dskank
Smash Journeyman
y is bowser a dusknoir lol
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Inferno's Decarde, The Bowser Video & Critique Thread
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B!squick
Smash Master
*watches the first matches of the first two new Ixis vids*
Geez, was he half asleep or something? Don't get me wrong KJ, it's not like I'm expecting him to mop the floor with you or something, but I just had to shake my head constantly as I watched and cringed. I kept thinking: why did he do that? Why didn't he do this? Most notably it seems he forgot that Bowser has a normal grab, not just the special one.
Mind you, when he did things right, he did them beautifully, especially in the first game of the third vid. But still, so many things he could have done different. Like Bowser Bomb to the ledge, where was that?
*watches second game of the third vid*
There we go, that was much cleaner.
*game three*
Opportunity knocked, but Ixis didn't answer the door a couple times. That will cost you.
*...*
Eh. I know I haven't seen, like, half of the vids, but just from the ones that I saw I think I can pretty well gage how they turn out. I think he needs to slow down a bit or something. Maybe try playing a different character. Variety is the spice of life and it might be a good idea to 'know thy enemy' to kinda help with decision making and whatnot. Maybe take a break and come back to Bowser with a fresh perspective. I don't know.
Geez, was he half asleep or something? Don't get me wrong KJ, it's not like I'm expecting him to mop the floor with you or something, but I just had to shake my head constantly as I watched and cringed. I kept thinking: why did he do that? Why didn't he do this? Most notably it seems he forgot that Bowser has a normal grab, not just the special one.
Mind you, when he did things right, he did them beautifully, especially in the first game of the third vid. But still, so many things he could have done different. Like Bowser Bomb to the ledge, where was that?
*watches second game of the third vid*
There we go, that was much cleaner.
*game three*
Opportunity knocked, but Ixis didn't answer the door a couple times. That will cost you.
*...*
Eh. I know I haven't seen, like, half of the vids, but just from the ones that I saw I think I can pretty well gage how they turn out. I think he needs to slow down a bit or something. Maybe try playing a different character. Variety is the spice of life and it might be a good idea to 'know thy enemy' to kinda help with decision making and whatnot. Maybe take a break and come back to Bowser with a fresh perspective. I don't know.
KillerJawz
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Haha it's cool. I do agree with you on some points, and I should add that while we were playing we were laughing so hard it was getting hideously difficult to concentrate. I think his ledge game can use some work. He had plenty of opportunities to ftilt me or bair but never took the openings.
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
Yeah KJ you can add the ditto up there, no one would really care.
Because all of the big tournaments/the one New York tournament that I actually could have made is/are during my school period (FMFL) I'm uploading a large bulk of WiFi matches I had against a friend of mine. I think it was around 3 AM that we were playing, and I was tired as hell so I wasn't really top notch. Although through the majority of the matches I seemed to be kinda dominating, he is a really skilled Link, with a few player issues he needs to work out, but I already spoke to him about that. Him and I had a really long Bowser vs Link MU convo, and...I don't think I saved it, but if I did I'll post it on the MU thread.
My grab releasing is garbs on this **** lmao.
I think it's like 15 matches or something like that, I'll post them all when I'm done recording etc. so far I have 8 and they're on YT.
Because all of the big tournaments/the one New York tournament that I actually could have made is/are during my school period (FMFL) I'm uploading a large bulk of WiFi matches I had against a friend of mine. I think it was around 3 AM that we were playing, and I was tired as hell so I wasn't really top notch. Although through the majority of the matches I seemed to be kinda dominating, he is a really skilled Link, with a few player issues he needs to work out, but I already spoke to him about that. Him and I had a really long Bowser vs Link MU convo, and...I don't think I saved it, but if I did I'll post it on the MU thread.
My grab releasing is garbs on this **** lmao.
I think it's like 15 matches or something like that, I'll post them all when I'm done recording etc. so far I have 8 and they're on YT.
