How would the meta-game change?

[Javon89]

What if Meta Knight were banned?

Would Diddy be the next dominating force in tournaments? Would many players quit Brawl? Would top 10 placing characters be more diverse?

Voice your predictions and opinions if this actually happened.

Note: Moderators, if this thread should turn into a MK-Ban argument, please lock this. This thread is not intended that kind of discussion.

 

[Allin]

I think Marth, and Pit would be rise in the tier list, snake might drop being that he was so high mostly because of his MU with the knight. I don't think diddy would be a dominating force but I think he'd be similar to melee fox, the best in the game with not alot of players who can use him to his full potential.

 

[Ussi]

Some prick learns to infinite with Diddy and wins a tourney with it.

Controversy of banning the infinite or not or Diddy completely ensues.

Cries to make MK legal are made but quickly shot down.

Infinite is banned.

Life goes on


For serious:

3 characters people will initially jump too: Snake, Diddy, and Marth. All of them are not exactly easy to play, Diddy would be the easiest at the higher levels. Marth will be the hardest, but prob might get a boost.. Or just lose to the influx of mid-tiers hur hur

 

[Kuro~]

Many Mid-tiers would do much much better. Peach, R.O.B., Pit, D.K. come to mind in particular. Hell even the mario bros would be more viable.

 

[John12346]

I would imagine Saturday Night Live Single Naner Lock would become one of those "important things" to learn.

GIMR should probably make a Metagame Minute on it someday.

 

[Ripple]

I would imagine learning Saturday Night LiveSingle Naner Lock would become one of those "important things" to learn.

GIMR should probably make a Metagame Minute on it someday.

lol, before you edited that, that's what I thought of

 

[ADHD]

People thinking diddy kong being bannable tier is humorous.

He loses slightly to snake, possibly wario, falco, and goes even with like a million other matchups below him. Also diddy infinites aren't really that practical.

 

[SFA Smiley]

Influx of marths. Which would suck.

 

[Ussi]

I see Diddy being bannable only if his nana infinites start winning and we put a nana limit on Diddy.


I don't see Marth being a threath.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Except many characters can actually infinite Diddy with nana's easier than Diddy can infinite them.

Diddy has a ton of evenish MU's and is slightly disadvantaged in several as well.

Greatest myth ever told is that Diddy is 2nd best. The only reason he is that high is because he does so well versus MK and MK takes out almost all of Diddy's bad MUs. Without MK, Diddy would drop to where he actually should be ranked which is like 4th-6th.

 

[Judo777]

Except many characters can actually infinite Diddy with nana's easier than Diddy can infinite them.

Diddy has a ton of evenish MU's and is slightly disadvantaged in several as well.

Greatest myth ever told is that Diddy is 2nd best. The only reason he is that high is because he does so well versus MK and MK takes out almost all of Diddy's bad MUs. Without MK, Diddy would drop to where he actually should be ranked which is like 4th-6th.

While I don't think he would ever drop quite that low, I do agree with pretty much everything you said. I have said this for a while. MK is the metagame. The next best chars are the ones with the best MK MU's.

 

[Kuro~]

I still don't see where ppl are saying diddy would ever be in the position he is with mk. Unlike mk his matchups can only get WORSE as ppl learn to use nanaz as good as/better than diddy mains because ppl will want to learn to use items much better. I mean come on...diddy loses to a few high tiers, mid tiers, and goes even with plenty of characters.

Influx of marths i doubt. Marth is hard to use at a high level. However i do believe a nice chunk of mk would go to marth.

 

[ADHD]

Except many characters can actually infinite Diddy with nana's easier than Diddy can infinite them.

Diddy has a ton of evenish MU's and is slightly disadvantaged in several as well.

Greatest myth ever told is that Diddy is 2nd best. The only reason he is that high is because he does so well versus MK and MK takes out almost all of Diddy's bad MUs. Without MK, Diddy would drop to where he actually should be ranked which is like 4th-6th.

I disagree. Diddy is probably at least 3rd.

 

[Attila_]

Why has no one mentioned the rise of wario/d3/ics?

 

[Bizkit047]

Yea, Diddy would still be top 3 IMO. But obviously wouldn't be MK level. DDD would just get bodied by the top tiers that counter him. Pika would probably be a little better, but get stopped by Diddy?

 

[Kuro~]

I think if a 9B level IC arose in america with mk gone IC could surpass diddy as 3rd possibly.

 

[Johnknight1]

Woaw, at 1st I thought this topic would be lame, but it is pretty good. I think characters with bad MK matching would go up, Wario would go up, Snake or Falco might be top tier, and Captain Falcon's nipples would be 500% larger!

 

[C.J.]

Does anyone else think Falco would drop?

 

[Hive]

probably all the characters would hold hands and sing songs together and **** if metaknight were gone.

Spoiler

(yes, this is a troll attempt, please do not take me seriously)

 

[Ussi]

I think Pika will drop

 

[Ghostbone]

The metagame wouldn't change that much immediately, as characters such as Snake, Falco and Diddy have more developed metagames, and would probably dominate the other characters at first. But gradually I think character diversity will increase as people start to secondary characters that aren't MK.

