Maniclysane
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Charizard is the sexiest charactor in the game. Nair to grab allllll dai.
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Inactivity: Jigglypuff's Anime Club
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Noobicidal
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Well, I got Platinum yesterday.
Somewhat related: For you Poketards who need Shaymin, Oak's Letter is being gifted from Nintendo for two more days.
Somewhat related: For you Poketards who need Shaymin, Oak's Letter is being gifted from Nintendo for two more days.
g-regulate
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so im the greatest jiggs player to ever live, lets discuss that
Cia
das kwl
pics or it didn't happen
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The statement "Jigglypuff sucks" is so blatantly wrong for multiple reasons. This character is very obviously not bottom tier, or low tier for that matter. She has the tools and qualities to be a lower-mid tier character.
The classic arguments that I hear against this character is that she has no weight, and she can't kill. Now it is true she dies earlier than everyone else, but people overlook something that is over 9000x more important.
Superior mobility
That's right. Jigglypuff is famous for her air mobility. The reason why Wario in fact is top tier is because his mobility gives him an amazing zoning and punish game. Jigglypuff is no exception to the rule that high mobility = good thing, except her punish tools are just a fair bit weaker. However, unlike most characters that actually deserve the title of low tier, Jigglypuff is very very good at staying safe. As long as you can stay safe, you don't need to get hit. Simple as that.
And stop telling me this character can't kill. Her kill options are actually decent. Drillrest kills people at like 80%. Learn hit confirmation and watch for the trip, and it owns. Rollout is a very stupid attack that is hard for most characters to punish significantly, and it also kills people at like 80%. Her F-smash has decent knockback and range, and her aerials are all really good for edgeguarding. Oh right, doesn't Jigglypuff have an S tier recovery? Abuse that. Edgeguard with it.
Better yet, this character can actually camp. It is very difficult to stop Jigglypuff from edgestalling or air camping. Get in a hit and stall the timer. You can actually do that.
As far as I'm concerned, this character is clearly better than Fox, Sonic, Bowser, Ness, Yoshi, Lucas, Ike, Zelda, Link, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf. Hence, Jigglypuff is very much at least lower-mid tier.
Now please stop being emo about this character. It's plain idiotic. Just get better at this game for crying out loud.
The classic arguments that I hear against this character is that she has no weight, and she can't kill. Now it is true she dies earlier than everyone else, but people overlook something that is over 9000x more important.
Superior mobility
That's right. Jigglypuff is famous for her air mobility. The reason why Wario in fact is top tier is because his mobility gives him an amazing zoning and punish game. Jigglypuff is no exception to the rule that high mobility = good thing, except her punish tools are just a fair bit weaker. However, unlike most characters that actually deserve the title of low tier, Jigglypuff is very very good at staying safe. As long as you can stay safe, you don't need to get hit. Simple as that.
And stop telling me this character can't kill. Her kill options are actually decent. Drillrest kills people at like 80%. Learn hit confirmation and watch for the trip, and it owns. Rollout is a very stupid attack that is hard for most characters to punish significantly, and it also kills people at like 80%. Her F-smash has decent knockback and range, and her aerials are all really good for edgeguarding. Oh right, doesn't Jigglypuff have an S tier recovery? Abuse that. Edgeguard with it.
Better yet, this character can actually camp. It is very difficult to stop Jigglypuff from edgestalling or air camping. Get in a hit and stall the timer. You can actually do that.
As far as I'm concerned, this character is clearly better than Fox, Sonic, Bowser, Ness, Yoshi, Lucas, Ike, Zelda, Link, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf. Hence, Jigglypuff is very much at least lower-mid tier.
Now please stop being emo about this character. It's plain idiotic. Just get better at this game for crying out loud.
Cia
das kwl
Who's emo about Jigglypuff?
And Sonic is a lot more evasive than Jigglypuff.
And Sonic is a lot more evasive than Jigglypuff.
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Jigglypuff however can actually plank effectively, and has much less commitment to jumps than Sonic does.
Plus, she can actually set up kills. Sonic can't.
Some dude who co-mains Ganondorf claims Jigglypuff is also bottom tier, so I'm here to dispel that myth.
