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because he has bad matchups and hes just badHe's so much better than Yoshi and others that are low tier >_<
When Luigi's fireball can cancel out his Falcon Punch/Kick hitbox you should know something is wrong.
In other words he was 0 priority.
wtf all of them are waaaaaaaaaaaay better except iggycaptin flacon is aweome
hes not the best but i can think of so many worse and better people
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i have taken Falcon to tournaments, he's really bad, not as bad as one would think because the ridiculous combo's we know are escapable are possible at tournies. Nobody really knows Falcon, but they do know he has crap priority, which triggers them to treat falcon like a sandbag.......................................I think nobody has really mastered him yet.
Look, there are like 500 million metaknight and snake players that play at tournaments, how many falcon players are tehre playing falcon at tournaments?
It's just not developing all that fast.
I suppose i could say i sorta mastered him lol,I think nobody has really mastered him yet.
Look, there are like 500 million metaknight and snake players that play at tournaments, how many falcon players are tehre playing falcon at tournaments?
It's just not developing all that fast.
somebody is a cstick spammer :0captin flacon is aweome
hes not the best but i can think of so many worse and better people
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Yoshi has the crazy chain grabscaptin flacon is aweome
hes not the best but i can think of so many worse and better people
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jiggly
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Yoshi's double jump beats falcon's jump and recovery. super armor during the first few frames and crazy height.Falcon isn't the worst character. You want to take a look at "the worst" characters? Ness, Lucas, and Yoshi are ultimately doomed because they have the absolute WORST recoveries in the game. Anyone can gimp them. And Sonic is a CF-wannabe.
So THERE!
I was the only one at my tourney who was playing Falcon. I feel sad but somewhat liberated.I think nobody has really mastered him yet.
Look, there are like 500 million metaknight and snake players that play at tournaments, how many falcon players are tehre playing falcon at tournaments?
It's just not developing all that fast.
The hell? Are you retarted?captin flacon is aweome
hes not the best but i can think of so many worse people
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QFT and sigged.captin flacon is aweome
hes not the best but i can think of so many worse and better people
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HEY HEY shut your mouth, your just too slow!Falcon isn't the worst character. You want to take a look at "the worst" characters? Ness, Lucas, and Yoshi are ultimately doomed because they have the absolute WORST recoveries in the game. Anyone can gimp them. And Sonic is a CF-wannabe.
So THERE!
Combos in brawl?.....Why? Im starting to realize he really SHOUDLNT be dead last.
If you actually take time to look at him instead of saying what everyone else says..
"Priority"
"range"
etc.... who cares?
how about
"speed"
"combos"
"edge guarding"?
Thats a pretty cool sigThey took of the hitstun that made Falcon so good.
Secondary >_> Thats only because Im a Sonic fanboy if I wasn;t Falcon would be my main and Sonic second.Man, I can hardly take this thread seriously. Then again, probably 90% of the people here don't even main Falcon in the first place.
You know, you CAN make Falcon not the worst. Finding a scape goat isn't going to work
Falcon isn't the worst character. You want to take a look at "the worst" characters? Ness, Lucas, and Yoshi are ultimately doomed because they have the absolute WORST recoveries in the game. Anyone can gimp them. And Sonic is a CF-wannabe.
So THERE!
I understand were your coming from and all but, Ness could get his little head stomped on, so thats a no go. C.F>Ness Sorry. Zap jumping, I'll still stomp you plus gimpable =). Yoshi? Pshhhh you could see that a mile away. Stomp= solution =/ Going to have to give it to falcon.
LOL.
Ness has one of the highest second jumps in the game and Lucas has Zap Jumping which makes him have one of the BEST recoveries. Oh and Yoshi is basically invincible during his second jump. Honestly Captain is miles below these guys.
.CMW.
Falcon sucks in all 3 departments?how about
"speed"
"combos"
"edge guarding"?
I understand were your coming from and all but, Ness could get his little head stomped on, so thats a no go. C.F>Ness Sorry. Zap jumping, I'll still stomp you plus gimpable =). Yoshi? Pshhhh you could see that a mile away. Stomp= solution =/ Going to have to give it to falcon.
umC.F>Ness Sorry.
QFT.And Ness ***** the hell out of Falcon, he has a better grab game, better out of shield game, better air game, infinitely better edgeguarding, easier KOs, and one of the most powerful and easy to land spikes in the game, not to mention he 3-stocks captain falcon in the actual matchup.
so i agree 100% falcon is not at all a bad character and to anybody who disagrees I'll issue a challenge, send me an email or PM or whatever, I'll make an effort to play you and change your mindNo, no, no. I am sick and tired of Falcon being everyone's scapegoat. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an idiot: Falcon is not top tier. Falcon is nowhere near top tier, but still. He's better than he gets credit for. Why, you ask?
He's fast. Faster than most of the Brawl cast. Priority means nothing if Falcon hits first.
The Knee is NOT AWFUL! Admittedly, it's not the melee knee. But dammit, that doesn't mean it's a bad attack. It's still a great killer, especially if you use it as an edgeguard. For ****'s sake, don't hate the attack for being nerfed. It still kills.
He still has killmoves. Don't believe me? Dair spike, Raptor Boost spike, Fsmash, Dsmash, Knee. Hell, even u-air, if you can't manage to hit with any others.
He can recover. Sure, it's shorter than some, but the influence DI has over his Up-B make it actually useful. You can help avoid edgegaurds, or make it out from under the lip at FD. Plus, he can use Side-B to recover, while also countering people who like to jump out and gimp.
His priority. Don't flame me for this. His priority isn't flat zero. It's actually just ********. I've countered Luigi's side-B with u-tilt.
His hitboxes. Okay, mainly just the Side-B one. It hits places you'd never expect it to. I spiked a Ganondorf from below, when he was as far back as my waist. That and his pivot grab.
Yes, I am fully aware that his range is an issue, and as an extension, his aerial combat is too. Yes, his hitstun has been reduced, and that is a big downside. That doesn't mean Falcon can't win.
Now, I'm not gonna bash your Brawl skills, like some want to, but ****ing hell, guys, learn more about a character before you condemn them as pure ****.
oh yeah, and a few more common complaints:
"But Falcon has bad matchups!"
So does (insert your main)!
"But Falcon has more, and his are worse!"
Bull****. The only characters I have trouble with (As characters%) are Olimar, Toon MK, and Lucas. Yeah, yeah, you can argue other evidence all you want, but if I can learn to beat Snake with Falcon, so can you.
*I still lose to other characters, but that's because they actually played better than me
"But the tier list says..."
**** that. Until Ken, the tier list said Marth sucked.
"But it's the Smash Back Room!"
Yes it is, and I respect the hell out of them, but I realize that they are human, and that no human is all-knowing. About anything.
"Well, that means you're not all-knowing about Falcon!"
Neither are you, and you don't main Falcon (unless you do)
"But I **** Falcon all the time"
Then you're better at the game than whoever is playing Falcon. Good for you.
NOW! We've heard quite a few sentiments as to why Falcon is bad, and they all say the same thing. If you actually have something new to say, go for it, but if all you care to say is:
"No priority"
"No hitstun"
"Crap range"
or any other such thing, don't bother. It's been done to death.
So, either say something new, or let this thread die.
EDIT: Yeah, I'm ranting, sorry. But still. I felt it needed to be said.
Thanks for the support, but for the sake of space, don't quote my post. It's too big to be used twice. On the same page, at least.so i agree 100% falcon is not at all a bad character and to anybody who disagrees I'll issue a challenge, send me an email or PM or whatever, I'll make an effort to play you and change your mind