-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
lmfao, not as much as Falcon.. that kneecap has got to be in bad shape.
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
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SynikaL
Smash Lord
How dare you question the integrity of the Captain's knees. They were divinely constructed from the passions of street urchins and Zeus' fist.
-Kye
-Kye
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
LOL. All I gotta say is, if you quit making mechanical digits and started making titanium knees, your first customer would be wearing a helmet in tights.
Plus, knee'ing Ganon can be very damaging for obvious reasons..
Plus, knee'ing Ganon can be very damaging for obvious reasons..
SynikaL
Smash Lord
So Ganon's new moniker is "Mr. Ed", then?
-Kimo
-Kimo
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
LOL, from what I understand, it might as well be.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Plus, knee'ing Ganon can be very damaging for obvious reasons..
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^^^ All Ganon mains have big *****. That pic is just an understatement.
^^^ All Ganon mains have big *****. That pic is just an understatement.
bahamutz69
Smash Journeyman
awesome picture
who like SH bairs>rejump>wavelands?
same with uairs
theyre hot yea?
who like SH bairs>rejump>wavelands?
same with uairs
theyre hot yea?
SynikaL
Smash Lord
SH Bair > DBJ Bair > Waveland. Full Jump Dair > Waveland., etc. I'm sure I do em' all.
-Kye
-Kye
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
SH Bair > Waveland catches them off-guard the most.
DGoscar
Smash Rookie
You can do that? I've been messin around trying to do that for a while, but I can never seem to pull it off =(
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
You can't SH bair (or even uair) to waveland on the same surface, if that's what you're asking.
Linguini
Smash Master
Yeah you can, ive been messing around with it and it looks sexy as fvck, not to mention its a quick surprise attack.
Back in the US!
Back in the US!
RockCrock
Smash Champion
No, you can't waveland after any short-hopped aerial.
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/Ganondorf_frames_11.6.05.txt
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/Ganondorf_frames_11.6.05.txt
Divinokage
Smash Legend
But you can definitely at least full jump aerial to Waveland... I was actually trying some techniques after watching Tipman fight Vanz and Eggm, =P... I wish I could do those technical lol.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
I know for a fact that you cannot perform an short hopped aerial with Ganon into a waveland because we had this discussion a very long time ago and I tested with Action Replay.
The only thing that will interrupt the aerials in time for another action is a double jump.
However, you could try to double jump out and immediately airdodge towards the ground for a non-perfect waveland. You do have to double jump first though.
The only thing that will interrupt the aerials in time for another action is a double jump.
However, you could try to double jump out and immediately airdodge towards the ground for a non-perfect waveland. You do have to double jump first though.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
You can SH bair/upair to dbj waveland on platforms, which happens to be mega sexy for edgeguarding phantasm onto the stage or firefox in the same situation. Some fun combos can be had tech chasing on platforms with upair this way. Try it out.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Rock and Clue know it. Maybe on FoD when the platforms are at thier lowest you could SH bair or uair off em into a waveland to throw your opponent off but that's it.
Kage you and Guini should just get your techs down. I'm scrub mode. I miss so many L cancels but get many wins cause of my techs. You guys are the real Ganons placing top. If you guys got your techs down you would **** on everyone.
Kage you and Guini should just get your techs down. I'm scrub mode. I miss so many L cancels but get many wins cause of my techs. You guys are the real Ganons placing top. If you guys got your techs down you would **** on everyone.
Linguini
Smash Master
I got my techs down dunno what your talking about tommy hah.
I mean im not insanely technical like you or kye but im considered to be pretty technical with ganon.
I mean im not insanely technical like you or kye but im considered to be pretty technical with ganon.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
I mean when your under the platform, You can do this on Battlefield and I'm pretty sure on Dreamland too (really hard though). I tested this a while ago so I forget if only Falcon could do Dreamland.
Just picture staying on the stage, predicting a phantasm onto the stage so you sh bair, then you see the firefox and you just doublejump waveland reverse upair/bair them. Obviously you can jump again after the waveland as well.
