kirby up-b super armor???

[yummynbeefy]

well i was fooling around in training mode with kirby and i put the cpu metaknight on attack and as i started up b it seemed to have super armor agenst the first strike of his fair cuz up-b finished even though he went from 72 to 75 without flinching

i dont know if it was super armor or not but either way its pretty cool

 

[Asdioh]

o_O

well THAT'S interesting..was it on the way up or down that you got hit?

 

[Dark Deku]

(@_@)

Well Brawl is a surprising game so this maybe is possible.

 

[yummynbeefy]

i think it was like as he was pulling the sword out i didnt even start moving when i got hit
wow i may have developed kirbys metagame without even seconding him haha

 

[NIN]

i have also noticed something like super armor when using up-b, but i cant exactly remember when in the animation it happened--ill try to mess around and experiment with it a bit sometime

 

[Delta Z]

Coulda swore that happened to my Kirby a few times...maybe we should look into this?

 

[yummynbeefy]

that would be cool even though im not part of the kirby community

man i feel special ive never developed any characters game or any techs for that matter yayyyyyyyy

now if only i could find something useful for pit

 

[Commander_Beef]

This is unbelieved.

 

[A1lion835]

o_O

I concur. o_O

We're gonna have to check this out... this could be really awesome.

 

[fromundaman]

Hmmm... I've been knocked out of FC so many times that if there are SA frames on it, they must be pretty short.

Are you sure you didn't just hit FC right after getting hit? I've had times when I get hit by a weak hit right as I'm using FC and it stops all momentum and just goes into the FC animation despite my damage going up.

 

[feardragon64]

Hmmm... I've been knocked out of FC so many times that if there are SA frames on it, they must be pretty short.

Are you sure you didn't just hit FC right after getting hit? I've had times when I get hit by a weak hit right as I'm using FC and it stops all momentum and just goes into the FC animation despite my damage going up.

The other possibility is that it's during a very useless time where usually you've already been hit out of it(assuming they were behind you) or they don't bother attacking you because they're in front and there's a giant blue sword thingy blocking their path.

I'm going to be gone for a few hours but an easy test:
Have Squirtle/ZSS stand behind Kirby as he up+b's and jab(1 frame) at various poiints in time during it. After that use Marth's fair(4 frames) to test the aerial parts of the up+b.

 

[yummynbeefy]

Hmmm... I've been knocked out of FC so many times that if there are SA frames on it, they must be pretty short.

Are you sure you didn't just hit FC right after getting hit? I've had times when I get hit by a weak hit right as I'm using FC and it stops all momentum and just goes into the FC animation despite my damage going up.

that might have happened but it definately looked like a hit as i started it

i dunno it was a few days ago in training mode and i dont quite remember because i have no capture card or replay video proof

 

[Yoshi-Kirby]

0.o

If that happened, Kirby must have super armor, I don't know when you could use it, cuz it must be short and difficult to time.

But that is pretty cool though.

 

[1nconspikuous]

honestly, this could be big _if_ it's true.
make it happen! =)

 

[fromundaman]

Not really. Even if it's true (which I honestly doubt), then it's so ridiculously hard to time that it doesn't matter. You're still going to get the **** beat out of you if you get hit as FC starts.

 

[A1lion835]

I've done some testing, and I haven't found any super armor.

 

[CaliburChamp]

FC definitly doesn't have any super armor.

 

[MyCurse4Life]

very.....urrmmm interesting

 

[fromundaman]

I think he might have been accidentally playing Ike XD

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

It was probably a phantom hit. Look it up if you don't know what it is.

You didn't discover anything, sorry. Kirby's FA doesn't have super armor.

 

[Dual Kirby]

this is pretty interesting we have too look into this...

 

[fromundaman]

We already did... read the posts before yours... There is no SA.

 

[kevinw0w]

this is pretty interesting we have too look into this...

 

[Pink murder]

I've tested as well... no SA :/

 

[Dabuz]

you know what does have super armor though, kirbies down b, i heard the armor is so super that the only way to make it fair was to make kirby vulnerable before and after, so if thats not top tier super armor, then idk what is

 

[Pink murder]

You can blow kirby away from his vB if the attack was i think over 30%...but who can take more than 30% in one single blow? xD
So yea, guess it is super armor

 

[A1lion835]

Um... about the down b... I actually might've actually discovered something interesing. When you transform out, you still have rock armor, but I'm pretty sure nothing can hit you out. It's when the rock particle-things are still around you when you come out.

 

[Pink murder]

Hey thats pretty cool! I dont see how it can be very usefull though, seeing as hardly anyone anticipates kirby's vB into their moveset :/.

 

[A1lion835]

hardly anyone anticipates kirby's vB into their moveset :/.

Um... yea. No one does. Heh. Right?

