How do I convince my friend that looking at Smash info isn't cheating

[t3h Icy]

I'm going to guess either 13 or 14.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Alright Alright...

I have three solutions to this problem that are guaranteed to work.

1. pick up sheik and r@pe the *** out of your friend. if he cant tech then this match is yours. just dash attack > dash attack > dash attack > dash attack > dash attack > fair ( also helps if you ***** slap him in real life after the fair). chain grab him to 300% and laugh at him while you do so. spamm needles just to p1ss him off.

2. Play Falcon and spamm KNEE... TOO GOOD

3. Contact Mango/Scorpion Master. Tell him about your ***** friend who cant play. Tell him to come over and r@pe him. Mango will say no ,but just offer him alcohol and he'll change his mind. Mango will fly over from California and r@pe him with every single character. Then post a thread about how lame your friend is because he got 4 stocked by lame characters. (Record the whole thing and let us watch :D )

 

[Ace55]

This thread is f**king gold.

Playing melee without ATs is like cycling the tour the france on a unicycle, backwards.

 

[Siglemic]

this thread is funny because a lot of real life friends of mine don't like competitive smash at all

they get really mad when i edgeguard and they call me cheap and stuff. i try to give advice and tell them to mix up their recovery and aim their firefox at a new angle/at the platform for once, but they just insist that edgeguarding is a cheap dishonorable way to play.

i've tried to teach my friends basic tech skill like shorthopping and l canceling, but they say they'll never be able to do it in an actual match so there's no reason to learn it

there's no convincing these types of people, they either learn on their own or not at all. some people just aren't competitive by nature, and don't care about improving. i asked one of my friends why he doesn't want to improve at any game, and he says "there's always someone better than me, so why bother"

=[

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Wait sec. now i'm sad siglemic I made me rememeber my dream I just had wasn't real It was so nice there was even led zeppilen music in the back round.

The best way to is not to teach them but to show them how far smash going if they like gimps, being unstoppable, mindgames, tactics, or creative combos or creative anything they will love this game really show him drakrain matches they are amazing on all of these levels but he isn't like mango where nearly no one can beat him.

 

[felipe_9595]

i have the same problem with my friend, his main is yoshi, he know how to wavedash, cancal, DJC, and all the advanced stuff, but he dont like to use this techniques, we starting to play 2 years ago and he still dont wanna use it :S

You cant change it, get a new best friend xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

[zluvsanime]

firstly, i will be 19 in a month, secondly, there is no point in using an insult when you are not angry unless it is ridiculous and funny.

to all of you telling malart to kick my *** until i either get better or stop playing, he would first need to be able to beat me on a regular basis, as it stand we are about evenly matched.

i never said that using ats was cheating, i merely put a rule for myself that it was how you learned the ats that was cheating, up until now anything that he has used in a match i have been practicing.

@siglemic: if your friends are anything like me they simply get bored playing on flat stages against an opponent who uses ats, so my advise is play a few matches with items and moving stages, maybe even some special melee, even better brawl-, and while your doing that try to keep your skill level close to theirs, it will make them that more likely to play you on even terms when you play a competitive match

 

[Life]

Welcome to Smashboards! Expect to be trolled. *throws up a giant wall of ATs to troll*

Eh, kidding. But still, school is, by your definition, cheating, no?

 

[mastermoo420]

... So you're saying that it's cheating to learn the ATs online via some kind of text-based document (ie. a post) or a video, but it's perfectly fine to just copy someone you're playing just because it's real life? That's like saying it's okay to cheat on an English test but it's not okay to cheat on a math test.

If you get bored playing on "flat stages," then you don't have to play on them. Friendlies are meant to be fun. But I've played on FD only for hours upon hours in a single sitting. If you can't stand it, then you obviously don't like the game enough. Just go back to playing casual and forget all your ATs cheats.

 

[Jonas]

i never said that using ats was cheating, i merely put a rule for myself that it was how you learned the ats that was cheating, up until now anything that he has used in a match i have been practicing.

You should read David Sirlin's "Playing to Win" (you can read it online for free, just Google it). It deals with artifical, self-imposed rules like the one you are following and tells you why they are bad for the learning process.
You really ought overcome it for your own sake, because this game gets more fun to play the better you are.

 

[t3h Icy]

You should just let go of your "anti-cheating" pride. Melee is way funner when you know everything, and the absolute funnest thing when improving is having someone improve with you.

When you get completely ***** or vice versa, it loses some of its spark since you can only get so much better pummeling newbs. But if you're going even with someone, you can learn together.

