thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
alright, and no I was just saying that the ability to read people and analyze them comes from being a good player overall. thanks =]
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
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-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Best things I can say are learn to l-cancel, DI, and tech. There are threads that explain it thoroughly in the Melee section.
Watch vids of Chaddd, Linguini, Kage, Tipman, Renth, and RockCrock. They are the Ganon masters (I would say Eddie and Bushman but the metagame has changed a bit since they were active).
Watch vids of Chaddd, Linguini, Kage, Tipman, Renth, and RockCrock. They are the Ganon masters (I would say Eddie and Bushman but the metagame has changed a bit since they were active).
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Poor poor bushman, giving up melee for d2 farming bots 
Divinokage
Smash Legend
At least its not WoW... lol.Poor poor bushman, giving up melee for d2 farming bots
DippnDots
Feral Youth
WoW had fun PvP at level 60 if you had a group, but yeah, it's ****ing ******** now.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Agreed, Vanilla WoW with the old MC, BWL, AQ and Naxx... was really challenging and only the hardcore can accomplish everything. And ya PvP with the ranking systems was fun too... Ahh the good old glory days of WoW... man I miss it.
thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
woah wtf there is no ranking in WoW anymore?!?!?
I stopped playing about a year and some ago and thats all I did... what happened
=[[
Divinokage
Smash Legend
They made WoW supremely noob friendly like more than half the guilds can complete all the instances. There's now achievements.. like 800 of them.. there's hard mode bosses, at least those only the good guilds can do. Basically, EVERYONE has epics at level 80... in one day you can easily get 7-8 pieces of purple lol. Ummm.. ya heroics give badges that you can trade in for epics basically. For PvP, whenever you win a BG you get honor and you can use honor to buy PvP gear, simple as that. There's also Arena like 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5... and you need high rating to buy the leet ****... that's obviously not for everyone as well..woah wtf there is no ranking in WoW anymore?!?!?
I stopped playing about a year and some ago and thats all I did... what happened
=[[
They kept at least a few things for the hardcore but in general it's so boring.
BUT, I've heard that the next patch is a completely new game basically, the whole Azeroth continent is gonna change.. Orgrimmar is destroyed.. and **** happens.. lol. It looks fun. I may get back into it.
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Kage don't fall victim to this horrible vice!
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Lol, I played WoW for almost 4 years since the game came out.. I obviously have time for smash as well. =P
Also, I love fantasy stories, they are amazing. I'm just doing what I love.
Woj
Smash Cadet
Alright I played vs Fox/Falco in tournament the other day and honestly i go totally *****... Like the guys I played were a higher level than me granted and they applied a crazy amount of pressure, broke my walll and penetrated my spacing and then combo-ed the **** outta me.
My question is this, should I take the time to learn the CG on falco/fox or is it just a matter of mastering spacing that will come with experience? cuz getting ***** that bad didn't feel too good haha
thanks guys
My question is this, should I take the time to learn the CG on falco/fox or is it just a matter of mastering spacing that will come with experience? cuz getting ***** that bad didn't feel too good haha
thanks guys
Linguini
Smash Master
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Agreed, it's always good to have but it's only minimal against spacies. You gotta learn to space hits properly, not get punished.. learn to pressure them and not the other way around.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
How do you pressure them then?
S.R. XXVII
Smash Ace
I like Uair'ing turnips and catching them. Lol.
The only thing that bothers me is the Dsmash, which isn't that bad if you space decently. I like Yoshi's or FD against Peaches.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
If you hold up when you expect a dsmash you shouldn't get hit more than once or twice at the most, unless Peach is on a platform (but you should be constantly aware of this and try to avoid that situation if at all possible). So much of the Peach matchup is just spacing. Once you are good at keeping the right distance from Peach (and don't miss any l-cancels) A lot of your problems should go away. Work on catching turnips and make every grab count. Dthrow is great for a free bair/fair (high percents) or uair (low percents - combos at 0%). Also dthrow to usmash at 60-65% or so.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Should it be played like Marth where your back is facing her most of the time?