 

[Pink murder]

Well i do...kinda xD
I use it in two ways.
1.When theyre trying to recover from the bottom, i transform and hit them to thier deaths. (I usually only do it when theyre at a high %, to insure their death)
2.I often use it as a mindgame killing move. They're coming from the corner, if i see them floating to me, i jump just the right distance and transform, they usually land right where my rock is gonna hit and then BAM!

My uses are both hard to explain :/
It would be better if you could see them.

 

[yummynbeefy]

i think it was a phantom hit as the guy said

so i guess this should sink, man i was exited i though i really found something

 

[A1lion835]

I use it more than the conventional kirby would. I love using it. But I only use it when there's a good opportunity. Believe it or not, my stone gets stale sometimes.

 

[Pink murder]

Believe it or not, my stone gets stale sometimes.

Lol, you use it that much?! XD
Bet you get punished for it though

 

[A1lion835]

Not often, but it sometimes happens. Mostly when I'm in TB's. Sometimes, there are just a lot of good times to use it.

 

[Wanderer7]

honestly, this could be big _if_ it's true.
make it happen! =)

ummm no. not a chance. i play Ike, second Kirby. Ike has much more SA frames in Aether, we don't really use that much to attack because its so predictable, if you miss the aether you've just given your opponent plenty of time to get behind you, charge up their strongest attack. aether's SA is mostly useful for recovering. the only time Ike can use aether to attack well is when we use it to surprise opponents (like in a situation when Ike would USUALLY jab or Uair we can switch it with aether only to mix it up).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIMgVnNsp8

watch the edge battle 50 seconds into the match. even IF Kirby did have like 1 SA frame, just imagine the insane timing needed to use it there.

 

[Asdioh]

You can blow kirby away from his vB if the attack was i think over 30%...but who can take more than 30% in one single blow? xD
So yea, guess it is super armor

It's not in a single blow, it's total.

It works unlike anything else in the game. Once you accumulate 30% or more while in Stone form, you take the knockback from the last hit, and it transforms you back, but you don't take damage.

2 easy ways to see this (I'm sure there are plenty more, like Bob-ombs, don't they do 30%?)
1: go to New Pork City, turn into a Stone on top of that big monster. It will dominate you and send you flying, and you'll die at 0% (if you don't walltech or whatever)
His attack normally does what, 200%?
2. Go into a custom stage with spikes and turn into a Stone on the spikes. Each spike hit does 15%. After 2, it will untransform you and you'll fly up the normal amount, but take no damage.

Lol, you use it that much?! XD
Bet you get punished for it though

Yes, yes he does.

It's hard to punish it on wifi sometimes, when you think "surely he won't use rock AGAIN"

-_-

/slaplion

 

[Pink murder]

It's not in a single blow, it's total...Once you accumulate 30% or more while in Stone form, you take the knockback from the last hit, and it transforms you back, but you don't take damage.

Well then i guess its quite the oppisite of super armor
You take the knockback but dont take damage.
Meh, rather have it like that anyway

 

[1nconspikuous]

ummm no. not a chance. i play Ike, second Kirby. Ike has much more SA frames in Aether, we don't really use that much to attack because its so predictable, if you miss the aether you've just given your opponent plenty of time to get behind you, charge up their strongest attack. aether's SA is mostly useful for recovering. the only time Ike can use aether to attack well is when we use it to surprise opponents (like in a situation when Ike would USUALLY jab or Uair we can switch it with aether only to mix it up).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIMgVnNsp8

watch the edge battle 50 seconds into the match. even IF Kirby did have like 1 SA frame, just imagine the insane timing needed to use it there.

that was pretty cool, actually.

anyway i wasn't suggesting that kirby would use it all the time, but sometimes it's nice to have options. especially when recovering. and any SA frames would be good, even if it's only to deal some damage when you're at 190% or something. plus FC's wave pushes the enemy up, down, then away, so it'd be good for spacing.

but yeah, the timing would be insanely stupid and kirby has better options - but another one wouldn't hurt.

 

[A1lion835]

Yes, yes he does.

It's hard to punish it on wifi sometimes, when you think "surely he won't use rock AGAIN"

-_-

/slaplion

Hey! I use it less when I'm playing good people. It's hard to adjust... I've been playing so many people who I can just dash up to and hammer (they expect a dash attack or grab) or stone slide forever on Yoshi's Island. BTW Asdioh, that might be my new favorite stage. NOT brinstar. Yea. You heard me right. BRINSTAR ISN'T MY FAVORITE STAGE. Whatcha gonna do about that? Huh? Huh? Nothing. That's right.

 

[Pink murder]

...BTW Asdioh, that might be my new favorite stage. NOT brinstar. Yea. You heard me right. BRINSTAR ISN'T MY FAVORITE STAGE. Whatcha gonna do about that? Huh? Huh? Nothing. That's right.

I find it funny that he actually didnt do anything xD