How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[Zhamy]

your not mean and you misunderstood it PHAKEOUT as In illision to edge and instead of grabbing it you hit a normal falling animation and able to a DJ to anything out of it.

Oh yeah, I didn't get what you meant. So that was just a random comment. And yes, Iblis, I know you've been around for a while. And if you can get to the edge, then maybe. But you still grab it when you do the Illusion, so it depends on your situation. Are you in danger of being gimped? Then no. Are they doing something predictable on the stage? Then maybe. Just remember, Fox doesn't have a great number of options off the ledge.

What are Fox's true combos?

Dair->Jab
Dair->Utilt
Dair->Usmash (High percents)
Dair->Shine (Off the stage)
Dair->Some stuff
Ftilt lock (You'll never get to use this)
Nair lock (You'll never get to use this)

Those are the ones that you'll only ever actually see.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

^how do you set up a f-tilt/n-air lock, because ive never seen one used in a match >.>

also, you can put both locks toghether for an really good combo, the only problem is how to set it up?

 

[Zhamy]

^how do you set up a f-tilt/n-air lock, because ive never seen one used in a match >.>

You will probably never see it in a match. Unless you have ridiculous timing. Like...2 frames timing. Basically, it works and starts (reliably as it can be...) at a very specific percentage, where it knocks down just enough so that you can continue it for 3-4 times. I'm not sure if they can avoid it if they tech the first hit of it or not.

Either way, you'll never get to use it.

also, you can put both locks toghether for an really good combo, the only problem is how to set it up?

Won't work. Assuming Fox had the frames to instantly teleport to the position he needed to be, even, you wouldn't be able to transition from one lock to another.


tl;dr: Never mind about the locks; they're far too situational unless you have M2K timing and then some.

 

[SCOTU]

the only setup for a fox lock that i can think of atm is drill>knockdown>lock, which only works at percents you should just be usmashing at instead of doing a lock. If somehow you knock them down w/ a drill before a usmash would kill them, go for it i guess. I'd recommend the ftilt lock, and make sure you finish w/ usmash

 

[Zhamy]

drill>knockdown>lock

I don't have the data for this, but doesn't Nair knockdown at a lower percentage and set up into lock? Or is the lag from the aerial too great?

I'd recommend the ftilt lock,

This, because the margin of error for Nair is ridiculous.

 

[Conviction]

Oh yea Zhamy I was thinking that maybe A SH Uair could come in handy once in a while like when some is coming from above like a spike are when both people jump in the air so you win the priority battle and I'm not sure if Sh Uair hits groundied characters but yea, also for I know this works A Ledge Hopped Uair. I never gotten beaten out of it. Works alot when you bait your opponet to you by Foxfire edge stalling.

 

[SCOTU]

i was actually recommending the ftilt since it hits significantly faster than the nair so it's more likely to combo out of the drill knockdown than the nair, but you make a good point about margin of error.

 

[Conviction]

Do any you guys use Shield Jump Cancelled Usmash or Reversed Running Jump-Cancelled Usmash they are very useful to me. None of you guys dont have to answer, I just wanted to state that.

 

[Coda]

has it been discussed if Fox's Shine can interrupt Falco's chain grab? I've been doing it online... and though online compensates due to lag... is it an actual true escape...

since Frames are frames... and not about lag...

 

[Zhamy]

has it been discussed if Fox's Shine can interrupt Falco's chain grab? I've been doing it online... and though online compensates due to lag... is it an actual true escape...

Grab > Melee move. Nope.

 

[SCOTU]

Shield jc usmash is amazing.

@Zhammy: Invincibility frames > grab, but i don't think the shine escapes it anyways.

 

[Chileno4Live]

What kind of approach do you guys use? I mostly use Dash shield cancel because i think it's the safest way and i can grab my opponent with a Shieldgrab. Sometimes i also approach with his illusion for mindgames. Pivot Wave Grab is also awesome if your opponent is shielding while your rushing to him.

 

[Zhamy]

Invincibility frames

Forgot about that, but no one knows how to use Fox's invincibility frames like Wolf's. Although now that I look at what I said, this is probably just a sign I'm playing too much IaMP (after Ankoku ***** me).

 

[Zhamy]

If what I've seen of Brawl+ is correct, Fox can pseudo-pillar in it.

:O

 

[KheldarVII]

At 0%, the only true combo Fox has is B-air -> U-tilt. Depending on how you land, it's got wicked fast connecting frames.

 

[SCOTU]

fox can 0% combo lots of characters with drill kick with several hits into jab.

 

[Chileno4Live]

HeyI have a question. I main Fox (Obviously), my secondary is marth and possibly thitd guy woul dbe Snake. Do i cover Fox's bad match-ups with these guys or not? If not, what character can work with Fox?

 

[Xiivi]

HeyI have a question. I main Fox (Obviously), my secondary is marth and possibly thitd guy woul dbe Snake. Do i cover Fox's bad match-ups with these guys or not? If not, what character can work with Fox?

Some of Fox's more difficult match-ups include Pikachu, Luigi, and Sheik. As well as MK, ZSS, ICs, Kirby, Marth, and G&W being all possibilities for hard match-ups if you aren't experienced enough in them.

