Kirby MetaGame discussion

[Asdioh]

I'm not sure.

And I noticed that one time you couldn't hit me with Snake's Dair after I used Copy...I'm guessing you were using the C-stick or something. To use Dairs effectively, what I did was hold down on the control stick and spam the A button.

Kirbys need to know this list for 2 reasons:

1. To know when you could possibly get punished for successfully using a move (-_-)

2. Mindgames! You Starshot someone that you think will punish you with a laggy move, bam. 10% damage to them, and you get to punish. Example: Toon Link. Hit A instead of B or down, and he tries to punish your Copy with Dair, but you didn't use Copy, you used Starshot. And now he's stuck in the ground, asking to be punished

 

[A1lion835]

...Or he's falling to his doom, unless he conveniently is holding a bomb that's about to explode and figures out a way to dair while holding it (if that was possible in that situation, it's probably a computer).

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah, that too.

You can Z drop a bomb and recatch it with Dair, but yeah, that's not going to happen.

 

[A1lion835]

Yea, and if it so conveniently was about to explode.

 

[fromundaman]

Actually, good TLs do just that. Well, I've seen Quivo do it anyway...


For Peach, wouldn't all she need to do be hold up to buffer a float then hit down on the C-stick? (Or am I wrong and it doesn't work that way?)

Also, did you test Ike's Eruption? It has a hitbox below him, so that might hit.


Also, I haven't tried this at all, and it's a wacky idea that just came to me now, but are there any characters on whom we can follow swallow with anything? (Like Bair or something.)

 

[Sosuke]

2. Mindgames! You Starshot someone that you think will punish you with a laggy move, bam. 10% damage to them, and you get to punish. Example: Toon Link. Hit A instead of B or down, and he tries to punish your Copy with Dair, but you didn't use Copy, you used Starshot. And now he's stuck in the ground, asking to be punished

Or if your facing the edge and are near it.
Free kill.



Eruption didn't work.

 

[aqua421]

earlier today when i was playing my friend, we were on pokemon stadium and i inhaled him and shot him out under the stage, he hit the stage but instead of breaking out of the star, the star bounced off the stage and went down before he broke out.

 

[Asdioh]

O_O

Pokemon Stadium is so evil.

And no, you can't followup anything after Inhale.

With some characters, they can get a major floaty boost after being Copied. Like Jigglypuff and Kirby...I'm not sure what I did, maybe I was just doing Dair, but I could make her go up twice as high after she was Copied.

 

[Sosuke]

Peach went to the top of the screen after inhale when I was holding down (I think it was down. Maybe up?).

Maybe you can use that as a kill move? =D
lolz.

 

[A1lion835]

earlier today when i was playing my friend, we were on pokemon stadium and i inhaled him and shot him out under the stage, he hit the stage but instead of breaking out of the star, the star bounced off the stage and went down before he broke out.

That's supposed to happen.

 

[aqua421]

That's supposed to happen.

oh really? normaly when i shoot them at the stage they break out of the star when they hit the stage

 

[A1lion835]

oh really? normaly when i shoot them at the stage they break out of the star when they hit the stage

It depends how far away you are. If you're close, they get stage spiked (with set knockback) while in star form. If you're far away, they break out when they hit it.

 

[aqua421]

oh i didnt know that, thanks for making that clear

 

[fromundaman]

Peach went to the top of the screen after inhale when I was holding down (I think it was down. Maybe up?).

Maybe you can use that as a kill move? =D
lolz.

You probably did that weird footstool jump off of Kirby.

Thanks for the info on Eruption/

 

[Pink murder]

And no, you can't followup anything after Inhale.

Cant you follow up with a grab or jab if you're moving forward and let them break free?
They break free right in front of you and you can grab/jab them from there.
Really predictable though >.>. Usually only works the first and/or second time. After that i just spit them out and try one of my aerials .

 

[Asdioh]

I meant after using Copy, but if you're talking about the "grab release" from Inhale, there may be possibilities. I haven't been able to test it much.

 

[1nconspikuous]

that's actually an interesting idea. i wonder what it could lead to...

 

[Pink murder]

Lol i use it all the time ^^
But that's mostly because most of the people on my list are dumb enough to fall for it again and again
I never use it more than twice in a serious match though. Like i said its waay to predictable >.>.

 

[DFat2]

I meant after using Copy, but if you're talking about the "grab release" from Inhale, there may be possibilities. I haven't been able to test it much.

This is only good Vs. DeDeDe. You could release into Fsmash and since the only thing DDD could do that is fast enough to hit is Dtilt, it either clashes or Hits him.

