who are your top plays right now?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

lol Frozen I'm cleared

 

[Kataefi]

Frozen:

- Circus/Xiivi
- Mcfox
- And one of the non-entities in this game

These are the players on my mind. What's your opinion?

 

[KevinM]

Frozen, Gheb is with us LOL.

Anyways, I'm looking at a scum team currently of Mentos, Circus, Xiivi/Mcfox.

That's my belief.

Re-reading hard body.

 

[mentosman8]

So, the post I mentioned isn't going to be extremely long, but I did have a couple things to say. First and foremost, I would like to take the time to explain why I've been terrible this game. The fact that all of our lynches have been last minute or along the lines of "the clears support it so so should we!" makes it very hard to gather anything from them. That is what makes this game a lot more difficult: it becomes a lot more like EpicMafia follow the clears mindset instead of working together and individually to find scum. In the former, it is very easy for scum to hop wagons, and cause mislynches, especially with well placed incaps on people who find a townie most suspicious. It makes voting patterns a lot harder to gain information from. The latter forces the scum to push their own agenda, which makes them much easier to read.

Really, I am with Kevin that McFox is in my scumpool(which is why I placed my vote on him last night before removing it at Kev's request). Circus is also viable, since D1 I have gotten a pretty much neutral/slight scum read on him. Xiivi has looked iffy to me. I think if McFox were to flip scum Xiivi would look much worse(deflecting lynch away from scumbuddy by bringing up a really old argument). If Circus were to flip scum, I think Xiivi looks much better. I would have to see the flips to have a more solid read on him. I would say my third possibility would be either Pythag or Rockin, based on what I have read from everyone.

 

[Xiivi]

Here's your smiley Mayling! I promised I'd win in your memory!

Should be lynched today:
Circus: Covered to death by me. See #807 & #904 if you want a recap.

Mentos: Covered to death by Gheb (Circus/Mentos pairing), but this is the point I'd like to bring to the table (Feel free/highly encouraged to click links to posts, cut out stuff from quotes as I pleased.):

Mentos recent statement:

#1015

D2 was a Ronike lynch. Another lynch based on not the greatest reasoning that I disagreed with and refused to vote for.

vs.

Mentos' final D2 posts:

#562

#594

#622

In the meantime, still not sure what to think about Ronike, but kind of think one of him/Kevin are likely to be scum.

Before Lynch
----
Twilight

#735
(No content.)

Twilight
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Early D3 Posts:

#783 & #829 & #832 & #862 & #865

Only comment concerning Ronike:

I didn't get TvT vibes from Ronike v McFox, so it seems like a good place to put my vote.

I see no disapproval for the Ronike lynch from you anywhere. To the contrary, it seems as if you had him on your radar as scummy. It doesn't look like a simple case of you changing you mind either, with you saying Ronike v McFox did not give you a TvT impression. There was no attempt to divert the Ronike wagon, you simply rolled with it and moved onto his main attacker after his lynch.

Possible future lynches, perhaps lynchable today:
Cello: Mentos flipping scum would make me see Cello as very lynchable.

#1022

Cello enjoyed buddying mentos quickly at the start of Day 2 in Newbie Mafia 3. This post gives the same exact feeling, except with a clear instead of a dead player.

Also note possible Mentos connection:
#824 - Says a thing or two about McFox and prompts Mentos to respond.

There were a couple of other things, but I want to see what Mentos has to say first, and I'm outta time.

#832 - Mentos votes McFox shortly afterwards.

#841 - Cello follows onto McFox wagon in next post.

Pythag:

I have largely labeled Pythag as towniest of town for the majority of the game (mainly because he's always seemed to be on the same page as me), however his following quote and Mayling's seemingly random suspicion of him during her lynch had me give him a look over.

#1012

The last suspect I have in mind is honestly Xiivi, which pains me, because I've really really enjoyed his arguments for the entire game. I feel he makes really legit points, yet I could just be allowing myself to be led by scum, which isn't good. So I'm definitely watching him too.

I have not led you, you have followed me and used my opinions as justification for you actions for a majority of the game.

#493

I thoroughly support Xiivi statement.

Note Mentos also latched the statement this was referring to (#481) in #485http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9118681&postcount=489.

#676

Xiivi's post 181 REALLY caught my eye. I liked it a lot.

Xiivi's #181

Lynch Circus then lynch Ronike.

Or the other way around.

Maybe throw Gheb in there too.

Just lynch them all in any order, they need to die.

