Geist
Smash Master
I'm sure it's been said, but a video series like this would be amazing. You could not only break down someone's tech inputs, but someone's assuming train of thought in the middle of some massive mindgame.
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How Fast Is Melee? Vid (version 2.0 extra sexy)
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Divinokage
Smash Legend
Silent wolf = sexy. Prob my fav Fox.
Brightside6382
Smash Lord
Go play some other fighting game and you won't care about this garbage. I'm not impressed because many other fighting games require the same amount of speed and precision.
Speaking purely from a technical point of view, other fighting games do not require the same amount of speed and precision. This is true regarding both button pressing ability and overall control of character.
Signia
Smash Lord
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If you're comparing Smash with other fighters, you need to distinguish between 2D and 3D fighters. They are played COMPLETELY differently. There is no GFG, Cactuar. Even within 2D we have the Air-Dashers (Marvel, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, Melty Blood, Arcana Heart, Hokuto no Ken) and the Classic/Traditional fighter (Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Samurai Spirits, Jojo's Bizzare Adventure) which are distinctly different.
Brightside6382
Smash Lord
here we go. I can't wait for the "evidence" that supports this
Speed and precision isn't everything. The actual game being played can be just as or even more intense in another fighting game despite having a slower speed.
Really don't know what you're getting all worked up over.
The "evidence" that you are so eager to ask for doesn't exist on your side from what I've seen. You have provided no evidence to support that other fighting games are as heavy on speed and precision as Melee. Meanwhile, we have matches broken down demonstrating the average technical ability of high level players.
If you want to do a comparison of only speed and precision, pull a situation from another fighting game and I'll find a roughly similar situation to do a comparison with you.
I am aware of this. It was more of a write-up to demonstrate how to compare situations in Melee to a standard fighter, as it hasn't really been done in depth. The point wasn't to generalize other fighters. I would love to do a comparison between games with a knowledgeable player of another game.
Pengie
Smash Lord
To be fair, SSF4 has a myriad of different combos that incorporate 1 frame links, and, in many cases, these are integral to a character's Bread and Butters. For instance Rufus has his 1 frame cl.short -> cl. fierce link as a part of his basic combo, Cammy has the Sako Combo which has a similar 1 frame link in her cl. strong -> cr. fierce (here's a cool little video showing off Sako in action). Then you've got all of the little tricks that C.Viper can do with her feints such as her fierce -> fierce Thunder Knuckle feint -> fierce. And that's just in SSF4; I recently picked up MvC2 and playing as Magneto is definitely up there in terms of insane execution (I'll just leave this here). Not to mention that it can get pretty crazy with all of the assist calls and timing those properly.
bossa nova ♪
Smash Champion
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wow smash isn't a ****ing fighter
wtf.... there's like 0 similarity.... 2-D fighters are wayyyyyyy too uncreative to deserve smash in their category.....
smash is more like...
well...
it's.... king of the hill.... or something
otherwise known as smash
otherwise known as Smash64 or Melee
cuz we know brawl aint smash.....
since you don't have to be king of the hill
you can just be
queen of the edge
or something.....
wtf.... there's like 0 similarity.... 2-D fighters are wayyyyyyy too uncreative to deserve smash in their category.....
smash is more like...
well...
it's.... king of the hill.... or something
otherwise known as smash
otherwise known as Smash64 or Melee
cuz we know brawl aint smash.....
since you don't have to be king of the hill
you can just be
queen of the edge
or something.....
To be fair, after the hit confirm, it's just muscle memory. 1 frame links are still really effing hard, but they also have plinking and the convenience of not having to really think beyond landing the first hit in a decent position. I still want to see an El Fuerte player consistently abuse his infinite 
It is so difficult to compare games like this because of the options the player getting hit has in melee. There are a few BnB combos in melee, but for the most part, it is a constant demand for reactions after nearly every hit.
(It's mostly opinion obviously.)
It is so difficult to compare games like this because of the options the player getting hit has in melee. There are a few BnB combos in melee, but for the most part, it is a constant demand for reactions after nearly every hit.
(It's mostly opinion obviously.)