Plus, she can actually set up kills. Sonic can't.
Some dude who co-mains Ganondorf claims Jigglypuff is also bottom tier, so I'm here to dispel that myth.
I agree that Jigglypuff is pretty underrated, but you have to face the facts: Jigglypuff has a hard time killing. With SDI + great risk, drillrest is not very reliable, and really only usable at low percents. I wish it killed that early, but sadly...
rollout sucks. Shield+punish. Rollout is good if an attack caused the opponent to get knocked over, though.
Fsmash sucks. If it doesn't, I need someone to prove me wrong (I never use it).
Jigglypuff needs to keep her fair and/or dash attack fresh in order to get kills, otherwise she has to rely on gimps for kills. Jigglypuff has some mobility, but when it comes to attacking and approaching other characters, that's when it gets difficult.
Jigglypuff has good lower end MUs, but jiggs' higher end matchups are just too bad. I think jiggs should not be in bottom tier, but definitely not above fox or sonic.
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Killing people at 80ish percent is pretty good...as I'm saying, all you need to do is watch for the trip. It's not a huge risk anyway, considering Jigglypuff's superior mobility. You can just DI in and out of range as necessary.
It's very hard to punish out of shield while it's still running. If it hits your shield, it will usually go past you before you can do anything. You can also reverse directions to make it harder to punish on reaction.
F-smash isn't terrible. It's just a kinda worse version of Kirby's F-smash. It has good range and knockback, and lingers.
It's not hard to approach with Jigglypuff. You zone with superior mobility. Apparently however, there are only a few players who understand this concept really well. I suspect this by far is the most likely reason why people don't think this characters is very good.
Drillrest alone is why Jigglypuff is better than those two characters. It's a safer, more effective KO setup than anything those characters have. Being allowed to plank and air camp is also good. Jigglypuff in general is much better at pressuring defenses than those characters.
I think the people who are not facing the facts are the Jigglypuff users themselves. I don't like this character, but I'm completely convinced this character is good, and is merely lacking a player who can use her options correctly.
Maniclysane
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It's not so much nobody can play her to her fullest, it's just players who could use Wario.
I would love to see Fiction or Dr Mario Guy learn Jigglypuff and use her in a tournament. We only have a few good Jiggz mains (PND Mike, G-Reg and VaNz come to mind) who use her well.
I would love to see Fiction or Dr Mario Guy learn Jigglypuff and use her in a tournament. We only have a few good Jiggz mains (PND Mike, G-Reg and VaNz come to mind) who use her well.
GeneralWoodman
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vanz uses fsmash a lot idk if its a melee habit, but the move sucks in this game unless your playing weegi or its ledge shield pressure
Cold Fusion
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F-Smash is not completely useless. However, it really only works as a punishing move.
M-WUZ-H3R3
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It's a good move. Easy to punish OoS but thats it's only major flaw.
You won't regret using it because of it's lag.
Maniclysane
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Am I the only one that JUST noticed that Jigglypuff, in M-Wuz's sig, has glowing eyes?
Noobicidal
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Derp.
Do what I'm about to do: Take a satisfying amount of NyQuil to get rid of night time symptoms and get to sleep.
HiddenBowser
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hmm... interesting proposal... but I think I got ya beat... just saying
mountain_tiger
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This sums it up in a nutshell. Here's a little equation for you:
Wario = Jigglypuff + Weight + Reliable finishers + A usable ground game - Moon Gravity
GeneralWoodman
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Mango Mango Mangomangomango Mannnnggggoooo!!!!hmm... Interesting Proposal... But I Think I Got Ya Beat... Just Saying
Framerate
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Jigglypuff doesn't get combo'd, chain grabbed, grab released, can interrupt some infinites with rest, and is pretty difficult to gimp. Pretty much, if you play smart you can only be killed the man's way, by taking too much damage and eating a finisher to the face. IC's chain throw timing for jiggs is terrible, and she rarely gets locked down by diddy's bananas. I pretty much play puff because she can get out of a lot of sticky situations.
HiddenBowser
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Psh, sit down son, these are the brawl boards.
highfive
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I laugh at you.