Yay Circus wagon is sex.

I did not breadcrumble there I had too many drinks. LOMJYI means nothing. Please don't kill me scum for finding you so fast, I deserve to win. Circus trying to reference an on-going game where I am also wagoning him where neither of us have our alignments confirmed was awful, especially when he buddied everyone else. He needs to die. I am a hard-*** worker at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and I am view this as a chance to let out my pent up anger. Hell yeah my role is cooler than Kev's.

I was drunk during this post. There was very little content in this post and mostly my opinions for top lynch candidates.

#707

unvote

Xiivi, why do you have to do this to me?

This is in reference to #701, however Pythag does not join the wagon I proposed and instead simply uses this as an excuse to leave the Ronike wagon when deadline is near.

#815

Xiivi presents the best case I've seen for uncaping someone. I like that a lot.
UnCap Kat

Once again I seem to be used as the reasoning for your actions.

Definitely should not be lynched today:
Rockin/Mediocre:

#213 & #466

I cannot see Rockin/Mediocre as scum if Circus & Mentos flip scum because of these posts and general D1 play from Mediocre.

#982

Don't take this offensively Rockin, but the times I've seen the word "useless" used to describe your playstyle, you have been town. (Perhaps "unconvincing" is a better word, such as your play in Getting Schooled Mafia.)

McFox:

#175

This is not the careful, meticulous McFox I saw in Anime Mafia. McFox was very willing to go around from player to player when he saw something small and get a response.

#227

This is probably the scummiest post from McFox in this game.

#232 & #258 & #278

I see no scummy intention in McFox's argument with Ronike. A lot of the reason the McFox/Ronike became viewed as TvS in my eyes was that Kevin sprung #282 on all of us, and allowed for the McFox/Ronike argument to dissolve. This is one of the reasons I said I preferred seeing Kevin's flip before McFox's/Ronike's.

Should never be lynched:
Xiivi: Why the **** do I want to lose? I'll lynch anyone who's not me.

Voting patterns:

[10] Vyse (Circus, Xiivi, Pythag, Cello_Marl)
[9] Ronike (McFox, Cello_Marl, Xiivi)
[8] Mayling (Xiivi, Pythag, Circus)

Here are all of the unclears who were on each wagon.

Circus: On two mislynches, D1 & D3. Openly opposed the Ronike lynch and quickly called it a pointless wagon the next day.

Mentosman8: Not on a single mislynch. Supported a No Lynch on D1, slightly nudged the Ronike wagon during D2 although now says he dissapproved, and seemingly supported, but missed, the Mayling lynch.

Cello_Marl: On the D1 & D2 mislynches. Ensured that Vyse got the hammer D1 & had the "I may not post again" vote on D2. Stuck strong to McFox on D3, assuming he had no interest in Circus/Mayling wagons.

Pythag: On the D1 & D3 mislynches. Missed being on the D2 lynch due to a last minute unvote as I noted before.

Rockin/Mediocre: Not on a single mislynch. Attempted to push Mentos lynch at the end of D1, and attempted to push a Gheb lynch at the end of D3. Sadly Rockin was not caught up with the game at the end of D2.

McFox: Only on the D2 mislynch. Stuck to his Ronike vote despite being present during the Vyse wagon on D1. Avoided Circus wagon, however after Mayling was lynched on D3 said he would have rather gone with Circus.

Xiivi: I have been on every mislynch. Apologies. No player was ever my top lynch choice, however I stand by choices regardless.

Voting record-wise, Mentos/RockinMediocre/McFox all have very good slates. Circus/Cello/Pythag do not. I obviously don't either. :/

Sorry for taking a while to get this together guys! I gave this game a reread and I'm kind of disinterested in this game at this point to be honest. From Cello's/Mentos's posts, I'm assuming if we mislynch again today we lose. I honestly haven't done/care about the math because following incaps&uncaps/trying to figure out why scum incapped three new people instead of Kataefi again isn't worth the time and just chasing ghosts. But yeah, I'm assuming if we lynch town we lose, and it seems two of the lynch favourites today (Circus/McFox) will result in my lynch/losing the game if they flip scum from what I'm seeing people say. So I'd much rather hit the possible 1/2/3 scum (Most likely scum team is Cello/Circus/Mentos with Circus/Mentos/Pythag as my next guess.) between Mentos/Cello/Pythag/Rockin because I'd rather not get mislynched if we hit scum (selfish, but whatever it's how this game was made).

So yeah, vote: mentos uncap: gheb.

