How would the meta-game change?

[Ripple]

I want to see a video of an American Diddy doing that but you won't find it because they want to ban MK instead of learning this technique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YVW2mtUVOU

2:33

oh, my bad, it's the opposite. showing ZSS control bananas

 

[SaveMeJebus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YVW2mtUVOU

2:33

Fiendlies 10Friendlies

 

[Ripple]

Fiendlies 10Friendlies

but 2 year old matches of mike haze prove something because you say the match up hasn't changed?

 

[SaveMeJebus]

but 2 year old matches of mike haze prove something because you say the match up hasn't changed?

Those were tournament matches though

 

[Ripple]

Those were tournament matches though

nothing escapes you, does it jebus?

 

[John12346]

Jebus, you're missing the point. The reason no other main of any other character has good item control is due to the fact they have little to no exposure or experience to item gameplay in the first place, outside of the Diddy matchup and MAYBE the Zamus matchup.

If Diddy becomes the dominant force of the metagame, people are going to get off their ***es and learn how to control items better in order to combat the matchup, it's as simple as that.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Most players just don't (some don't because they can't) put that much time into their characters. MK is easier than most characters to pick up but there are a lot of characters that go even with him. Banning him because players would rather take the easy way out isn't competitive at all. We've seen it happen before and there is nothing stopping it from happening again unless the players give up.

 

[Ripple]

Most players just don't (some don't because they can't) put that much time into their characters. MK is easier than most characters to pick up but there are a lot of characters that go even with him. Banning him because players would rather take the easy way out isn't competitive at all

they will put work into their character if they start losing.

and what does that second part have to do with items and diddy's bananas?

oh....that's right, nothing. it was a strawman.

edit: in fact the whole thing is a strawman considering you weren't responding bananas or diddy

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I'm done here. I don't want to keep posting in a thread that encourages taking the easy way out

 

[Ripple]

I'm done here. I don't want to keep posting in a thread that encourages taking the easy way out

words cannot express how happy I am.

oh, and btw, this thread doesn't promote anything. it's theory crafting if MK was already gone

 

[-LzR-]

So what exactly am I reading here...
I'm confused as hell.

 

[Ripple]

So what exactly am I reading here...
I'm confused as hell.

reading what you said while looking at your avatar made me laugh.

and don't worry, even ankoku was confused by jebus

 

[-LzR-]

My avatar does tell how I am feeling after reading this thread indeed...

 

[Espy Rose]

I'm done here. I don't want to keep posting in a thread that encourages taking the easy way out

But this thread is a theoretical discussion for if Meta Knight get's BANNED.

 

[z00ted]

edit: ignore this

 

[Ripple]

edit: ignore this

ahahahahaha

 

[ElDominio]

words cannot express how happy I am.

I'm going to try my best

I'm done here. I don't want to keep posting in a thread that encourages taking the easy way out

But this thread is a theoretical discussion for if Meta Knight get's BANNED.

Let him stay out PLEASE!!!

 

[z00ted]

ahahahahaha

dude, 1 infraction point for me = ban

 

[link2702]

love how jebus is saying banning meta is taking the easy way out for players..

because ya, you know...picking a character with zero bad matchups, no disadvantages whatsoever, a character that doesn't have to worry about the counterpick system, easy learning curve compared to rest of the cast, and some stages that are basically auto wins for him, isn't "taking the easy way out"

 

[ADHD]

MK is the only character Diddy struggles with on those stages.

EDIT: He's obviously good at the match up since he only loses to top level MKs but he seems to have a mental block against those top level MK players

Mental block? Lol. I wish it was just a mental block. Metaknight is using moves in between my decision makings so I can't even physically keep up in this world's space and time.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Mental block? Lol. I wish it was just a mental block. Metaknight is using moves in between my decision makings so I can't even physically keep up in this world's space and time.