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Nah, although bair is great, you can really go out there and fair Peach in most situations as long as you space it well.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
I wouldn't spam it, but yes reverse uair is pretty good. Try following it up with an ftilt at low/medium%
edit: I'm answering too many questions in linguini's thread lol.. thought this was Ganon vs.
zidane3015
Smash Cadet
How do you fight against campy falcos that just laser camp the entire match and not let you move?
spider_sense
Smash Champion
You powershield or jump around, while making slow advances towards him, but you want Falco to approach you as often as possible and in some occasions it's good to take the lasers on purpose, because it gives the falco the false notion that he can easily come in with an attack, which you can take away by doing an f-tilt or grab, so basically Ganon vs Falco is a bait game. Oh and his bairs make Ganon's hitbox shrink along with his double jump. Wavelands consistenly forward to keep Falco scared. They'll be much more inclined to dair, nair or shine you if you get to close. If there's any platforms available don't be afraid to use them to your advantage. Hope that helps little Kev.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
So for those of you who know about Falcon and his ******** tech chasing, how he can do it upon reaction time, what should I do? I get tech chased -> regrab too much, and they end it with a Knee, or Dair to Knee.
Linguini
Smash Master
Techase to regrab shouldn't be as much of a problem for ganon if your teching isn't predictable. Most of the time I wouldn't tech towards the ledge because a knee near the ledge spells disaster at any percent.Tech to jab is pretty quick and slaps him way if he tries to regrab.After hitting him with the jab and he throws you into another techase situation do a different tech because he will surely be expecting the tech in plac to jab. The bigger dilemma with falcon is the nair to grab with is ridiculously easy on ganon. I try to mash the c stick up to uair out but this only works once in a while; so far I haven't found any good solutions to this problem.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
I would love to jab out of my tech, but the problem is he gets to me, and grabs before I can jab. The problem is that Falcon can tech chase me upon reaction time to my techs, and regrab before I can do anything. As long as he reacts to my tech and was in the right spot before it, he can grab me before I can do anything. I've tried jumping out, spot dodging, jabbing, but I just get regrabbed.
So another solution to my problem, would obviously be to not be predictable with my tech chasing. I don't know how to mix it up anymore, because I'm being told I'm being tech chased upon reaction time.
I don't have any videos up of my Ganon, but I'll try to get some other videos with this happening.
Edit:
I found a video. This is a Falcon ditto, but I think the tech chasing can still be done upon reaction time. If you don't know what I mean, just watch the video (only the first match).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWf3ufZiNCA
So another solution to my problem, would obviously be to not be predictable with my tech chasing. I don't know how to mix it up anymore, because I'm being told I'm being tech chased upon reaction time.
I don't have any videos up of my Ganon, but I'll try to get some other videos with this happening.
Edit:
I found a video. This is a Falcon ditto, but I think the tech chasing can still be done upon reaction time. If you don't know what I mean, just watch the video (only the first match).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWf3ufZiNCA
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Is he tech chasing you out of grabs? Are you mixing up your DI as well as your techs?
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Yeah, I'm mixing up my DI. Of course DIing up or down will result in failure, and back will result in another grab or Bair if he watches. Forward will get you out, and I like to get to get a tech in, so I DI down and away. I don't like staying in the air, just because Ganon is more vulnerable that way, and if the opponent can get you to use your second jump, you're in a bad situation (correct me if I'm wrong here, its just what I found as experience, but I don't have much of that).
So DI, I mix it up, for sure. Behind, and forward. If there's other options, let me know. Thanks in advance.
For techs, in the VS matchups section, it says to never tech in place, so that obviously includes purposefully not teching. So this leaves me with two options, teching in and out. Of course, if they notice I never tech in place, its not a bad idea, but that goes for everything else. So for techs, I either just act on intuition, without thinking, or I try to see if there's a pattern in their tech chasing. And if they're baiting me with their movements.
I also know that the human mind likes to stick with the same choice 2 or 3 times, then switch to the next because they finally remember that it doesn't work. If you figure out if the person is the one who doesn't change until 2 times, or the type that doesn't change until the 3rd. Of course this isn't so with everyone, but most people I find do this.
And for the first question, yes, he is tech chasing me out of grabs.
Help?
So DI, I mix it up, for sure. Behind, and forward. If there's other options, let me know. Thanks in advance.
For techs, in the VS matchups section, it says to never tech in place, so that obviously includes purposefully not teching. So this leaves me with two options, teching in and out. Of course, if they notice I never tech in place, its not a bad idea, but that goes for everything else. So for techs, I either just act on intuition, without thinking, or I try to see if there's a pattern in their tech chasing. And if they're baiting me with their movements.