B!squick
Smash Master
Oh, pfft, what were you laughing about? You're Brits, so I can only assume it was Benny Hill, right? XP
As for myself, if you ever EVER see me play it will obviously be while I'm drunk.
KillerJawz
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*Doesn't even know who Benny Hill is*
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Shoot, I don't even know who Benny Hill is.
B!squick
Smash Master
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXOp5Cp_Fkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gkdv_2UI4I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em2XIeC1yxQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjRZxsX63rM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UckWM_fxWs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvBv47yEUTA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8SzVeqWDY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36DCfOqeBCA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VpeM-ITWq4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X40Fkj7LT2w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgyxPslP8U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYmLpu87xU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwRGpbix3NI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwoP2MHvcA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_vKOutCQ8s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VJhqe49POk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkqeqoig4GI&feature=related
sigh...17 games against my good friend, an MD/VA Link on wifi.
probably would have been better to have played Kirin instead, but I couldn't get myself to anything over this break, so I spent a night doing this/playing him.
games were played at like 4AM, so on top of my grab releasing not being top notch, I also wasn't fully awake, nor was he...there are a few SDs in that whole set, but then again it is Link, lmao. I think half of the matches are high % 2 stocks, but pick your poison to watch. I guess I start to lose my edge/he picks up the slack towards the end matches, idk.
critique if you'd like, the way i use bowser on wifi isn't exactly the same offline though lol.
I need to stop airdodge > utilt'ing all the damn time though...lol I feel as though it seems to obvious when I go for UpTilts, I think that's the one thing I do offline as well.
and yeah, it was confirmed, Redemption was moved to 2/25, so I don't have anything I can make it to....AGAIN. **** school.
im gonna start goin to *****s houses now, **** being inactive because of school/no tournaments. i can't deal with this, and i can't wait one more year. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gkdv_2UI4I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em2XIeC1yxQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjRZxsX63rM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UckWM_fxWs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvBv47yEUTA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8SzVeqWDY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36DCfOqeBCA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VpeM-ITWq4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X40Fkj7LT2w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgyxPslP8U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYmLpu87xU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwRGpbix3NI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwoP2MHvcA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_vKOutCQ8s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VJhqe49POk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkqeqoig4GI&feature=related
sigh...17 games against my good friend, an MD/VA Link on wifi.
probably would have been better to have played Kirin instead, but I couldn't get myself to anything over this break, so I spent a night doing this/playing him.
games were played at like 4AM, so on top of my grab releasing not being top notch, I also wasn't fully awake, nor was he...there are a few SDs in that whole set, but then again it is Link, lmao. I think half of the matches are high % 2 stocks, but pick your poison to watch. I guess I start to lose my edge/he picks up the slack towards the end matches, idk.
critique if you'd like, the way i use bowser on wifi isn't exactly the same offline though lol.
I need to stop airdodge > utilt'ing all the damn time though...lol I feel as though it seems to obvious when I go for UpTilts, I think that's the one thing I do offline as well.
and yeah, it was confirmed, Redemption was moved to 2/25, so I don't have anything I can make it to....AGAIN. **** school.
im gonna start goin to *****s houses now, **** being inactive because of school/no tournaments. i can't deal with this, and i can't wait one more year. lol
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
thats a pretty good bowser, but i think whoevers playing (are you the bowser player??) should roll and spot dodge more to evade snake's attacks
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Yes, I'm the bowser.
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
you need to stop airdodging vs a snake and just klaw down as you're falling.
if he's cooking a grenade/anything, even if he's remotely close to you, you'll grab him, and it's better/safer than the klaw because of the output you get (snake's in the air/offstage, you damage him and can do w/e now etc)
if he's cooking a grenade/anything, even if he's remotely close to you, you'll grab him, and it's better/safer than the klaw because of the output you get (snake's in the air/offstage, you damage him and can do w/e now etc)
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
If you wanna Klaw Hop, change up its trajectory more. You usually just Klaw Hopped in place as opposed to Klaw Hopping forward or backward.
