I think edge hogging is ********! (dare to be a rebel)

[Justblaze647]

At this point, I already know that edge hogging is generally accepted by the smash community as a plausible strategy, but come on guys... whats the point of smashing if the only way to achieve victory is to nab the stage from your opponent? personally i cant respect any smasher who, instead of using his skill to defeat me, would rather grab the stage and watch me fall than to finish me himself. Call me crazy, but I like destroying people with my skill. How about you?

 

[metaXzero]

And I can't respect scrubs who think edgehogging is skill-less. Especially in Brawl...

 

[-Jumpman-]

Defeating your opponent through skill is nice, but edge hogging is getting easy kills. I play to win (and for fun) not to show off or feel good about myself (I feel good about myself anyway).

 

[XienZo]

well, this is a play-to-win kinda community, and its more to win than to play in a way some people would call more fair. And some characters need edgehogging to get kills. On the other hand, if you're randomly playing casuals and all, edgehogging can be a tad cruel. Better to nail them with a assist trophy.

 

[Brinzy]

So yeah, majority votes edge-hogging when you're playing to win, and maybe not in matches vs. those who wouldn't do it to you.

 

[TwinkleToes]

*scratches head*

Don't you need to knock your opponent off the stage first? I mean, there's got to be skill involved somewhere, or you never get the set-up for the edge-hog.

So really, it's just an element that makes the game go faster because everyone dies sooner. And given how long Brawl matches last I'd have to say I think that's a good thing.

The only way it becomes an advantage to one player is if his/her opponent for some reason doesn't edge-hog as well. Which, mind you, is absolutely ********.

 

[darkserenade]

But, sometimes, characters with low attack (or when fighting a person like pit with great recovery) can only meteor smash and if he does survive that, they have to edgehog so he can't make it. I do, however, think it shouldn't be done often.

 

[Crow!]

On the contrary, I think that the ledge dynamics are one of the most interesting and skillful aspects of Smash. And this is coming from a Link main - one of the most easily gimped characters out there.

The battle for the ledge is very interesting, and it's extremely satisfying when you successfully turn the tables on your opponent. With a couple of exceptions, edgeguarders put themselves in a dangerous situation as they go for the early kill - high risk, high reward. Brawl does a lot to encourage this activity.

Me, I'm much more annoyed by people who insist on playing on Final Destination all the time. No variations provided by the stage means fewer strategic possibilities.

 

[pure_awesome]

Me too!

I also hate people who hit me off the stage with powerful attacks. I mean, how much skill does it take to do a smash attack?

I would much rather my opponent use skill to defeat me, than to get my percentage up high and then hit me off by pressing a button. So lame.

Oh, wait. You're an idiot.

 

[Circus]

On the contrary, I think that the ledge dynamics are one of the most interesting and skillful aspects of Smash. And this is coming from a Link main - one of the most easily gimped characters out there.

The battle for the ledge is very interesting, and it's extremely satisfying when you successfully turn the tables on your opponent. With a couple of exceptions, edgeguarders put themselves in a dangerous situation as they go for the early kill - high risk, high reward. Brawl does a lot to encourage this activity.

Me, I'm much more annoyed by people who insist on playing on Final Destination all the time. No variations provided by the stage means fewer strategic possibilities.

My thoughts exactly.

Edge hogging requires skill if you want to do it right. I have the sneaking suspicion that the reason you (Justblaze) don't do it is due more to inability than it is righteousness.

 

[_Phloat_]

This is a competitive board. If you aren't doing what is legal to win, then you should just leave.

And before "The way the developers wanted" show me a rule book that says how you should play. No, they only say how you could play. A good developer would never limit his players to the way he wants to play.

 

[cutter]

You play to win the game!

 

[MarKO X]

I used to think edgehogging sucked... until I learned how to do it.

Do I od it every chance I get? Probably not. But it's just soooooo satisfying to see your opponent slowly fall to his/her death after a failed attempt to grab the ledge because it's already being occupied by someone who's using their invincibility frames...

Besides, you need to create a cushion for victory? Edgehog.
You need to make a one-stock comeback to even things up? Edgehog.
You opponent has a one-minded approach towards recovery? Edgehog.
Below stage upB is getting predictable? Edgehog.

 

[crescentia]

whats the point of smashing if the only way to achieve victory is to nab the stage from your opponent?

isn't the whole point of smash to knock your opponent off the stage and make sure he doesn't get back? it takes even more skill to successfully edgehog someone in brawl than in melee, given the new ledge mechanics

personally i cant respect any smasher who, instead of using his skill to defeat me, would rather grab the stage and watch me fall than to finish me himself. Call me crazy, but I like destroying people with my skill

personally I can't really take you seriously. honestly, if you get edgehogged it's your own fault because you got hit in the first place, failed to DI properly, and then failed to hit your opponent off the edge and/or then space your up-B accordingly.

I mean, come on.

 

[Ace55]

And before "The way the developers wanted" show me a rule book that says how you should play. No, they only say how you could play. A good developer would never limit his players to the way he wants to play.

Dude, edgehogging is a part of the game. It even had a bonus term in Melee, Sakurai approves (not that that matters but still).

One of my friends also used the argument that it's cheap and easy, yet he can't do it himself .In most friendlies I just release the edge though, I just let them know that I could have killed them right there.

 

[PK Hexagon]

An easy way to stop all of this would be to simply have said: The game gave you bonus points in Melee for performing edgehogs. The game itself recognizes it as skill. So, you can either accept the fact that you're wrong, or keep being a scrub and baw about edgehogging.