I also know that the human mind likes to stick with the same choice 2 or 3 times, then switch to the next because they finally remember that it doesn't work. If you figure out if the person is the one who doesn't change until 2 times, or the type that doesn't change until the 3rd. Of course this isn't so with everyone, but most people I find do this.
And for the first question, yes, he is tech chasing me out of grabs.
Help?
Dear Ganons,
This past saturday I went to a tournament and played really bad. When thinking about what my weaknesses are at the moment, I realized that one fairly big one is that I have no idea how to approach. My style is typically a defensive-zoning (try to pseudo pressure with double-aerials and odd attack angles mixed with platform camping when applicable). This strategy works when my opponent doesn't have a projectile and/or I have a lead, but when one of these conditions isn't fulfilled I tend to have a more difficult time winning. What should I do when I am forced to approach? Right now I mostly try to DD-grab and space a fair (which I think I do sloppily since I get grabbed tons as a result of this, so I try for grab mostly).
Also, and this might be better in the Ganon vs section, but what do I do vs Link? I feel so helpless until I can get my hands on him. But he's got such a solid spam wall that that can take a long time and I can't always win the attrition battle. I know small stages (YS, BF, Mute) work better than big flat ones (read: FD), but beyond that I got nothing. How do I approach Link in particular, and is there anything I can do besides the CG to mess him up (working on learning the CG)?
Thanks.
This past saturday I went to a tournament and played really bad. When thinking about what my weaknesses are at the moment, I realized that one fairly big one is that I have no idea how to approach. My style is typically a defensive-zoning (try to pseudo pressure with double-aerials and odd attack angles mixed with platform camping when applicable). This strategy works when my opponent doesn't have a projectile and/or I have a lead, but when one of these conditions isn't fulfilled I tend to have a more difficult time winning. What should I do when I am forced to approach? Right now I mostly try to DD-grab and space a fair (which I think I do sloppily since I get grabbed tons as a result of this, so I try for grab mostly).
Also, and this might be better in the Ganon vs section, but what do I do vs Link? I feel so helpless until I can get my hands on him. But he's got such a solid spam wall that that can take a long time and I can't always win the attrition battle. I know small stages (YS, BF, Mute) work better than big flat ones (read: FD), but beyond that I got nothing. How do I approach Link in particular, and is there anything I can do besides the CG to mess him up (working on learning the CG)?
Thanks.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Shield, and chaingrab the **** out of that fairy boy. Seriously, that's pretty much all you have to do...=( I'll elaborate more later when I have time and feel up to it.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Ulti you can catch bombs and jab boomerangs. Stay low till Link loses that boomerang then get on him any way you will while getting ready to catch bombs. Chain grabs are game and his recovery is ****. Don't feel pressured to attack through projectiles when you can manipulate them.
*Catch bombs
*Jab boomerangs
*Fvck him up
And that's how you do it.
-Head under my hat, hat under my hood.
*Catch bombs
*Jab boomerangs
*Fvck him up
And that's how you do it.
-Head under my hat, hat under my hood.
Ryzol_
Smash Apprentice
If I know someone is going to techroll away from me are there any characters that roll too far for ganon to tech chase? Is his sideB the best move for techchasing away techrolls?
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Depends which character you're talking about. Some characters like Falco, you might as well Fair them off-stage and edgeguard.
You can also Down+B. They can never be too far for that. I think you move almost at about the same speed as their roll, so its all about the timing here.
You can also Down+B. They can never be too far for that. I think you move almost at about the same speed as their roll, so its all about the timing here.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
In many situations you use the same timing with the wizard's foot to cover all options, tech roll included.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
What are the best options (also depends on %, I know, so explain that too please) from a grab vs Jiggs?
Linguini
Smash Master
vs jiggs at low percents if he DI's forward uair him because you might be able to get 2. If he doesn't di then you can nair(and maybe get both hits) or dair. You can also u smash from like 0-40 if theres no di. If they di forward past like 50 just fair and if they di behind bair. You can always hit her from a grab with an aerial up until like 120 or something.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
So basically use the aerial that's facing them. If they DI towards you, at low percents always Uair because it may lead to another. So basically just hit them with common sense after you get a grab.
Dthrow always?
Dthrow always?
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Okay, thanks.