I played a recorded set with Ally the night before CoT4. He knows how to handle IC's amazingly well haha just watch .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE4YVTQPoqk
Discuss.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE4YVTQPoqk
Discuss.
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Okay!Let's watch hylian get *****!
Hobbling takes longer to set up.Whats wrong with hobbling? It doesn't take much longer than any other cg to setup. Done right, Nana pretty much does a short hop and lands near you, and the ice blocks give you plenty of time for Nana to return. I think that it was a good idea for Hylian to use hobbling, because it is pretty much a 1 stock loss. I would have done the same or used d-throw to f-throw. Personally, I only use b-throw to d-throw on medium and light characters, on heavy characters the timing feels different and odd.
GWHylian, do you main ICs or G&W?
Setting up a hobble is easy. Just dthrow to Fthrow then bthrow hobble. You can do this to any weight actually since nana will be behind you in the perfect position for the footstool.Yeah but you still have the issue of dash grabbing/grabbing them in general and needing to throw them quickly with Hobbling. That's something that Dthrowing solves since the throw animation is longer.
Also, yeah they can SDI towards the edge. Say you grab him from the center. You Bthrow Hobble to the left and they SDI to the left. You grab him facing left. You Bthrow Hobble to the right, he SDI's left (doesn't end up behind you). You grab him, Bthrow Hobble him to the Left, he SDI's left. If you continue this pattern, he ends up SDIing off the edge on the left side.
Now, clearly you can Fthrow/Dthrow/Bthrow him towards the center again, but that would be different than just pure hobbling him with one particular variation of it (Dthrow to Footstool to Ice Block, Fthrow to Footstool to Ice Block, and Bthrow to Footstool to Ice Block). All 3 of them have the SDI issue, you can solve it but it requires you to either use another Hobble occasionally or a different CG like Fthrow to Dthrow.
That's part of what I am saying though, Dthrowing first is better since it gives Nana a lot of time to reposition herself lol. A lot of times, instead of Bthrowing immediately from a grab (especially the dash grabs), you had to wait for Nana to come closer to you before you could throw, and it gave Ally time to escape where as if you Dthrew him you could catch him with Nana, Dthrow/Bthrow/Fthrow him, and then hobble.Setting up a hobble is easy. Just dthrow to Fthrow then bthrow hobble. You can do this to any weight actually since nana will be behind you in the perfect position for the footstool.
Also, all you have to do to stop them from SDI'ing to the edge is dash grab. The momentum from the grab is more then enough to compensate for their DI.
Not to mention you can't SDI towards the climbers and not end up behind them. It takes forever to get to the edge DIing that way and you will probably be at kill% anyways when getting anywhere near the ledge.
I didn't really get a chance to do it much because well this IS the best snake in the world, and his nades were really ****ing me up. Watch me play a DDD and you can really see how effective hobbling is.
IDK, I'd rather use a few CG's that work in any situation or cover any situation rather than using multiple ones with really specific purposes. But that's just me.he did hobbling because its an easy cg on heavies and it works really well on snakes. plus the forced get up can be a nice setup for a variety of things. while mastering a few good cgs is nice its better to have a variety of cgs mastered that you can use in any situation that would require them.
Well Bthrow Hobbling is pretty much only useful on heavies. The Hobbles in general I don't like because you have to change directions usuallywhat cgs are you talking about in particular?
I was just really off for some reason :/. If you watched me the night before CoT4 I was CGing fine. Ask Kadaj, every time I grabbed him he died like 10 matches in a row lol.Dude Hylian you gotta get your cg consistency down WAY more.
Before COT4, I always heard about you being able to cg to like 7000% while not looking, and you even made that ridiculous mm offer to people. But I was watching some of your matches and it really didn't seem like you knew how to cg fast/long.
In fact, most IC players can't cg consistently. What gives here? This is what we're SUPPOSED to be able to do.
The optimal spacing is the very tip of Blizzard, which is basically dependent on how the snake throws the nades.I know I shouldn't of blizzarded as much, but you can actually destroy his nades without getting hit with the explosion with blizzard, and I was trying to find that spacing.
im usually consistent with them i was basically coughing a hairball for 2 days straight >< during CoT4.Dude Hylian you gotta get your cg consistency down WAY more.
Before COT4, I always heard about you being able to cg to like 7000% while not looking, and you even made that ridiculous mm offer to people. But I was watching some of your matches and it really didn't seem like you knew how to cg fast/long.
In fact, most IC players can't cg consistently. What gives here? This is what we're SUPPOSED to be able to do.
Yeah, for alt grabbing I like Dthrow--Bthrow the best on heavies. Bthrow-dthrow is too weird lol.The optimal spacing is the tip but that's provided you blizzard at the right time. Helpful maybe a couple times in a set, but not that useful.
just do dthrow->bthrow people.
Ur sig is amazing. I genuinely laughed XD.Yeah, for alt grabbing I like Dthrow--Bthrow the best on heavies. Bthrow-dthrow is too weird lol.