Pengie
Smash Lord
True, I was just bringing it up because people were talking about speed and precision and I wanted to make sure that there was information out there so that we don't see the clichéd "lol maylay iz t3h fast3st fiter evar" responses. One of the things that I love about Melee is the openness of the combo system, where both you and your opponent have options and both players need to put thought into what they do during combos.
I would like to hear what you think of option selects in games like SSF4 and how they relate to aspects of Melee if at all. Option selects have seemed to me like one concept that doesn't really have a real analogue in Melee and that's probably one of the reasons why I've had such a hard time incorporating them into my gameplay when I play other fighters.
I would like to hear what you think of option selects in games like SSF4 and how they relate to aspects of Melee if at all. Option selects have seemed to me like one concept that doesn't really have a real analogue in Melee and that's probably one of the reasons why I've had such a hard time incorporating them into my gameplay when I play other fighters.
Acryte
Smash Ace
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exhibit A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efy1hQft2g
exhibit B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri9gzeKH3UA;t=38
the sako one is pretty sick, its like a staggered double press or flickin across multiple keys kinda like what you can do shining and then rolling over to X in drillshine infinite etc.
I kinda want to do like... m2k vs shiz match 4 haha but don't have time right now
yea guiltygear had option select too, they're cool but yea. they had Air Throw / Faultless defense and also another one for ground throws / basic attack so that if the enemy was in a state they couldnt get grabbed in then it would do the attack instead.
A really cool thing that Guilty Gear had that smash will never have because it doesnt use quarter circles in specials and most moves that life you off the ground don't let you do anything after, but GG had a thing called jump installing your moves. And it was pretty awesome I used to do it alot with venom back in reload. Basically you could jump cancel a basic combo string, so you would throw the jump cancel in there by pressing jump, then cancel that into the attack and then, if you used a move that would rise or teleport into the air that didnt let you airdash/double jump out of, you could, and you could also use it in order to make the move cross-up when it normally didnt. It was pretty cool. C-God had an awesome tutorial of it with ball glitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLGF6aNOhxw
these nuance techs are in my opinion pretty cool and add even more depth to the fighter by increasing your options and mixup/pressure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayJZKtvEOCw also good times with the beginnin of this old vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efy1hQft2g
exhibit B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri9gzeKH3UA;t=38
the sako one is pretty sick, its like a staggered double press or flickin across multiple keys kinda like what you can do shining and then rolling over to X in drillshine infinite etc.
I kinda want to do like... m2k vs shiz match 4 haha but don't have time right now
yea guiltygear had option select too, they're cool but yea. they had Air Throw / Faultless defense and also another one for ground throws / basic attack so that if the enemy was in a state they couldnt get grabbed in then it would do the attack instead.
A really cool thing that Guilty Gear had that smash will never have because it doesnt use quarter circles in specials and most moves that life you off the ground don't let you do anything after, but GG had a thing called jump installing your moves. And it was pretty awesome I used to do it alot with venom back in reload. Basically you could jump cancel a basic combo string, so you would throw the jump cancel in there by pressing jump, then cancel that into the attack and then, if you used a move that would rise or teleport into the air that didnt let you airdash/double jump out of, you could, and you could also use it in order to make the move cross-up when it normally didnt. It was pretty cool. C-God had an awesome tutorial of it with ball glitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLGF6aNOhxw
these nuance techs are in my opinion pretty cool and add even more depth to the fighter by increasing your options and mixup/pressure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayJZKtvEOCw also good times with the beginnin of this old vid
Pengie
Smash Lord
I'm well aware of how technical Fox players can be (I've played both spacies for the entire two years I've been playing and intend to keep playing both), and I don't find any of Fox's flashy technical things to be all that difficult; whether it's turnaround waveshining back and forth, across the entire stage, or JC double/triple/ what have you shining out of shield into a turnaround grab it really loses a lot of it's appeal when you see it/can do it all of the time. On the other hand, I find executing things like Mags's ROM to be infinitely more difficult than any contrived Fox tricks, although this might just be due to the differences in the controllers.
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Smash Master
Stratford
Smash Champion
Version 2 is nicely improved.