If you got this I'm sorry, but I guess I just wanted to clarify it.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Yeah I got you Arc. I like using that on Stadium a lot. Speaking about Stadium, I hate doing full jump fairs by a platform only to get caught up on it without doing the punch. That was really getting to me when I first saw you could do that. I learned it then couldn't unlearn it. Sucked.
Guini your right. The one tech I never see you use is RLD. That is so versatile. You should consider putting time into it.
Guini your right. The one tech I never see you use is RLD. That is so versatile. You should consider putting time into it.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Guini, if you're having problems with techs, I can definitely sit down and show you buddy. Anyways, maaaan Tipman. Dude I just gotta say thanks alot for playing the game. Watching you play really got me motivated and helped changed my playstyle and mentality for the better.
I was playing Steven and found out how you can get a very early kill. Once you dair some one, jump up with them and down-b, and if they're close to the edge, it'll send them off with no possible way to recover because of the spike.
I was playing Steven and found out how you can get a very early kill. Once you dair some one, jump up with them and down-b, and if they're close to the edge, it'll send them off with no possible way to recover because of the spike.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
Got a new thread for you guys to contribute to
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8150496#post8150496
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8150496#post8150496
Divinokage
Smash Legend
What am I considered as?
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
I wouldn't consider you the most technical, but I would consider you the most accurate.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
IMO, Kage has great spacing and DI, and is also consistent at executing basic stuff like frame perfect fastfalls and frame perfect drop through aerials on platforms, which are very important when it comes to Ganon. He's really restricting himself by not learning to ledgedash or perfect waveland on platforms though. He's nowhere near the most technical Ganon to me, but I really like his Ganon and you can't deny his overall skill.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
The Lumberjack slam. That describes Kage.
The only technicals I would suggest you polish up Kage are the edge techs. To be honest the other stuff is great but you might get caught up in your techs and not play the way you should. And let's be real, a lot of it is just fancy moves at the moment. Rock and you are the same and Guini at times. You guys wait till you get those hard hitting moves in and it works. Land dashes are the most practical on stage tech. When you start adding moonwalks and platform dashes with it they take up time and just aren't so practical for doing anything but throwing your opponent off while getting little hits that can lead to techs that can lead to big hits. When I start feeling comfortable with my techs I try and play with heavy moves like you Kage but sometimes I gotta stay moving.
Kage's Homework
-RLD to fair/dair on an edge guarding opponent
-Ledgedash turn around jab/tilt/grab
-More ledge stalling between stocks
I wanna see you win Pound4! I won't be going unless some good fortune comes my way. Oh, and if Guini is there you guys should get some dittos going. Saw the crew battle and knowing how Ganon dittos go the next match either of you two could have been four stocked. IMO there really is a lot to learn from Ganon dittos.
The only technicals I would suggest you polish up Kage are the edge techs. To be honest the other stuff is great but you might get caught up in your techs and not play the way you should. And let's be real, a lot of it is just fancy moves at the moment. Rock and you are the same and Guini at times. You guys wait till you get those hard hitting moves in and it works. Land dashes are the most practical on stage tech. When you start adding moonwalks and platform dashes with it they take up time and just aren't so practical for doing anything but throwing your opponent off while getting little hits that can lead to techs that can lead to big hits. When I start feeling comfortable with my techs I try and play with heavy moves like you Kage but sometimes I gotta stay moving.
Kage's Homework
-RLD to fair/dair on an edge guarding opponent
-Ledgedash turn around jab/tilt/grab
-More ledge stalling between stocks
I wanna see you win Pound4! I won't be going unless some good fortune comes my way. Oh, and if Guini is there you guys should get some dittos going. Saw the crew battle and knowing how Ganon dittos go the next match either of you two could have been four stocked. IMO there really is a lot to learn from Ganon dittos.
Linguini
Smash Master
Already bought my ticket dood, im going. And im going to tipped off in GA which is 3 weeks from now.
Kage,your pretty much normal lol, not good with the techs and not bad.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
What would you consider RockCrock?