I thought this was already known... > . >U

 

[1nconspikuous]

This is only good Vs. DeDeDe. You could release into Fsmash and since the only thing DDD could do that is fast enough to hit is Dtilt, it either clashes or Hits him.

I thought this was already known... > . >U

only D3? what about ness/lucas's weird grab release animation? wario's? and aren't there faster attacks than the fsmash that could possibly work? (dsmash comes to mind.)

 

[Pink murder]

I find that it hardly ever works on wario :/
When he breaks free he often somehow slides to your other side >.>

 

[1nconspikuous]

and can't D3 shield?

 

[|RK|]

I really think that any new things discovered should be put in the OP. Otherwise, valuable things get lost. I wish I could help my old main's metagame along... but if I want to be tourney viable, I need my Lucario to go up... well, check the Tactical forum for info on momentum cancelling and DI. I'm sure you guys can translate it into something valuable for a light character like Kirby...

 

[A1lion835]

Uh...RK Joker...

I take it you haven't been here in a while. Or ever, as your join date seems to indicate.

 

[DFat2]

only D3? what about ness/lucas's weird grab release animation? wario's? and aren't there faster attacks than the fsmash that could possibly work? (dsmash comes to mind.)

Dood, all I did was mention a possible way to KO a DDD. And even so, it depends on the opponent's reflexes. You can how ever do Vulcan Jab out of it, and it will always hit first.

It can be done to other characters, but since Ness and Lucas have quick jabs, they probably hit you if you try to Fsmash, and they can react before you can (I think).

You don't have to take it literally, their all just possibilities. If you want to give them usefulness, go nuts, by all means.

 

[platiepoos]

but if I want to be tourney viable, I need my Lucario to go up...

Whaddya mean Kirby isn't tournament viable? Chudat placed 7th at the last big tourney.
And plus, M2K says he can.

 

[|RK|]

Didn't say Kirby wasn't viable. But Lucario's my best, so I have to focus on him now.

 

[fromundaman]

Good for you. You don't need to come in a metagame discussion to tell us this. GL with Lucario though.

Nice idea Dfat1! The more we can surprise our opponent with, the better.
Do you get control of Kirby back faster than they et control of their player though?

 

[TheFast]

Im heading out to a tourney latter. Ill post the results even though ill probably be pretty far behind in the placings. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=185705&page=140

 

[Pink murder]

Do you get control of Kirby back faster than they et control of their player though?

If you talking about the grab release from inhale, then no. Most of the time they can roll away before you grab them. A vulcan jab can also usually be shielded. But the beauty of it is that it's so unexpected, that they usually stand still or try to smash you the first and/or second time you try it, leaving you enough time to grab or jab them ^^.

 

[TheFast]

Yah i didnt do well cuz i didnt enter singles and in teams my parnter accidently killed himself alot. Ended up in alot of 2vs1 matches. I would always come very close i won one where it was My Team (2 stocks,0stocks) Them (2 stocks, 2 stocks) and I pulled it back.

 

[Allied]

Yah i didnt do well cuz i didnt enter singles and in teams my parnter accidently killed himself alot. Ended up in alot of 2vs1 matches. I would always come very close i won one where it was My Team (2 stocks,0stocks) Them (2 stocks, 2 stocks) and I pulled it back.

that sucks im sorry to hear, who was your partner's character?

 

[|RK|]

Better yet, I have an idea...

 

[fromundaman]

ah I see... I guess getting control back first would have been too good...

 

[aextreme73]

hm...im trying to improve my kirby game and this discussion seems to develop great strategies...
so help? im accused of spamming f-smashes, although im trying to get aerials down better...
my friends went to a tournament this saturday, and saw chudat play as kirby
anyone care to describe his style...examine what works and what doesn't?

 

[fromundaman]

I think it would be easier for you to look for a video of him or other good Kirbies playing, make a video of yourself playing a few matches and submit them to the "rate my Kirby" thread, or just look through the aforementioned thread and look at what people critique on and try to apply it to your own gameplay.

 

[momochuu]

It's more about Chu being a really smart player, if anything.

About spamming FSmash, don't do it. It should mainly be used as a kill move or a "GTFO Move". Hope this helped. =^_^=

 

[aextreme73]

thanks a lot, we just got a capture card, ill be sure to send some stuff, hopefully improve a lot too

 

[Pink murder]

About spamming FSmash, don't do it. It should mainly be used as a kill move or a "GTFO Move". Hope this helped. =^_^=

You have no idea how much this has helped me
Definitely keep your Fsmash fresh and use it as a kill move.

 

[A1lion835]

Um...has anyone else started using utilt>utilt>bair>bair>fsmash a lot?

I've done this a number of times on the ladder, including once on ADHD (who's like, #3).