Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[G. Vice]

Hmm, I guess you got a solid point... but yea kinda haha. To be fair I guess my top favorites are kage spidey and linguini (original, I know). Either way, I base some aspects of my style off of all you guys (or at least try to) to some extent.

Oh and btw, you forgot renth

Yeah, I'm a little used to Renth being retired.

 

[LoOshKiN]

No one retires, they just become (temporarily) inactive.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I expect ken to come back any day now

 

[RaphaelRobo]

The question is, is he going to come back to Melee, or Survivor?

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Neither.

We recorded Ganondorf 2v2 feat. RockRenth vs SpiderMann

Videos coming soon.

 

[Geenareeno]

Ohhh that will be good.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

SpiderMann is an awesome team name.

 

[Master Ppv]

SpiderMann is an awesome team name.

This. So much of this.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Haha agreed. Ian, make sure you put up a link as soon as its uploaded.

Also, are any of the other ganon matches recorded? ive been aching to see both spider sense and renth, seeing as they have no videos since like 2010.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

i think i'll have some vids of me styling on people (ganon/falcon lol), and then another 2 sets of me getting beaten by sneak, this time vs his falco.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

What about your Sheik?

Also, what's up with that name? Doesn't I go before E, except after C?

 

[Bl@ckChris]

didn't feel like using her. plus the guys in SC know about my ganon, and since i only see them once or twice a year, i felt weird whenever i didn't use him.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

What about your Sheik?

Also, what's up with that name? Doesn't I go before E, except after C?

my nickname is not english in origin.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I meant Sheik, not your name. I guess Sheik isn't English either, though.

 

[Divinokage]

Oh Chris, when will you overcome Sneak. =P

 

[Renth]

Was one of the best times i've had in my life.

GG smash community.


Grand Finals of the Amateur bracket featuring: Eikelmann


Results Thread for the tournament.

Edit:

Eikelmann, you're so good in friendlies you were doing GREAT... in tournament I three stock you You need to push through what ever is blocking you man. You are good.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

thanks buddy. i appreciate your support.

my interest in this game is sadly dwindling. for the entirety of my career, i've lived in areas that make it extremely hard to develop talent and not only is it frustrating, but demeaning when i decide to finally attend something and can't even perform my best.

maybe somewhere down the road things will change and i'll be in the right environment to improve correctly, but right now, it would seem life has other things planned for me.

i'm still going to fc, though. i wouldn't miss that for the world.

also, i played falcon the first two matches of that set. please skip to 6 minutes if you don't want to watch my uber-mediocrity.

 

[Renth]

*snip*

You'll get it you live in Orlando there's a lot of talent you gotta just show em who's boss. Glad I could entertain and hopefully inspire you in any way shape or form. Had a great time and we still need to team sometime.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i live in orlando, but as soon as i got here, everyone is suddenly busy, and our weeklies were canceled. that's my luck. no one plays here anymore.

and the good to bad player ratio is 10:1.

 

[Renth]

i live in orlando, but as soon as i got here, everyone is suddenly busy, and our weeklies were canceled. that's my luck. no one plays here anymore.

and the good to bad player ratio is 10:1.

Rally up those "bad" players and stomp their faces into the ground, get the experience call out the big guns!

Stomp em.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

and the good to bad player ratio is 10:1.

Well, that's a really good thing tho, isn't it? Literally everybody I play with is way better than me and I swear I get better every time I play-- even if I don't notice anything, they all tell me that I'm not falling for their tricks, developing new tricks of my own, etc.

 

[Ripple]

we'll see tonight now won't we?

 

[RaphaelRobo]

All the people I play are really bad. Really really bad. You guys should feel lucky that you have good people to play with.

I'm still improving, though, thanks to videos, thinking, and PMs with PP. I've also been playing some Lv9s on P:M recently. It's impressive how good the Brawl AI is at it. While I can beat them easily, I actually have to play smart, unlike against my friends.

 

[Divinokage]

95% of the people I play here are worse than me, that's no ****ing excuse to not improve yourself, it's all about how you view your life, your game whatever it is. It's perspective, vision.

If you think there's no hope around you then there isn't, simple as that.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Kage, your new avatar is weird.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

95% of the people I play here are worse than me, that's no ****ing excuse to not improve yourself, it's all about how you view your life, your game whatever it is. It's perspective, vision.

If you think there's no hope around you then there isn't, simple as that.

