Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[-ACE-]

I've been teaching my 9 year old niece, how to SHL with Falco just so I can get that tech down.

LOL. That's way better than me playing against lvl 9 Falco on FD, powershielding his lasers and then fair'ing him back to the other side haha

 

[KirbyKaze]

My foot has more tech skill than your 9 year old niece.

 

[Divinokage]

Rofl @ Scar. I'll murk your Falcon any day bud. =P

But support Scar's claim. It does take a very smart/technical player to make it to the top. I believe there's an old thread even committed to this statement. I'll have to look it up sometime.

Kage - I think if you just had someone to practice with almost everyday; you could easily grasp the concept of power shielding at will. haha (True story) I've been teaching my 9 year old niece, how to SHL with Falco just so I can get that tech down. She's actually pretty technical (at least with that), and I told her I'd teach her Jigglypuff, so watch out Scar...Mango won't be the only kid to be looking out for.

Well, that's not for you to decide =P.. Also girls can't play video games correctly, haha. =P

 

[CluelessBTD]

Well, that's not for you to decide =P.. Also girls can't play video games correctly, haha. =P

It's not that they can't, it's that they don't want to because they are missing the competitive hormone: Testosterone. Take a look at the majority of the competitive community.

I actually got this idea from my gf cuz she says that's why she doesn't want to learn this game. She doesn't feel the need to compete like I do. She just wants to have a tea party.

 

[Divinokage]

It's not that they can't, it's that they don't want to because they are missing the competitive hormone: Testosterone. Take a look at the majority of the competitive community.

I actually got this idea from my gf cuz she says that's why she doesn't want to learn this game. She doesn't feel the need to compete like I do. She just wants to have a tea party.

lol.. well I wanted to say also that the skill level is dependant to how much you want to win.

 

[SynikaL]

lol I recently figured out that it takes precision more of less, but then I watch guys like Chops, who can move there hands ridiculously fast. Then I watch guys like you Kye, who don't move as fast, but every action they do with their character seems so accurate. I want to be a really technical player that has added intelligence to his game. Because to be a really good player, you have to be technical AND smart.

Chops is a freak, everyone knows this.

Well, he also plays Falco, a character that requires many button presses per second.

Besides that, there's this misconception that only competitive players **** their GC controllers. Watch scrubs/casuals hands when they play and you'd swear they were beasts at the game. It's just the nature of playing Smash.

Being technical at Smash is more about timing than fast fingers -- just like any fighting game. Very few techniques in this game require legitimately fast fingers.

Black players have a reputation of being technical in fighting games. No joke, there's a legitimate, sociological hypothesis for this phenomenon: Blacks are culturally socialized into environments that promote musical rhythms. This is why Blacks tend to be so rhythmically inclined in regards to anything requiring physical timing, whether it be sports, music... or videogames.

@ Kye- It's not so much that people aren't willing to disregard other techs in favor of other ones, it's just that most tech skills require the assistance of two people (which for most of us; isn't feasible) It's kinda unfair to call those people "impatient" or "unimaginative" when they aren't even presented with a steady partner at will.

I don't think it's unfair at all, you're just interpreting it as insult, when it isn't meant to be one. It's just the nature of the beast. Not every man is born to be a leader. You definitely don't *need* another person to practice techniques -- you just have to get more creative with the CPU.

Oh and I always thought you played with some sort of modded controller, or at least broke it into your preference Kye. I remember you specially complaining about not having your "moonwalking controller" (I lul'd btw lol) So what makes that controller so different from the other conventional controller out there? Why not just use any other regular controller to moonwalk around with? (Just asking, not trying to pick a fight, cuz I know you'll beat me up :D )

I was partially joking. I prefer Control Sticks that aren't stiff, cause' they promote moon walking and Reverse SHL. It is true, that I do prefer a specific type of controller ATM (Black, springs not too strong, fresh grip on Control Stick, but not stiff), but in reality, I learned it's all superficial.

There's was a time where my tech skill was so on point, that I didn't own a controller -- the last local tourney I won at a Lan Center called The Vortex (long ago), I went through the whole tournament borrowing people's controllers. I must have played with four different controllers that day. All it really takes is being in tune with the game.


-Kimo

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Haha, Jason you're destroying your niece's future. Teach her how to read better books or practice some math with her. Don't make her play video games. That did make me LOL when I read that.

Kye why are Chinese people so good at video games?

Learning PS techs is not something I wanna do cause I wanna be the best. It's just always nice to see something new. Seven years and now Jiggs' and Peach's are popping up on top of tournament standings. The meta game has been constantly fluctuating and a lot of people don't feel like waiting till it settles to look for different things.