I've had an uncap down at all times since D2 began. I've already explained my thoughts on uncapping and why I disagree with literally everyone else on the subject. Scum have no outside communication in this game, so I'm not worried about a quicklynch. Simply be cautious if you plan on putting someone at L-3. It also isn't a problem if you allow the clears the hold the hammer because 6 of the unclears would have to be voting another unclear for the lynch to occur. Sorry for going against the grain, just how I roll.

 

[Rockin]

I'm gonna catch up in a bit.

I skimmed at Xiivi's points, but atm I feel kinda hurt that my 'townplay' is mainly me being 'useless'. However, I'll say that I've been pretty **** useless in this game =/. Don't worry xiivi, I havn't been offended by what you said.

Hopefully, i'll shape up on this day

 

[mentosman8]

Xiivi, I didn't read your entire post thoroughly because, well, I just picked up Mass Effect 2 and it's playtime. But, in response to your comments on my "flip flop" stance on Ronike, saying that I'm not sure what to think of him doesn't mean that I support the lynch, it means that while I could see where people were coming from on him, it wasn't good enough reasoning for me to want to lynch him. On the other hand, my statement that one of you and him was scum still holds up to some extent(your game changed and it gives me second thoughts), and if I could have I would have rather lynched you that day than Ronike.

 

[KevinM]

I think I would go Mentos before Circus.

 

[McFox]

This is not the careful, meticulous McFox I saw in Anime Mafia.

And just in case anyone doesn't know, I was scum in Anime Mafia.

The lynch analysis is good Xiivi, just one thing that occurs to me. Mafia hasn't really needed to push, or even be a part of, mislynches so far in this game. A lot of people jumped to Vyse because frozen picked him as the candidate, Ronike was lynched mostly due to my interactions with him, and yesterday we again went with frozen's suggestion. So, if you are willing to accept that I'm town, then all scum has had to do is watch us shoot ourselves in the foot every day so far; maybe voting, maybe not. So I wouldn't clear anyone just because of their voting record yet. I agree that they're more likely to be on the lynches, but they could've easily stayed off.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think I would go Mentos before Circus.

Funny. I actually started to think that it's actually better to lynch Circus first XD

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Actually scratch that. After Xiivi's last post I'm even more convinced that mentos has to die toDay.

 

[KevinM]

Yeah that's what I was thinking myself Gheb.

Idk re-reading is really messing with my view.

But Mentos just seems so scummy currently.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Cello_scum are you done lurking?

 

[Cello_Marl]

It looks like I won't get an answer to my own question, so I'll just assume I was right.

Mentos said early on:

All assuming there's not some uber scum all hitting the same target. And as has been said, if there are 4 scum/4 separate incaps, 3 of them are lost after tomorrow and 1 could easily be killed off that night. We need as much info each day as possible so that those who are incapp'd can have a lot to work with in the small amount of time they are available.

Same deal as with Kevin. Didn't say anything indicating he would have wanted spread incaps. If anything, he would have preferred a spread, then all hit the same person to prevent clears from aiding scumhunting. Obviously, they haven't been exactly useful to that end so far, but we're talking about what we knew at the time.

Concerning Xiivi, seeing as how it appears at a cursory glance that at least two of you clears support his stance, it looks like he's trying to cut the legs out from under me. Even if I thought Mentos was scum, how can I support his lynch now? The very point he makes about McFox and Circus applies to me now, but with Mentos. If anything, that makes me think he would be scum using a chainsaw defense variation with Mentos, forcing me to defend Mentos to save myself. On that note, a question to Xiivi. Is your character male or female?

 

[KevinM]

Um Cello may you link me to what you said again, I'm rereading through various main points right now so I don't want to skim it by accident.

 

[Cello_Marl]

The question was, "Was I actually right in my analysis of you, or was I wrong and you happened to be a survivor anyway?"

The link for my analysis of you was #841. The portion directed at Rockin. I asked the question in the first place because I realized that Mentos would be the person most under scrutiny, or at least first, toDay when Gheb and he had their exchange on the 12th, and wanted to know if my thinking about you was accurate and could be applied to Mentos as well. If you had said I was wrong, then I'd start looking for something else, regardless of whether that implicates him as scum, or indicates he's a survivor.

I just realized your response was about 9 hours ago. Well, here it is if you missed it.

 

[KevinM]

It was decent, I mean a lot of the eccentrics are wrong but you got the basic gist of it.

Mcfox's post referencing the dart board is really bothering me.