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Divinokage
Smash Legend
What do you use to let go of the edge? Down on the Joystick or back on the C-Stick.. just remember I don't claw so back on the C-stick for me is very awkward, I tried it lots of times.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Use the C-stick back to let go then use the joystick to jump forward. Cstick back > Joystick up and towards the stage. I don't know exactly what you mean by claw but I hold the controller regular. To get RLD down do a few ledge dash to moonwalks. It keeps the fingers fresh as odd as it sounds. Practice your RLD on the DK stage with the barrel underneath and the two platforms. Once you get it down go to Battlefield and try, then go to FD and try it. After that if you want you can go to FoD and test your timing on the hardest stage. Best tip for doing it though is learn to keep an eye on Ganon. Make sure he is on top of the stage when you go back. Unlike a ledge dash you need to be on stage before you air dodge and not just at the ledge's height.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
I always go down on the normal analog stick and jump. I'll try the C-Stick thing.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
For me, using the control stick down has been the easiest. However, the problem arises when you don't have a fresh control stick, cuz the looser it is, the easier it is to accidentally fast fall or mess it up.
thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
So guys, I'm coming to you from the brawl boards in need of some answers. I plan to attend Pound 4 and rep Ganon in brawl, and I want to in melee too, but I'm just not that good yet =/ If I record videos against cpus, would that help at all? If anything, what are the primary things I should focus on when practicing.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Recording vs CPUs would not help very much... however if you do practice on them.. I guess you can practice some combos for starters. But the main thing I would practice is obviously with an opponent that's willing to kick your *** all the time so you both can grow from each other. Because when you fight someone, his DI will vary, his tech on the floor will vary... basically every decision someone makes will change. So, you have to get good at reading and then punishing him for doing a mistake. Computers always do the same thing so it's not very good to practice vs them. And also practice spacing between your opponents, make sure when you hit him and then he shields for example, he can't punish you back.. that would mean you had good spacing.
Also, if you want to practice alone without CPUs, I suppose there's some techs you can practice which the other Ganons here can explain better than me.. since I'm pretty normal at being technical with Ganon lol.
thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
yeah I'm pretty good at the whole reading thing cause of brawl 
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well that's one thing, the next thing is you have to watch your own patterns as well. If you do the same thing too many times then the opponent is obviously gonna exploit it.. well at least at high level play. Though that's the hardest thing to do in any fighting games.. mixing it up to be unpredictable. You gotta be able to change all the time... Mastering this requires massive adaptation skills... I try to mix it up but even I fail too so ya. =Pyeah I'm pretty good at the whole reading thing cause of brawl
thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
>.< I know all that already, I need actual melee tips. All the stuff you're telling me I already do cause I'm a top level brawl Ganon, but I need tips for actual melee gameplay, like things that I need to know specifically about Ganon, and not things about being a good player, thats all =]
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Are you suggesting that brawl ganon skills translate to melee ganon skills in some kind of way? lol. It would take pages and pages of typing for anyone here to explain to even a 'a top brawl ganon' key things to know in playing melee ganon. There's a lot more to what kage said than you think and he was only scratching the surface, because that's all he can do without typing a tremendous amount of text.
In a melee tournament as ganon, you are going to get ***** by anyone who is proficient with a top/high tier character because he is very easy to combo unless you are hitting all of your DI's and crucial smash DI's when needed.
The best advice I could give you if you're preparing to do this in a short period of time is practice a bunch towards knowing the in's and out's of ganon's hitbox concerning different match-ups. Know which characters you can dthrow chaingrab and DI properly. There's a ****load more but it all comes with practice.
forgot ace was on my laptop
-Dorsey
In a melee tournament as ganon, you are going to get ***** by anyone who is proficient with a top/high tier character because he is very easy to combo unless you are hitting all of your DI's and crucial smash DI's when needed.
The best advice I could give you if you're preparing to do this in a short period of time is practice a bunch towards knowing the in's and out's of ganon's hitbox concerning different match-ups. Know which characters you can dthrow chaingrab and DI properly. There's a ****load more but it all comes with practice.
forgot ace was on my laptop
-Dorsey
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
yep^^^^^^^