If Snake likes to ftilt, either shield the first hit so you can GR him or just fsmash him.
If Snake likes to ftilt, either shield the first hit so you can GR him or just fsmash him.
B!squick
Smash Master
To add to that, I think you should roll and spot dodge more. Remember that Bowser has a lot in common with Lucario, DeDeDe, ROB, and Ganondorf. 
But yeah, make better use of Klaw and shield. You pretty much need to just forget Bowser has a roll and spot dodge, you'll be better off. Nice DI near the end at that one part. I can't get the exact time at the moment as YouTube seems to have died. :/
But yeah, make better use of Klaw and shield. You pretty much need to just forget Bowser has a roll and spot dodge, you'll be better off. Nice DI near the end at that one part. I can't get the exact time at the moment as YouTube seems to have died. :/
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Got a few videos recorded at tonight's fest, including a super hype super clutch match against my Olimar buddy.
Should be up in a few days tops.
I'm also working on a sexy combo video on my new HP workstation.
Should be up in a few days tops.
I'm also working on a sexy combo video on my new HP workstation.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Matches are up! These are against SkyPirateCoud, my Olimar buddy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIaG6hTxWXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wh9l6yxTf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkxfA8ERNI
First match's ending got so much hype.
I feel a lot more comfortable with the Olimar MU than I used to, but I hate hate HATE Lylat Cruise against Olimar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIaG6hTxWXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wh9l6yxTf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkxfA8ERNI
First match's ending got so much hype.
I feel a lot more comfortable with the Olimar MU than I used to, but I hate hate HATE Lylat Cruise against Olimar.
Clai
Smash Lord
Limit asked me to upload everything from Polybrawl with his Bowser in it, and after taking a while, I finally did it. Here you go, Limit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMzsxtn4X_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLCFNFwe4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwmET6M8F5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMzsxtn4X_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLCFNFwe4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwmET6M8F5c
Clai
Smash Lord
There were a bunch of team replays and such, but I didn't look them up to see who was in them. I uploaded every replay that was relevant.
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
http://www.justin.tv/nekonekoxd/b/278084755
some videos from the tournament kingkong and i were at yesterday (pharoah's judgment):
-near the end of part 1, there are tournament sets of me vs tin man (olimar), me vs patches (g&w), and then a bunch of friendly games vs sauc3 (mk)
-like 20 mins into part 2 of the stream is kingkong vs gichan (wario), and unfortunately i think this is the only tourney set kingkong played on the livestream
the video gets choppy and there were sets of both of us recorded on other stations im pretty sure so ill make a post again once theyre uploaded to youtube
some videos from the tournament kingkong and i were at yesterday (pharoah's judgment):
-near the end of part 1, there are tournament sets of me vs tin man (olimar), me vs patches (g&w), and then a bunch of friendly games vs sauc3 (mk)
-like 20 mins into part 2 of the stream is kingkong vs gichan (wario), and unfortunately i think this is the only tourney set kingkong played on the livestream
the video gets choppy and there were sets of both of us recorded on other stations im pretty sure so ill make a post again once theyre uploaded to youtube
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
only 1 thing
if youre money matching a top mk player in a region, make sure to play him on castle siege so you can air release chaingrab him off the side of the map for the win
if youre money matching a top mk player in a region, make sure to play him on castle siege so you can air release chaingrab him off the side of the map for the win
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Castle Siege is so good for Bowser.
I'm glad to hear both you and KK did so well!
I'm glad to hear both you and KK did so well!
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
personally i hate the stage and its usually one of my first stage strikes
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Really? CS is normally where I take people if they ban Brinstar, or if they're MK or Samus.