Marth however covers most of them very nicely, while Fox can cover Marth's harder match-ups in Snake, DDD, and ROB.

 

[Chileno4Live]

Thnx for your reply. Glad i picked the best secondary. I'm now kinda looking for a third guy only i don't know which character to main. Someone here got an idea? I was thinking for Falco ...

 

[NinjaFoxX]

Thnx for your reply. Glad i picked the best secondary. I'm now kinda looking for a third guy only i don't know which character to main. Someone here got an idea? I was thinking for Falco ...

Yoshi. he takes care of any bad matchups fox and marth has, its either an advantage or goes even(except GW)

bair r4pes hard, nuff said

 

[DKKountry]

HeyI have a question. I main Fox (Obviously), my secondary is marth and possibly thitd guy woul dbe Snake. Do i cover Fox's bad match-ups with these guys or not? If not, what character can work with Fox?

MK would cover your bad match-ups lulz.

But seriously Marth and Snake are higher tier than Fox and cover anything that he has trouble with pretty nicely.

 

[Conviction]

Approaches!

What are Fox's approaches? What are major staples on Fox's approaches? Has anyone thought of any creative ways to approach (that seems relatively useable)
I find this very important since this one of Fox's weakpoints we could improve on.

 

[Fenrir VII]

What are Fox's approaches? What are major staples on Fox's approaches? Has anyone thought of any creative ways to approach (that seems relatively useable)
I find this very important since this one of Fox's weakpoints we could improve on.

I hate to just quote a different thread, but I worked pretty hard on the approaching section, so I am just going to link it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205043

 

[UzakiuzuG]

Anyone up for a Ditto or square off with my Falcon?

 

[El Gordo]

I think i found out another advanced technique with reference to the Buffering system or I´m just crazy. lol
While Fox does his Down-Air it is actually possible to press first L and then Z to instant grab after the Dair.This is very useful,because you are sometimes even wuicker than the Shieldgrabbers,because they have lag.Just try it. It works in my opinion.^^

 

[Fitty]

are there any other locks with fox beside f-tilt and n-air locks?

 

[KheldarVII]

I think i found out another advanced technique with reference to the Buffering system or I´m just crazy. lol
While Fox does his Down-Air it is actually possible to press first L and then Z to instant grab after the Dair.This is very useful,because you are sometimes even wuicker than the Shieldgrabbers,because they have lag.Just try it. It works in my opinion.^^

Interesting... I'll think about that. Why wouldn't it work with A button though?

 

[Zhamy]

are there any other locks with fox beside f-tilt and n-air locks?

Not that we know of.

I think i found out another advanced technique with reference to the Buffering system or I´m just crazy. lol
While Fox does his Down-Air it is actually possible to press first L and then Z to instant grab after the Dair.This is very useful,because you are sometimes even wuicker than the Shieldgrabbers,because they have lag.Just try it. It works in my opinion.^^

If this works, then that would be insane, but I'm skeptical.

Interesting... I'll think about that. Why wouldn't it work with A button though?

Because Sakurai is weird?

 

[SCOTU]

silly buffers. I remember when we used to grab after drill kicks the good old fashion way: with good timing and the z button. Don't get CC-Shined.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

I think i found out another advanced technique with reference to the Buffering system or I´m just crazy. lol
While Fox does his Down-Air it is actually possible to press first L and then Z to instant grab after the Dair.This is very useful,because you are sometimes even wuicker than the Shieldgrabbers,because they have lag.Just try it. It works in my opinion.^^

*eyebrows rise*

Hmmm I should try this out! But I have work in the morning at 5 am =/. Someone else test this now!

 

[Conviction]

*eyebrows rise*

Hmmm I should try this out! But I have work in the morning at 5 am =/. Someone else test this now!

Wtf it works....I did he said and it was instant grab soon as i hit the ground from dair after the little bit of lag. What do you want to call this? Dair Insta-grab?

Edit: It works with A button but I prefer Z

 

[jayboi221]

how do u spike with fox please give me help

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

how do u spike with fox please give me help

one again... you could ov juss asked me OR fitty. i talk 2 u everyday. Diss niigga should be banned like seriously

 

[Conviction]

how do u spike with fox please give me help

you can't spike with Fox <.< The closest thing to it is a shine spike (hit them with reflector when they are off stage)

 

[jayboi221]

stop following i dont know you

 

[Conviction]

one again... you could ov juss asked me OR fitty. i talk 2 u everyday. Diss niigga should be banned like seriously

Lol you guys are wierd.

 

[Fitty]

ok i seen vids of it and people told it wont work but i have to know does pillar exist in brawl for fox?

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

Lol you guys are wierd.

no its juss da fact dat he makes unnecessary posts juss so he can go up from smash child. He talks to 2 people who knows the answer to his question but yet makes a post. Im not wierd i juss get my point through in a fashionable matter

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

ok i seen vids of it and people told it wont work but i have to know does pillar exist in brawl for fox?

&& idk , i havent seen it yet so da answer mite be no

 

[Zhamy]

ok i seen vids of it and people told it wont work but i have to know does pillar exist in brawl for fox?

No.

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