Up to you.

 

[1170]

It does take skill to edgehog well. You have to factor in many different things, like invincibility frames, etc.

You may not like it, bu the fact that you set up arbitrary boudaries only means that those that do edgehog will beat you.

 

[xYz]

looks at join date....


ahhh ok.

 

[Matador]

The computer edgehogs as well. Proof that it wasn't only intended, but expected to be used.

 

[PkTrainerCris]

I dont feel like edgehogging is a "honorable" tactic, and so does everyone on my conmunity, so we have no problem with that, its just banned, and nobody has complained about it.... the LOLs are a lot when that happens accidently..... but i can see it is a way to win easier, so a lot of people may like it, its just about preferences, i personally like a LOT long battles.

 

[Matador]

I dont feel like edgehogging is a "honorable" tactic, and so does everyone on my conmunity, so we have no problem with that, its just banned, and nobody has complained about it.... the LOLs are a lot when that happens accidently..... but i can see it is a way to win easier, so a lot of people may like it, its just about preferences, i personally like a LOT long battles.

You're doing it wrong...

 

[PK Hexagon]

I dont feel like edgehogging is a "honorable" tactic, and so does everyone on my conmunity, so we have no problem with that, its just banned, and nobody has complained about it.... the LOLs are a lot when that happens accidently..... but i can see it is a way to win easier, so a lot of people may like it, its just about preferences, i personally like a LOT long battles.

Long battles are a given. This is Brawl we're playing, remember?

 

[Gishnak]

That's interesting, because edge guarding (with the inclusion of edgehogging) is one of the more skillful aspects of this bland game.

 

[Rauzaruke]

The computer edgehogs as well. Proof that it wasn't only intended, but expected to be used.

Wasn't there a thread going around that a level 1 ROB edgehogged someone? XD

Edgehogging is just another way to keep someone from coming back on the stage. Like meteor smashes and gimping, it's pretty much intended to be in the game. It's also pretty easy to get around in Brawl when compared to Melee. I'm not sure why this is even brought up in the first place.

 

[storm92]

This is a competitive board. If you aren't doing what is legal to win, then you should just leave.

And before "The way the developers wanted" show me a rule book that says how you should play. No, they only say how you could play. A good developer would never limit his players to the way he wants to play.

What's funny is the developers actually had the name "edge hogging" for when one player grabbed the ledge so another couldn't in Melee in the end-game bonus things.
So they knew it was there, and even gave it a name (which we adopted).
EDIT: Someone already said that above, sorry.

I really hate topics like this. Do what you have to to win. As others already touched on, most the time it's a battle for the edge and not just as easy as you make it out to be.

 

[metaXzero]

Guy who posted this is a scrub. Just ignore him.

Hopefully the mods CLOSE THIS!

 

[LooftWaffles]

Edgehogging is just like every other aspect of Brawl.... if you know what your opponent is going to do, you should be able to punish it. Just as you can time a smash attack every time someone uses the same approach, if someone only relies on one method of recovery, theyre asking to be punished. Dont want to be edge hogged? Dont recover in the same way every time.

 

[Veggi]

I don't like edgehogging either because it looks boring, it takes very little skill to run off the stage and press back. (unless I'm using DK) I do it anyway though, I'd rather it not be in the game, but it is so I use it.

 

[Tenki]

Wasn't there a thread going around that a level 1 ROB edgehogged someone? XD

I think that was a ROB/Ike gimping Snake's C4 recovery.. lol

PS. edgehogging is cool.

Also, Veggi's sig defeats mine.

 

[Twilght Link]

Edge hogging takes skill imo, you have to make sure u time it properly or else ur opponent can stage spike u after u lose ur invincibility frames. Nonetheless, after i grab on to the ledge, i like to jump off backwards while my opponent is still trying to recover and knock them back with a bair or two. It racks up damage and keeps the enemy at bay. Thus, i usually will edgehog on tether recoveries (especially on olimar) or lucario. Once as i was falling with tlink i tether recovered right before my opponent tried with their up b and they were unable to do anything (it looked so epic)

 

[fkacyan]

To sum up this thread:

OP: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Everybody else: stfu.

 

[metaXzero]

Thiocyanide wins.

 

[AlAxe]

This thread is stupid. Edge hogging is very skillfull and a part of the game. If you don't like it maybe you should play another game. There's nothing at all cheap or easy about it.

 

[Veggi]

This thread is stupid. Edge hogging is very skillfull and a part of the game. If you don't like it maybe you should play another game. There's nothing at all cheap or easy about it.

Actually I thought edgehogging was one of the easiest things to do in Smash Bros. See someone coming down near the edge? Run off the stage and press back.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

I am not going to go out and say edgehogging should be banned, or something stupid, but it is a cowardly tactic, although it is very satisying to snag someone with ZS Samus's up-B when being edghogged.

 

[Demp]

Edge-hogging in itself is skill-less. But setting up for an edge-hog is where the skill comes into place.

 

[gratefulxgrapefruit]

edgehog ftw

 

[PKSkyler]

"you Must Recover!"

 

[Affinity]

OP: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Everybody else: stfu.

This^
10charizards

 

[Seikend]

I am not going to go out and say edgehogging should be banned, or something stupid, but it is a cowardly tactic, although it is very satisying to snag someone with ZS Samus's up-B when being edghogged.

Cowardly? Since when was running straight at someone who's going to use an attack and not retaliating but just doing a casual thing like grabbing a ledge cowardly? Waiting on the stage so you don't have a chance of getting hit is more cowardly.