The quality is pretty bad but I've started watching. Olimar does seem like one of Bowser's hardest matchups. He doesn't even have to try to hit Bowser lol. Charizard seems pretty bad at the matchup too.http://www.justin.tv/nekonekoxd/b/278084755
some videos from the tournament kingkong and i were at yesterday (pharoah's judgment):
-near the end of part 1, there are tournament sets of me vs tin man (olimar), me vs patches (g&w), and then a bunch of friendly games vs sauc3 (mk)
-like 20 mins into part 2 of the stream is kingkong vs gichan (wario), and unfortunately i think this is the only tourney set kingkong played on the livestream
the video gets choppy and there were sets of both of us recorded on other stations im pretty sure so ill make a post again once theyre uploaded to youtube
You barely used FTilt at all VS Patches, is aerial klaw really that much better in the matchup (honest question)? Nice suicide finishers.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
I definitely prefer ftilt over Klaw against GW.
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
he kept trying to come in with bairs so i was just stepping out of the bair range and jumping in with klaw, and it was working
looking back i definitely didnt use ftilt enough though i agree
looking back i definitely didnt use ftilt enough though i agree
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
yeah, ftilt trades with BAir, and if you're not sure FTilt is fast enough you could just jab after BAir is done or something..
idk where sharkboy is at but he needs to update this thread..lol
youtube stalking led to me finding more kingkong videos, he had a mm vs a falco:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tU_nYd0nzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-9GFVtEVE
you guys can watch it for yourself, but i was annoyed at the lack of aerial klaw usage, especially when the Falco was on one of the BF platforms. he kept on using BAir instead of using the move that disregards and jumps over shielding or whatever the opponent wants to do on a platform.
during the first game i kept saying "where's the aerial klaw at", but he did fairly decently, and then the second match was..something else. lol
idk where sharkboy is at but he needs to update this thread..lol
youtube stalking led to me finding more kingkong videos, he had a mm vs a falco:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tU_nYd0nzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-9GFVtEVE
you guys can watch it for yourself, but i was annoyed at the lack of aerial klaw usage, especially when the Falco was on one of the BF platforms. he kept on using BAir instead of using the move that disregards and jumps over shielding or whatever the opponent wants to do on a platform.
during the first game i kept saying "where's the aerial klaw at", but he did fairly decently, and then the second match was..something else. lol
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Yeah, I saw that set last week. Didn't seem like KK punished Falco offstage enough.
_Rated D.R.K_
Smash Apprentice
Falco had that home field advantage in the second match
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
vs. Zifien (Zamus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcUXygjJyN0
I don't play against Zamus yet, so I'm afraid I run into way too many of her attacks, namely side B. Any critique would be legit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcUXygjJyN0
I don't play against Zamus yet, so I'm afraid I run into way too many of her attacks, namely side B. Any critique would be legit.
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
it's hard to critique on counterpicks, and the zss didn't really seem that good, but when she whiffs grabs like that, you can just fsmash her or something, the lag is that bad. i learned that from playing sfp, i would always rush in and grab but it took me a while to realize how heinous it is for a zsuit to miss a grab.
just powershield side bs. i mean, it's easier said than done and if you arent within grab range when you ps/psc a downsmash or jab will probably follow, but otherwise you should be fine.
rolling is still bad. but at least you don't spotdodge a lot with him, that would be worse lol.
just powershield side bs. i mean, it's easier said than done and if you arent within grab range when you ps/psc a downsmash or jab will probably follow, but otherwise you should be fine.
rolling is still bad. but at least you don't spotdodge a lot with him, that would be worse lol.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
I have a bad habit of uploading videos where I accidentally input rolls, haha.
Thanks for the advice, Limit--I'm sure I'll get the MU down better.
Thanks for the advice, Limit--I'm sure I'll get the MU down better.
B!squick
Smash Master
Oh come now, it wasn't that bad, was it? Sure, there were BAirs when he should have Klawed and DAirs when he should have... done anything else, really and he could have done more to keep Falco off stage, but for the most part, I thought he did... okay.
It just felt really wrong, even without pinpointing stuff. What's funny is from previous videos I used to think KingKong klawed too much, but that it worked out for him because his opponents weren't that efficient at stopping it.