So how do you improve if you never play with people at, or higher than your level?

 

[Divinokage]

You can't go wrong with a badass vampire that likes donuts and is cute. =)

Then you have to test situations you normally cannot do on those higher level people. Experiment, be creative.. if you can't do that, then you'll never be able to break at a high level because your style will become stale.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i don't really know how to experiment in this game, sadly. i'm really bad at imagining stuff in my head and trying to apply it.

i also don't know my weaknesses or what stuff i need to work on.

and it's hard to work on those things because bad players don't do things that good players will do, so i won't ever be punished for my flaws.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Well, the description sounds good, so I suppose I'll let that avatar slide. Except for the cute part. She looks creepy, not cute. If you want something cute, try this:

All right, nothing google gave me is cute, so here's my choices:

Spoiler

I think that's enough. Anyway, now you should have a good understanding of what cute is.

 

[Ripple]

you're flaw could just be simply not MAKING them make a mistake.

you could connect all the combos you start and still lose.

start to realize when people want to double jump. mis-time an attack on purpose so it catches their jump.

empty hop to grab/jab/nothing

 

[Divinokage]

i don't really know how to experiment in this game, sadly. i'm really bad at imagining stuff in my head and trying to apply it.

i also don't know my weaknesses or what stuff i need to work on.

and it's hard to work on those things because bad players don't do things that good players will do, so i won't ever be punished for my flaws.

It's not about you getting punished when you fight worse players, it's about punishing them in anyway you can think of. The game is limited by itself so the same situations will come back whether you are fighting a worse or better player than you, the only real difference is that the better players are much faster and won't miss their punish.

A falco dair is a falco dair, you can punish that in many many ways.. think of it like that. Just one situation can be broken down in lots of angles.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

right, but good players aren't going to act the way that bad players do...

 

[Divinokage]

That's why i said they are faster at doing it, you just need to be as fast or faster than them to be able to react to those situations naturally.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

i beat sneak's fox last week. i think my total sets vs him in tourney is like 2-6 lol. he doesn't even play anymore except tournaments and i still lose haha.

try to laugh every now and then during your set. doing something that is so unexpected it's comical is one way to keep ganon both fresh, unpredictable, and solid.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

try to laugh every now and then during your set. doing something that is so unexpected it's comical is one way to keep ganon both fresh, unpredictable, and solid.

i do this when i play luigi, since he's the funniest character to me, but i take ganondorf very seriously.

maybe even too seriously.

 

[Divinokage]

i beat sneak's fox last week. i think my total sets vs him in tourney is like 2-6 lol. he doesn't even play anymore except tournaments and i still lose haha.

try to laugh every now and then during your set. doing something that is so unexpected it's comical is one way to keep ganon both fresh, unpredictable, and solid.

You kinda have to or else Ganon gets easily predictable by doing just uair or fair to punish.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

at the point where the game becomes at least a little bit fun again, is where competition can meet creativity. and that is at least one good way to improve, whether you play that way in tourney, or just in friendlies.

 

[Divinokage]

Well the way I see it is this. The game is fun regardless if I lose or win or whatever happens in game. In tournament the only difference is that I use tons of more focus or I am more intent on actually killing my opponent rather than in friendlies where I let myself go and just try stuff.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Kage, thanks a lot for all this advice. I'll try to focus on it, although I like that I've already been doing a lot of it. One slight difference, though, is I try fun stuff on P:M instead of against my friends. The fun stuff I try is crazy jump off edge KOs, just to see if they'll actually reach, and working out little tricks. I'm still not consistent enough at shield drop Uair, though, but I doubt I'll need it that often. My shield drop is fine, and my platform drop Uair is fine, but I have a bit of trouble combining them. In general, I'm trying to push myself to move even faster than I currently do. I'm also working on my OoS options, since I forget to use them a lot, and just roll or grab. Shuffled aerials, wavedashes, and shield drops (if I'm on a platform) are other things I should be trying.

Against friends I build up pocket characters. Since my friends aren't good enough to give me actual matchup experience, I'm getting my pocket characters to the point where I can learn matchup experience from myself. For example, a couple weeks ago I did my first techchase and combo with Falcon. Once I got the hang of doing that with Falcon, I worked out how to counter it with Ganon.

 

[Divinokage]

The important part of experimenting is doing it consciously, not just play to play the game pretty much. But I'm happy you are making progress. =)