10 dimensional capes

 

[Player-1]

Was reading this in my calc class and inthink I was getting strange looks from ppl while I was trying to not laugh

 

[WedginatorX]

Tl;dr edition of this thread:
Jebus fights a losing argument against EVERY other poster in this thread; he leaves because he cannot top the stupidity of his other posts any further.

 

[Ksenics]

i dont know who smashboards hates more, jebus or metaknight lawl. gotta say its hilarious though.

 

[Battousai780]

Mental block? Lol. I wish it was just a mental block. Metaknight is using moves in between my decision makings so I can't even physically keep up in this world's space and time.

The speed of attacks is one aspect of the game. If you know that you can't beat MK in a battle of which attack comes out faster than yours, you should focus on the aspects of the game that your character is better at. (Lol@giving ADHD advice, it's directed to everyone not really you specifically. inb4 ADHD would 3 stock me)

 

[Doc King]

I don't understand the significance of this comment or where it's going

You said that King Dedede has not so many hard counters when I think that he does have many hard counters.

Jeebus you would make for an amazing journalist.

I also wasn't aware going diddy in 1 set vs 1 good person made you a co-main, but k.

Halberd uses snake as a secondary.

Is this a joke? (I hope so )

We already went over this, though. Diddy loses to Snake and Wario, and goes even with a crapton of other characters, such as Luigi, Peach, TLink, and Falco. There are a lot more characters Diddy goes even with, as well, but I can't remember them right off the top of my head.

And don't forget, Diddy actually has bad stages that he can be counterpicked to. There are AT LEAST two such stages against Diddy's opponent's one stage ban; Brinstar and RC. There may be some other bad Diddy stages, but those two come to mind right off the bat. He's not like Meta Knight, where stage selection doesn't even matter because MK will **** you on any stage you CP him to regardless...

It's not like Diddy is the "cover all options" character Meta Knight is. He loses to some characters and doesn't even solidly beat a large portion of the cast, plus he can be counterpicked to a medley of different stages.

In addition, if, by some random quirk of fate, Diddy actually DOES somehow become the next Meta Knight, people will go ahead and learn proper item control, as well as the Single Naner Lock for their character(s), thereby shifting virtually every matchup slightly towards the non-Diddy characters' favors. That's how a meta-game works. That's how it evolves. You are not going to see this kind of progress with Meta Knight still legal.

If Diddy or someone else becomes the new mk, we can always put mk back in so that character and mk will have good balanced combat.

i dont know who smashboards hates more, jebus or metaknight lawl. gotta say its hilarious though.

For me it's MK because he's an annoying and cheap character.

One thing I wanna ask you guys, why do you guys bother responding to Jebus if he's just gonna ignore your arguments, we should all just ignore this guy and stop wasting our time arguing with this guy.

 

[Player-1]

You said that King Dedede has not so many hard counters when I think that he does have many hard counters.

Yeah and I said the BBR MU chart has 11 MUs that is +3 or greater. Which isn't that much since there are 37 other characters in brawl, also the fact that some of the MUs in D3 I disagree with being +3.

 

[Doc King]

Yeah and I said the BBR MU chart has 11 MUs that is +3 or greater. Which isn't that much since there are 37 other characters in brawl, also the fact that some of the MUs in D3 I disagree with being +3.

Well, imo, King Dedede has a lot of hard counters. That's all I'm pretty much saying.

 

[John12346]

If Diddy or someone else becomes the new mk, we can always put mk back in so that character and mk will have good balanced combat.

I don't know... I think the metagame is capable of evolving to be able to counter a wide variety of different outcomes after MK gets banned. It hasn't really been shown that any character outside of MK is capable of stagnating the metagame, so...

And Diddy does have those disadvantaged matchups, along with a buttload of evens, so I can't really see it happening in the first place...

 

[Blacknight99923]

I don't see metaknight ever beeing banned, and then brought back.

The community is already fairly divided as it is regarding metaknight.

There will be people upset he's not banned, there will be plenty of people upset that he is banned.

How did one character create so much hate. :'(.

 

[Kuro~]

Well, imo, King Dedede has a lot of hard counters. That's all I'm pretty much saying.