I'm definitely gonna start playing with my R trigger pressed in all the way so the analog part of it is nonexistent. There is no mod in that and maybe something new can be learned from it.

Scar you're in NY right? I'd love to get some games in with you sometime. If you're free any time before the 20th let me know.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

If it's just a practice method, that's cool, and innovative. I have no qualms with that, as long as it's kept in the home.

This can be taken out of context in soo many ways but I'll let your imaginations take over.

Also I didn't get a response from the guy. I would like to see the video he's been working on for over a year. He probably dropped the game though.

 

[SwizzyUK]

Hey guys, I need some serious help vs captain falcon (Scar posting made me think now is a good time to ask lol)
Try not to judge me too harshly from this vid, I make a tonne of mistakes in it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X22lnVzlIh8
I'm pretty sure I should be able to beat this guy but I just can't play against the manliness that is falcon - anyone got any pointers for me? The only thing I know was bad was my edge play, but other than that is there anything I'm doing too much or not enough?

Oh and btw, in case you're wondering why Ganon's f-air is sh*t, it's because this is PAL.
Scar feel free to help me out here too

 

[LoOshKiN]

I haven't posted or contributed in a long time. I just wanted to pop in and say I owe everything I am as a Ganon main to you guys and these boards. You guys are awesome

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Swizzy I'll get back to you on a your matches. Looking good. For now the main thing I saw was you getting to caught up shielding.

 

[KIngGerudo]

Hey guys, I need some serious help vs captain falcon (Scar posting made me think now is a good time to ask lol)
Try not to judge me too harshly from this vid, I make a tonne of mistakes in it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X22lnVzlIh8
I'm pretty sure I should be able to beat this guy but I just can't play against the manliness that is falcon - anyone got any pointers for me? The only thing I know was bad was my edge play, but other than that is there anything I'm doing too much or not enough?

Oh and btw, in case you're wondering why Ganon's f-air is sh*t, it's because this is PAL.
Scar feel free to help me out here too

pretty good Swizzy! I liked everything except PAL fair the only advice i can give you (i expect others to give advice also) is when you get a grab, make sure you make it count, because if he regains composure, expect a manly beating.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Ok Swizzy so I saw your three vids and this is what I got from it. You messed up with edge guarding, DI and getting caught up in your shield when Falcon was nowhere near approaching.

A helpful tip when edge guarding Falcon is when you're timing reverse uair don't time it based on how far or close he is to the stage but how close he is to the edge. Unlike Ganon's up B he has better air control out of his but he has to come down sometime. Ready a sweet spot uair and as he moves back and forth just look at his height. When he is ready to get the edge just reverse uair, simple as that. Once he sees he can't mindgame you like that he will just get on stage and get bair'd.

DI is simple, DI AWAY!! Sometimes I to get caught up DIing up but this is no good. If you are expecting a knee and get caught DIing up your bound to get caught in a combo. A good note to make is if he has to full jump to hit you DI away no matter what. You'll be out of the combo unless he lands on a platform and recovers his momentum.

Approaching Falcon is easy but you need to be carful you don't jump to much. Angle up ftilt. I must have posted this many times and it works. Beats nairs and other aerials. Once Falcon catches on to that you will either be approached with a full jump or a grab/side b. Uair is the safest bet vs a full jump dair or any aerial and on the ground if Falcon gets to close jab. Just try and remember that your ground game has lots of priority on his SH game. Don't get caught up in your shield cause you need those tilts and jabs ready for action.

Hope that helped. If I get to play Scar I'll be back asking the same questions as Swizzy. :uzi:

KIngGerudo the only thing super sayain in your sig is the kid Gohan undoing Jackson's pants.

 

[-ACE-]

Swizzy, like KIngGerudo said, you really have to make those grabs count. Forget about usmash from the dthrow unless you're sure they'll land on a platform. Tech chase primarily with dsmash/dair when you think they will tech in place (racks up damage and sets up for combos), and if you predict they will roll run and fair them (often sets you up for an easy edgeguard). You can also mix it up with a jab to throw them off (usually people miss this tech the first few times), and follow up with a fair.

dsmash tech chase - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvr8_KusoQ0#t=0m10s
fair tech chase - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvr8_KusoQ0#t=4m2s
jab (no tech) fair tech chase - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgmh2KNiDtI#t=3m14s

You can often get a grab just by shieldgrabbing, but remember to grab out of a dair at low %.

Listen to Tip about those angled up ftilts. You might not get the timing overnight but it can really shut down Falcon's SH approach.

Speaking of PAL Ganon, Guini plays in that French tourney today. I can't imagine having to play Armada with PAL Ganon lol. Hopefully we'll see some vids.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Hope Guini does well in France.