 

[n1000]

firstly, i will be 19 in a month

Oh man you shouldn't have admitted that!

malart...would first need to be able to beat me on a regular basis, as it stand we are about evenly matched.

Malart, you don't need a better opponent to get better...just play with your friend.

In fact I would say that zluvsanime will soon be more than you can handle:

...now anything that he has used in a match i have been practicing.

he wants to take back his copy of melee(the only one we have, I'm trying to get my hands on one) because he says that he 'needs to get better'

Give your friend his disc back. Hogging it so he can't practice is cheating, cheater.

 

[Ballistics]

This reminds me of being called a cheater when i use shortcuts in MK 64

 

[TheDekuNut]

Ballistics you sir are a dirty cheater. how dare you not choose the long way?

 

[Rubyiris]

zluvsanime: You are the textbook definition immature.

Where is your snappy comeback? Please, give me some trollbait.

 

[Yung Mei]

i got called a cheater because i beat an MK with Falcon in brawl


whatthe****amihearing

 

[Brookman]

I have a friend, who is basically the only person I can play with at the moment, and I have been trying to get him to go online and take a look at the community so that he can get better(right now he is just slightly worse than me, and I want him to be better so that I can continue to improve). He insists that he thinks it is cheating, in the same way that looking at a strategy guide for a different kind of game is cheating. I have tried to change his mind, but have been unsuccessful as of yet. Does anyone have some suggestions?

Is your friend mentally challenged??

 

[Rain(ame)]

I have a friend, who is basically the only person I can play with at the moment, and I have been trying to get him to go online and take a look at the community so that he can get better(right now he is just slightly worse than me, and I want him to be better so that I can continue to improve). He insists that he thinks it is cheating, in the same way that looking at a strategy guide for a different kind of game is cheating. I have tried to change his mind, but have been unsuccessful as of yet. Does anyone have some suggestions?

How do things like this....?


First off: Using a strategy guide for a fighting game is one of the silliest things you could ever do.

Secondly: Looking up information on how to improve is like asking advice from a friend, or asking someone who is better at something than you for tips.

Thirdly: In general, people get better by learning from other people. It's pretty much how things work. People learn how to play sports and other things by looking up information that is left by other people.

For him to even say that you're cheating is like challenging you to see who does better on a test that is over half your grade, and you can't study at all. Because studying would be cheating. Or like intentionally suffering when your soothing is right there. Saying you're thirsty, but not taking all the different forms of drinks in front of you because you didn't go get it for yourself.

No offense to your friend, but he's making up excuses for why you're improving faster. I had people do that to me, and trust me when I say...ignore it. Because it's only going to make you worse in the end.

Your job is paying you to go home and take it easy for a couple of days worry free because there is no work. You go ahead. He can stay there at work for no reason and get nothing accomplished or get that much needed break.

Get my point?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Just **** him

lol

 

[Rappster]

Grimtuesday gimped you like a falco recovering to high lands into a falcon punch.

i'm pretty sure that's not a gimp.
that's just a ko

 

[Mahone]

you say "hey man, i can tell you don't understand how anything in the real world works, and are clearly just a sore loser, so I'm gonna stop playing melee with you!"

I dunno, mabye buy him a cake and wait until he's ate some to tell him, you know, to lessen the blow.

 

[THeDarKnesS]

Tell him you are a big ****ing cheater and unless he cheats as well he will never beat you.

Or tell him everyone is cheating.

 

[Shadow Huan]

lol i remember being ***** by my cousin's sheik years ago. he didn't use AT's but at the time I thought it was the gayest **** ever. now I play using AT's ect. and have never gotten a rematch.

btw there's quite a few melee players in Maine, most the most notable being Darc, Th0rn, and Banks. maybe you should contact one of them? (They're listed in decending order of **** lol)

 

[Zodiac]

Tell him its different than looking at a strategy guide for a single player game. this isnt "find the hidden ruby that unlocks your ultimate weapon" its more along the lines of "Get your butt to the virtual gym and start training"

 

[Rubyiris]

Tell him its different than looking at a strategy guide for a single player game. this isnt "find the hidden ruby that unlocks your ultimate weapon" its more along the lines of "Get your butt to the virtual gym and start training"

Sup ?

 

[Syterion]

He sounds like the people I used to play who thought using the C-stick was for noobs.

 

[Zodiac]

Sup ?

Nm U?

10chars

 

[MarioMariox2]

Brawl-'s competitiveness lies in Fox Dittos.