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-LzR-

-LzR-

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Well you know not even the greatest of the greatest can unleash the deadly uptilt with tapjump. It's unimaginably hard to do. :D

And I have no idea why you need Y for PSC. I heard it's like you press the attack button twice. So yeah, learn to nado and you learn to PSC too.
 
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@Luco: Spacing? Can't we just... you know, jump over it? Or shield+dtilt. Or you're feeling really risky and the Lucas is decently hurt, SH+DC <- Ballsy though, especially if you miss...

@All.

Meh, I just turned tap-jump on because I was fiddling around with luigi, wanted to try some buffered crap, and saw the potential. Then I tried it on MK and saw the joy of the buffered OoS SL. Yum.

My question is, can you use the invincibility frames of a buffered OoS+SL plus the PSC mechanic to SL them out of a nado?
 
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No **** like PSC needed, in fact, you don't even need to shield to SL them out of it.
 
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Or you could just power sheild pk fire, and get a free grab or anything after words depending on the spacing. :p I'm an ex-lucas main, haha.
Lucas has a lot of weird tricks against mk. ^_^ but they won't work if they know they're coming, or the mk reacts well and your spacing is poor.
 
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Agreed LzR, but say you want to it to be a RSL, wouldn't it only land if you were "inside" the tornado, which would call for a shield?
 
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Reverse Shuttle Loop.

Like all the other B-moves that be reversed at the last moment by sticking the direction opposite you are facing.
 
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Oh yeah, I know that, it's just rare for anyone to say RSL, they usually say reverse SL or something.
 
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Does anybody know the exact frames that the shuttle loop will launch somebody in the opposite direction? I know that if MK hits the target toward the very beginning, or apex, of the loop, and the opponent is behind him, it can reverse launch, but I have no idea what frames can make this happen ;-;
 
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It's not frames, it's the spacing of it. I can't really explain where to hit as I am too lazy, sorry.
You should also be able to land that sweetspot consistently.
 
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Ah, that's good to know. I know where to hit it in general, I was just curious if it cut off completely if it was executed too early or too late, so I could make come around with a glide attack instead if I planned on intentionally missing them. Ah well ;-;
 
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Well yeah, consistently hitting it makes you win matches. Being able to do it out of Falco's phantasm kinda kills him. People almost always DI it incorrectly too. Someone come up with hitbox data and show us the sweetpot or whatever it's called?
 
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Invincibility all of a sudden.
And nado at that moment would do what he wants, let him recover.
 
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He has a profile, I noticed...but his messages are full. If you guys ever get ahold of him, will you tell him I need to ask him something? It's pretty important.
 
Kaffei

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The best thing imo just meet him at a tourney. where do you live?
 
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Hmmm... pretty sure this is wrong somehow but apparently Glide Attack (on shield)>Dtilt/Ftilt is safe against all 5 frame + grabs. And if this does work, it'll catch people off guard since most Dedede/Falco mains are sure that glide attack on shield = free grab.

GLIDE ATTACK
hits on frame: 5
optimal shield advantage: -1 soft landing

DTILT
Hits on frame: 3
Shield advantage: -1

FTILT
1st hit on: 3

Does this work?
 
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