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das kwl
That's because people keep getting ***** by it. I only use it when I predict lag tho.
and yes, MaNg0 is the best Jigglypuff main. OF ALL TIME!
highfive
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Sweet Jelly Belly Jebus! It's VaNz! Can I get a high five?
9Kplus1
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I meatrode VaNz for a month. True story
Cold Fusion
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You ARE a highfive!
Metatitan
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Just saw this, I had skipped over it before. You're either being sarcastic (which for your sake I hope you are) or you're blatantly stupid/wrong about the character and know nothing about it.
All of jigglypuff's aerials are slowish and have little range. Edgeguards and gimps only really exist with mk. Yeah her recovery is good... and that's it. F smash blows, its slow and has no setup, she cant kill otherwise because of SDIing out of drill and DACUS leaves you open, Fair will be stale because theres no use in saving it because they know its coming. So you have a character who can't kill, can't combo, dies super early, and the only reason shes not the worst in the game is because she has a good recovery. Not to metion she floats down so slow that she can't chase anyone in the air.
Totally a bottom mid tier char.
GeneralWoodman
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so i was getting chaingrabbed by icegrabbers when i suddenly started dasah dancing in front of the tv while spamming the pause button and then quickly shield grabbed his controller right out of its socket.
As he desperatly reached for his wire i quickly kicked his controller out of his hand and landed a totally legit rest.
the refs clapped.
:D
As he desperatly reached for his wire i quickly kicked his controller out of his hand and landed a totally legit rest.
the refs clapped.
:D
Framerate
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Hehe well I've never been CG'd by ICs.... Seems like it's a really particular timing due to our weight. Lightest character should mean faster input for the CG, no? And even if they get 3 or 4 consecutive throws off, the timing becomes too precise before kill percentage.
Cia
das kwl
I think puff beats the crap out of ICz. I'm in the air like 24/7 so i'll probably never get grabbed. Dair rips through their shield like nothing i've ever seen. and Rollout spam actually works against them. on FD.. (and Port Town XD)
Highfive - ::Hivefives::
Highfive - ::Hivefives::
M-WUZ-H3R3
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Maniclysane
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I call it controller canceling.
Maniclysane
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I sort of agree on the gimps part with MK. His dair has the perfect range and the perfect knock back for gimping. Edge guards on the other hand, not so true. A lot of characters can be edge guarded. In brawl it takes practice and a lot of reading and punishing.
All MK has to do is dair though, lolz.
EDIT: Aaaah double post sorry D: feels bad man
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Framerate
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While I do agree that this match-up isn't too bad for puff, I think your reasoning is a bit off. You can get grabbed out of the air, not to mention you're going to land at some point and ICs will be there when that happens. Bottom line is, at some point you're going to get grabbed, so you better hope that either they screw up or you've killed nana (or popo depending on the color) by then. What I find as extremely helpful in this match-up is nana's stupidity. If you hit her off stage, you'll kill her. She just takes it. Also also, never spam rollout.
highfive
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wise words framerate. I'd still say this is more or less 50:50 from the looks of it (not including common sense; including common sense I'd say 70:30-ish. IC's have a few options in the air. Uair is pretty good on damaged opponents)
GeneralWoodman
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grabbing rollout is twice as easy for iceclimbers, im not sure who your practicing with, but spamming rollout never works on good players.
Ninja Puff
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Well guys, I think I'm going to stop coming here for a while. I'm kind of giving up on trying to get better at this point. Reason being is that I get to play maybe once a week for two or three hours, which isn't enough time to improve. I'm unable to practice anything since my friend just wants to duel. I'm not going to ask him if I can borrow his Wii and game or anything.
So yeah, I know I just started posting here but until I get a Wii of my own and the game, I'm just going to lay low. I'm not getting any better. And since I'm not about to spend what little college money I have on a game and game console, it might be a while.
Take care guys, and don't give up as a Jigglypuff player.
So yeah, I know I just started posting here but until I get a Wii of my own and the game, I'm just going to lay low. I'm not getting any better. And since I'm not about to spend what little college money I have on a game and game console, it might be a while.
Take care guys, and don't give up as a Jigglypuff player.