Swizzy toss links up of the next time you play that Falcon. You were looking good in those vids.

 

[Scar]

Scar you're in NY right? I'd love to get some games in with you sometime. If you're free any time before the 20th let me know.

Yeah I'm in Philly but I'm down for some melee, I think I'm gonna be in NYC for a week sometime pretty soon so I'll let you know

also spider_sense $50 mm so long as you're not rock crock LOLOL love that kid

ganon players are pretty chill

 

[KIngGerudo]

KIngGerudo the only thing super sayain in your sig is the kid Gohan undoing Jackson's pants.

looool well thats what i get for looking for a new sig and typing in action jackson.

 

[Divinokage]

Hope Guini does well in France.

Swizzy toss links up of the next time you play that Falcon. You were looking good in those vids.

Whoa did he go to Super Lion?

Yeah I'm in Philly but I'm down for some melee, I think I'm gonna be in NYC for a week sometime pretty soon so I'll let you know

also spider_sense $50 mm so long as you're not rock crock LOLOL love that kid

ganon players are pretty chill

LOL I WANT TO SEE THAT!!! Of course we are chill, whenever we fight we want to crush someone completely everytime loll.

 

[spider_sense]

lol Kage wants to see the match. I don't have $50 to spend like that, but I'll play you for 5-10 bucks. And Kage I still want that Roy vs Ganon MM. =P

 

[SwizzyUK]

OK, that all sounds like really good advice so thanks guys. Especially -Ace- and Tip. If anyone else wants to add anything then go ahead, but im gonna go practice that match up a LOT and hopefully win it next time.

Those were the only vids taken of me so far tip, but when I get more matches recorded I'll definitely post the links up as I'm always after advice - I'm aiming for a spot in UK top 5

Guini update pls... wtf happened at SL4?
From the tourney thread it looks like he came 5th in teams and no entry for singles. I was expecting you to show europe how Ganon's played.

Oh also, if anyone can point me in the direction of some Ganon's beating on good CF's then pm me (or throw the links up in here). Those ones from ace were decent, more like that please. Tip, if you get any games on tape of you vs. Scar then let me know.

 

[KIngGerudo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaN128xjbUE

match starts @ 2:37?

 

[skitlzz]

my brother plays sheik and i play ganon what should i do beside chain grab because im really bad at it

 

[spider_sense]

my brother plays sheik and i play ganon what should i do beside chain grab because im really bad at it

First learn to practice chain grabbing sheik, because no matter how bad you are at it now, over time it becomes easier, and it's an essential skill to use in this matchup. But other things you can do to Sheik is reverse upairs while she's recovering on platforms. Dairs...usually lead to free grabs, and also side-b which can lead into a fair or bair. (whichever you prefer) Oh and when you do manage to get in a grab, remember to dthrow, and follow it up with a fair (if she DI's in front of you) or bair (if she DI's behind you) or upsmash (if she decides not to DI or DI's straight up) This is all I can think of at the moment, but practice your chain grabbing to the point you become proficient at it.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

CC everything, dtilt and stay on the ground. Something I saw Kage do that was nice was CC dsmash into a downb. Connected perfect.

 

[Linguini]

I went to the french tourney. My hand was fvcked up though since I punched *object* the wrong way the day before the tourney. I forced myself to play doubles and by the end of that my hand was ****in killing me. My teamate was maddd nub tho lol.
The next day I really wanted to enter singles but the only thing I could do was fair lol, I couldnt waveland or anything so there was no point in wasting money. I went to a doctor and my thumb is really messed up I made it worse by playing so I gotta wear this gay thumb cast for a week.


Things I learned. US is significantly better than EU(I was playing amsah the first day, who won the tourney and was going pretty even with his sheik).

PAL ganon is fvcking garbage. His fair and dair suck, not only does this make it harder to get kills but it completely changes the way you play your ganon game, I had to adjust alot.
I prefer playing against the broken high tiers in NTSC.

FVCK PAL

Not playing for a month gave me alot of time to come up with new ganon stuff. Expect to see me ****** in tourneys from now on, ill make sure to record.

 

[spider_sense]

I went to the french tourney. My hand was fvcked up though since I punched *object* the wrong way the day before the tourney. I forced myself to play doubles and by the end of that my hand was ****in killing me. My teamate was maddd nub tho lol.
The next day I really wanted to enter singles but the only thing I could do was fair lol, I couldnt waveland or anything so there was no point in wasting money. I went to a doctor and my thumb is really messed up I made it worse by playing so I gotta wear this gay thumb cast for a week.