Btw d3 wario is not 70:30...

 

[Doc King]

Btw d3 wario is not 70:30...

I'm not sure about other Wario's, but my King Dedede vs Warios is around there. I think in the future, the matchup will become like that. I don't see what Wario can really do to King Dedede besides out speed him. King Dedede has a lot of AT's on Wario like the up tilt and up smash air releases, sheild grabbing, one of the easiest slope infinites Dedede has, and awesome counter picks like Yoshi's, Halberd, Frigate, Delfino, Rainbow, EVEN BRINSTAR! I mean like pretty much every slope as far I know can make D3 infinite Wario if Wario is sent up due to his poor traction and d throw range. Also, D3 outranges him in pretty much everything with his bair, f tilt (Can punish Wario's Bite pretty good). D3 can also use Waddle Dee to force Wario to approach.

You guys might be thinking "Wario can just time out", but I don't see how Wario can time out good if D3 outranges him and leaves Wario in dangerous situations (Basically major pressure) and Wario doesn't have a good projectile, only a couple of wheels which are hard to pull off and D3 can make uses out of them too.

That's mainly it. I might have missed a few things, but this is what I got as of now.

 

[-LzR-]

The MU is even, I heard. Wario can do as much **** to D3 as he can to Wario. And the amount of grab setups in entirely dependent on the stage.

 

[iFudge]

really dont see how europe/japan never have mk probelms

but in us, everything is blamed on mk

america suggs


ban mk in dubz

 

[Doc King]

The MU is even, I heard. Wario can do as much **** to D3 as he can to Wario. And the amount of grab setups in entirely dependent on the stage.

But if the Dedede is good, he/she can find good ways to use the setups. And I don't see what Wario can do to Dedede other than just dair, bite, nair, and f smash dedede. D3 has a lot more than Wario does. Wario's decent combos on D3 prevent the matchup imo from being extremely bad, only being D3's advantage (Which means Dedede does pretty good against Wario).

 

[Arcansi]

If this has been discussed already someone link me and I'm sorry.

What would happen to LGL if MK was banned?

 

[ElDominio]

really dont see how europe/japan never have mk probelms

but in US, everything is blamed on mk

america suggs


ban mk in dubz

The thing is, here in Puerto Rico and Europe we don't have MK problems since very few people actually play gay, and those that do haven't perfected it like in the US.
The straight up P2W mentality only exists in US.
At least here in PR, we play mostly for fun since our tourney's payouts usually plain suck.

How did one character create so much hate. :'(.

How? Because they didn't ban him soon enough.
Think about it: People have been whining about it for the past 3 years in increasing numbers. If it was a large problem to begin with, getting it done quickly would have been much better,

But our young 7 year old community... in fact...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kErJS9CJVMU

People would have gotten over it by now... but alas...

 

[mikeHAZE]

MikeHaze vs Commander Beef, Ally and Razor vs Co18

jebus

2009 dude lol

 

[Judo777]

He's not bad, he just has like some mental block against top MKs

Yea I think I have a mental block against every person in the nation that can beat me. And I think I have mental blocks against MK's especially cause they beat me a lot. And I think it is no way influenced by the fact that my character is just worse than MK..............

I think its also fair to say that I am at LEAST a high level player, I only lose to TOP level players like Cheese, and MJG, and the occaisionally high level players like Joey. Yea that all makes sense right?

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Yea I think I have a mental block against every person in the nation that can beat me. And I think I have mental blocks against MK's especially cause they beat me a lot. And I think it is no way influenced by the fact that my character is just worse than MK..............

I think its also fair to say that I am at LEAST a high level player, I only lose to TOP level players like Cheese, and MJG, and the occaisionally high level players like Joey. Yea that all makes sense right?

He beats Ally's Snake in winners, has a huge lead in losers, gets comboed by his MK and then just gives up. It sounds to me like he has a mental block against top level MKs. Same thing happens when he gets comboed by other top level MKs and it happened in his match against Seibrik