Rykoshet
Smash Champion
That's pretty much the truth of the matter, the whole "omg you have a projectile" **** only applies to like... falco.
Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Luc's projectile works a lot differently than other characters' projectiles. It can't be spammed or used to create effective openings (like..falco's lasers) but full and half charged auraspheres do their job at forcing airdodges, edgeguarding, abusing landing frames, and dealing damage while keeping a safe distance. The uncharged ones are too slow to be a threat, and their priority is trash. half/full charged is nice.That's pretty much the truth of the matter, the whole "omg you have a projectile" **** only applies to like... falco.
are you joking? between FPCG, Aura sphere, and DT, Ike has no hope against Lucario. ive fought some professional ike players on the friend finder(assuming they actually are, idk if they was telling the truth) and they all got destroyed... seriously, i think the Lucario vs Ike ratio is 90:10 in Lucario's favorI know Ike can KO Lucario before Lucario even gets up to 100%. Preventing the aura buff. Just from this factor alone, does this mean Ike has the advantage against Lucario?
Cause I'm starting to think so...
I stopped reading here.ive fought some professional ike players on the friend finder
If you don't know if they're telling the truth, give me 3 good reasons why I wouldn't be able to beat the **** out of these players with Captain Falcon.are you joking? between FPCG, Aura sphere, and DT, Ike has no hope against Lucario. ive fought some professional ike players on the friend finder(assuming they actually are, idk if they was telling the truth) and they all got destroyed... seriously, i think the Lucario vs Ike ratio is 90:10 in Lucario's favor
If you don't know if they're telling the truth, give me 3 good reasons why I wouldn't be able to beat the **** out of these players with Captain Falcon.
I know now... Lucario > Ike. But the ratio isn't that big! 90:10 is under estimating Ike way too much! And I highly doubt they were pros that you were fighting.are you joking? between FPCG, Aura sphere, and DT, Ike has no hope against Lucario. ive fought some professional ike players on the friend finder(assuming they actually are, idk if they was telling the truth) and they all got destroyed... seriously, i think the Lucario vs Ike ratio is 90:10 in Lucario's favor
Those are some of the worst stages you can bring an Ike. Corneria's ceiling is really low, and he's better on walk offs than you are. But I highly doubt those are the only reasons you are losing to him.I know now... Lucario > Ike. But the ratio isn't that big! 90:10 is under estimating Ike way too much! And I highly doubt they were pros that you were fighting.
The match up was hard for me, cause the Ike I was playing only played on stages where you can't gimp his recovery, like Corneria, Bridge of Eldin, and the Fire Emblem stage.
Yeah, they were the wrong stages. I felt like that was the only reason I was losing to him, cause he choose all the stages in his favor.Those are some of the worst stages you can bring an Ike. Corneria's ceiling is really low, and he's better on walk offs than you are. But I highly doubt those are the only reasons you are losing to him.
Ok if you skipped my post just read it lol its on page 11. I do match ups in comparison to neutral stages. Think of the pros and cons for each. Look at the match up carefully. It is in Lucarios favor but its not even that big at all. 90:10 is just saying the local Ikes people are playing don't know what they might be doing. Its only a 60:40 and can be pushed to 55:45 making it just a tad bit in Lucarios favor, or a neutral match up. Ike is only easy to kill when hes not on the map. On the map he can be a terror.
And yes AS is just a pro to Lucario. Not a con to Ike. Very well said.
If you mention perfect shielding then you concede that is is near useless to stop a projectile that has rather easy timing with an attack. I know how fast an Ike can be though, but Lucario is faster, and can force Ike to play the offensive game. Which having a strong projectile, Lucario can take advantage of Ike being forced to approach.Good points. But the one thing you forgot to mention is that on the map we all have the universal shield called Powershielding/Perfect shielding. Yes Its a great punisher for moves that Ike will miss and landing lag. After all He has really slow smashes. But, thats smashes. Don't forget about tilts. *Defentlly dont forget about tilts. He can fan AS with them and thats what Ikes use for their main attacks.* Ike's who use air moves badly will be punished, Thats obvious. but keep in mind 80 percent of his air moves that he uses in a competitive game will auto cancel or be spaced properly. and also keep in mn attack. ind that he can also fan AS with them.
Not in a million years :/...I hope there will be a hurricane Lucario next hurricane season. I bet it would be more powerful than hurricane Ike. And as the storm loses its stock it gets stronger and would be an Aura Storm. Hurricane Lucario > Hurricane Ike.
Don't close the thread until at least National beat an Ike day is past.Yea, this place has gotten a bit out of hand, its been said many times that Lucario is better then Ike in many ways.
So its over, Lucario's better, end of thread.
(National Beat an Ike on Wifi day is tomorrow!)
(Cue Mod locking Thread)
-t2