Things I learned. US is significantly better than EU(I was playing amsah the first day, who won the tourney and was going pretty even with his sheik).

PAL ganon is fvcking garbage. His fair and dair suck, not only does this make it harder to get kills but it completely changes the way you play your ganon game, I had to adjust alot.
I prefer playing against the broken high tiers in NTSC.

FVCK PAL

Not playing for a month gave me alot of time to come up with new ganon stuff. Expect to see me ****** in tourneys from now on, ill make sure to record.

Hey man, you're back!!! Got any war stories to share? How the fvck did you bust your hand? lol Glad to see you murked in tourneys, and even better to know you're back.

 

[-ACE-]

Linguini that blows about your thumb bro. Looking forward to some vids.

 

[SwizzyUK]

Unlucky with the thumb man. Sucks about the tourney tho, I wish I'd come and teamed with you - double Ganon ftw. Anyone ever done well with that team? Does it work well lol?

Yeah, my friend keeps telling me he's never seen a Ganon which plays like mine, and thats because all Ganons worth mentioning are from America so I have to play him differently, I don't have a choice. Fvck playing the broken top tiers though, I have enough trouble against those guys as it is.

There are loads of discussions on EU boards about how to improve - UK (where I'm from) < EU < America, and people want to get UK up to EU level (and then maybe the level of one american state or something seeing as thats about the size we are lol). If anyone's got any input then feel free to throw it in this thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=242036

Anyways, good luck in tourneys guini, get those vids out there so we can push Ganon up the tier list. Lookin forward to seeing these new things you've worked out.

 

[CluelessBTD]

Good luck with the thumb Linguini. If it was anywhere near as bad as my thumb injury (got into a fight) it'll have your sh** feelin' f***ed up for years. It took 3 months for my swelling to go away, and then all the tendons and cartilage toughened when it healed so it always feels kinda stiff. I just stretch it everyday, it's gotten somewhat better.

That was 5 years ago.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Try using glucosimine supplements. I used to have problems with tendons and my joints and chest cracking. Been messing with glucosimine and my **** got healed and strengthened fast. Don't go a day without it.

 

[-ACE-]

Tip is right. I worked as a pharmacy tech for 4 years and know what pharmacists recommend

 

[SynikaL]

Try using glucosimine supplements. I used to have problems with tendons and my joints and chest cracking. Been messing with glucosimine and my **** got healed and strengthened fast. Don't go a day without it.

D@mn, I need to start fvcking with that. My ankles have gotten mad sore from running in the mornings. Couple days ago, I was limpin' and waddlin' like Charlie Chaplin in uneven stilettos.

-Kye
(WTF? There's a glucosamine supplement ad on Smashboards, right now. Adware, or coincidence? I don't remember doing any recent searches for it...)

 

[CluelessBTD]

Tip is right. I worked as a pharmacy tech for 4 years and know what pharmacists recommend

You weren't certified? How'd you like the job? I'm starting college for that in the fall. It's a year long program, but I've gotta do something that will be recession resistant. Being laid-off sux hard.

Did they train you on the job? How did it pay? You can just PM me all that please :D

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Kye I been telling you about it. I got my bro and a friend in the souf using what I use. My friend has his knee fvcked up from going to concerts and fooling around without letting it heal. He stays rocking a knee brace for a little more than a year and a half now. He says its been helping him.

I suffered from chronic tendinitis at two different points in my childhood along with other joint complications. Gotta heal right and stay healthy. It's not fun being handicapped. The parking space isn't worth it.

 

[SynikaL]

The parking space isn't worth it.

LIES.

What was the name of what you use again?


-Kimo

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

You weren't certified? How'd you like the job? I'm starting college for that in the fall. It's a year long program, but I've gotta do something that will be recession resistant. Being laid-off sux hard.

Did they train you on the job? How did it pay? You can just PM me all that please :D

pharmacy tech is kinda like an assistant to the pharmacist. You have to get certified (take 1 class or pay them money in my state). Walgreens pays ~$15/hr right now.

 

[-ACE-]

You weren't certified? How'd you like the job? I'm starting college for that in the fall. It's a year long program, but I've gotta do something that will be recession resistant. Being laid-off sux hard.

Did they train you on the job? How did it pay? You can just PM me all that please :D

posted on your profile.

Edit: Kye, Osteo bi-flex is a good one, but you can get the generic version to save money.

 

[SynikaL]

Good ish, Ace. I'll check it out. I should be able to find it at my local nutrition retailer, like GNC, right?


-Kimo

 

[-ACE-]

Yea man, shouldn't be a problem at all.

So about Link's nemesis...

 

[SynikaL]

I bet Ganon could use some glucosamine.


-Kye