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Mote Of Dust
L__
Smash Master
hnnnglol this is the silliest thing
maybe it's just me
I think this stuff is pretty difficult
I don't even know anyone that can come close to executing a combo routine like this
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Mote Of Dust
I did not mean it's easy by any means, I am just super entertained by how over the top this guy is in his videos. I am sure I could never be as technical as him as I have fat man paws, I am impressed.
But christ it's just so silly
EDIT -I would like to see someone put all the inputs in the video, that would be quite impressive to watch
But christ it's just so silly
EDIT -I would like to see someone put all the inputs in the video, that would be quite impressive to watch
L__
Smash Master
oh I figured you didn't think it was easy lol I should have worded why I quoted you as well
looking back I'm not entirely sure
looking back I'm not entirely sure
Pengie
Smash Lord
Pretty sure that entire thing was done TAS; if you look at the top there's the game data going across the top which is a pretty blatant sign of AR.
L__
Smash Master
okay?
my point was this game still has techniques and routines that are difficult and you said
my point was this game still has techniques and routines that are difficult and you said
Pengie is from space animal land Florida. Don't mind him.
L__
Smash Master
aye aye, captain.
after rewatching this vid, it's awesome to look back on older videos and take note of how the technical skill for most players have changed the way it has.
after rewatching this vid, it's awesome to look back on older videos and take note of how the technical skill for most players have changed the way it has.
Pengie
Smash Lord
I wish FL was still space animal land; in the last three tournaments I've been to I've probably played one Falco that I can remember. The rest has been a mix of Marth, Samus and Mario/Doc >__>
i am definitely LOVING this new video. It's more fun to watch since you removed the statements you made in the previous version
and it really is startling to see all those action prompts on the screen while all that is happening. You never consciously think about how many buttons you actually press.
either way I think its a fun video, and much more light hearted than before.
and it really is startling to see all those action prompts on the screen while all that is happening. You never consciously think about how many buttons you actually press.
either way I think its a fun video, and much more light hearted than before.
Geist
Smash Master
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Mote Of Dust
Guys, really??
He's doing the WEMP slide baby
He's doing the WEMP slide baby
choknater
Smash Obsessed
HAHAHAHA omg wow. great tas video
wemp im liking ur posts more and more. i think sunny avatar has something to do with it too
wemp im liking ur posts more and more. i think sunny avatar has something to do with it too
This needs to be quoted many times.Guys, really??
He's doing the WEMP slide baby
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Mote Of Dust
awwwww yeah baby
You know dat WEMP slides da shizzy.
You know dat WEMP slides da shizzy.
Geist
Smash Master
that idea is stolen from samplay who already made a video of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoenVXB4b0 (right the beginning)
also its nothing new that ssbm is really fast and technical. but a lot of people tend to only see how challenging melee is for their fingers when its actually more challenging for the head (excluding jiggs at this point). youre constantly pressured by thinking what to do in every single frame.
not impressed by the vid btw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoenVXB4b0 (right the beginning)
also its nothing new that ssbm is really fast and technical. but a lot of people tend to only see how challenging melee is for their fingers when its actually more challenging for the head (excluding jiggs at this point). youre constantly pressured by thinking what to do in every single frame.
not impressed by the vid btw.
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Mote Of Dust
I agree
not impressed by the vid btw.
not impressed by the vid btw.
Jonas
Smash Champion
The on-screen prompts honestly makes the whole thing look more complicated and difficult than it really is lol
Kanelol
Smash Lord
i like your sig <333
unrelated news, I saw some 314 part history of smash on Youtube and for a little part of it they did something similar to this. I'm pretty sure they took a few of Swolf's combo video clips and then showed the inputs and **** frame by frame. but not like, literally frame by frame. It might've been full speed, now that I think about it.
Either way, I thought it was pretty cool. People may claim OP's video is rather elitist and condescending, which it is, to a certain degree, but I honestly think he was just trying to imitate Gimpy or Prog instead of coming off like an arrogant douche. And the concept is pretty kewl.
Regardless, new players would be interested in the exact tech skill inputs required to make your character move that fast.
Life
Smash Hero
WTB top Melee players getting brains scanned while playing Melee? Then compare to like other fighters (SF4 and Brawl being good places to start), FPS, non-gaming entertainment...