 

[M@v]

probably all the characters would hold hands and sing songs together and **** if metaknight were gone.

Spoiler

(yes, this is a troll attempt, please do not take me seriously)

Falco would still want to murder ice climbers in their sleep. At least my Falco would.


Also its impossible to predict what will actually happen, but we can take educated guesses:

-General increase in top/high tier character.
-Marth would likely be more prevalent
-More DDDs
-Diddy would be remain best imo, even with mk gone. Snake's recovery just gets ***** too hard for me to see him being 1.

-Mid tier increases would be likely. Peach and ROB will likely appear in higher numbers.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

My guesses?

-Snake would rise back up above Diddy. Marth, Wario, and ICs may very well rise above Diddy in the future with no MK around as well, though how fast would be unknown. I'd say Wario is the least likely out of the trio I mentioned and would take a good influx of mains to pull it off. Falco I honestly don't know. I could see him rising up above Diddy, but I could also see him dropping below the ICs. He's an oddball to me when you take out MK.

-Pikachu would drop back down to high tier. D3 may climb back up above Lucario, but Lucario would be happy with MK gone as well...really hard to tell how that trio would stack.

-G&W would be both buffed and nerfed by no more MK. Obviously, no MKs is good, but more Snakes is bad. I think considering other characters and how much they would be buffed by no MK, G&W would overall drop. Toon Link would rise probably a couple of spots. ZSS...I don't have a clue.

-Fox would drop. Wolf would drop with him, but not as much. DK would drop due to increase in D3, but not by much. Peach would be top of mid tier. ROB would rise a bit, possibly a fair bit. Sonic and Ike would both get a noticeable boost, possibly slightly more in Ike's case. I don't think Pit would really move much at all when considering all of the other movement around him.

-As for the other characters, I don't know. Ness might drop slightly due to an increase of Marths, same with Lucas, but how much is unknown. Who would benefit more, Yoshi or PT? I'm leaning towards PT overall, but I don't know. I'd be willing to believe that Link would rise a spot over Falcon, but it's low tier. That area is already fairly jumbled up with lots of "don't know, I guess I'll throw him here" occurring.

Obviously, when it comes to stages, there would be a lot less crying over RC and Brinstar. More stages could be more easily accepted.

 

[Nicole]

nothing will change.

also lol at everyone saying that mk is what keeps peach down.

 

[mikeray4]

probably all the characters would hold hands and sing songs together and **** if metaknight were gone.

Spoiler

(yes, this is a troll attempt, please do not take me seriously)

happiest picture I've ever seen

cept falco, he still looks pissed

 

[Nidtendofreak]

nothing will change.

also lol at everyone saying that mk is what keeps peach down.

Fox and Wolf (Fox in particular) are noted for having "better than average" MUs against MK.

Peach's worst or arguably worst MU is MK.

Logically, if some of the reason why Fox and Wolf are higher is gone, and some of the reason why Peach is where she is is gone, they would pass each other going opposite directions.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

Top 5

Snake
Diddy
Falco
Marth
ICs

imo.

 

[M@v]

happiest picture I've ever seen

cept falco, he still looks pissed

Because ice climbers are right behind him, obviously.

 

[MJG]

Because ice climbers are right behind him, obviously.

LOL MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. Thats why he is not holding popo's hand...he gets hugged by popo and nana enough.

 

[teluoborg]

What will happen if MK is banned (imho) :
people will be able to counterpick.
And that changes everything.

 

[M@v]

LOL MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. Thats why he is not holding popo's hand...he gets hugged by popo and nana enough.

I know. Falco is one of my mains.

I HATE POPO/NANA HUGS.

 

[Coney]

no, he's smirking because he just killed nana and plans on timing lone popo out

 

[Judo777]

best part is that popo is still trying to grab Falco.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

"Missed it by THAT much."

I agree. It will take some time to see how the tier list would change.

 

[Hippieslayer]

Regarding OP, this would happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzJY96m3lkg

 

[Starwave]

Pit will probably make a decent rise, because his worst AND most prevalent matchup (MK) would be gone. After MK, Pit really only has to worry about Wario and can now solo a tournament without resorting to MK esque counterpicks.

 

[BlueXenon]

All characters who were placed lower because of their bad match up with meta knight would be higher. For example, Zelda would be 5 spots higher at least.

 

[Tesh]

everyone would lose one bad matchup, life would go on low tiers would still suck

 

[Grim Tuesday]

TIER LIST:
S+ TIER (BANNED):


S TIER:


A TIER:


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C TIER:


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E TIER:


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Characters are only roughly ordered in their own tier.​

 

[John12346]

I would swap ICs with Olimar
Move Zamus up to the bottom of B tier
Move R.O.B. two spots up
Put Sheik at the top of G tier
Lower Jiggly by like 5 spots, what's with her placement lmao
Move Falcon to the bottom of H tier

No big changes; this is a really agreeable list, Grim.