Houston Smash Ultimate Thread

[Gea]

Wait until the weekend and get four people together in the room and test it.

 

[Sync.]

I wonder if counter will even beat it. Doesn't the bucket stay out longer than your invincibility? I countered Bowser Jr. Up smash with Mac and still got hit...

 

[RT]

If you want testing, fine, but make a decision fast.

 

[TheJerm]

Counter doesnt work against the bucket

 

[Xyro77]

Of course you can, but what if I don't main character with a counter.

Funny note: you are trying trying to keep something legal that is clearly broken, but when the BBR tried to keep MK legal using the same reasoning by implementing rule limitations, you ranted and raved how dumb it was to not just ban him. And I just want to see them banned from being the same team, not completely from doubles as characters.

This is true karma or the greatest of ironies.

again, major difference. there were stages banned because of him, a team banned because of him and 4-6 separate rules created because of him JUST FOR him.....yet nothing changed. THAT is why i wanted him banned in all events.

this GW thing is not even close to that.

Two minor things: projectiles are still super good. One of the reasons Sheik is so freakin' good is her needles. They are still stupidly good because people's movement is still super restricted.

her shield pressure, speed and "guaranteed" combos, dacus and kill power are why she is good. needles (though good) are a very minor compared to the rest i mentioned.

The GW teams thing is overcentralizing to gameplay regardless of the fact that counter could in theory break even (since many counters aren't going to reach and hit GW). What I want to know is what other GW bucket fills could have a similar effect since the way bucket fills has been changed. I'm too lazy to test but there are likely some other ******** GW bucket strats.

This^

I wanna know if more projectiles fill it in one shot. ZS? Robin? Samus? Ness (multi hitting pk fire).....ect. If so, its a GW issue.

Edit: Port is still important for who gets a grab if both people grab at the same time.Probably a few other things as well.

didnt think about that. good call.













Again, I'm not against banning it but....

Counter doesnt work against the bucket

welp NVM





Where is batman when you need him?!?

 

[RT]

In the grave you dug 7 years ago in preparation.

 

[Espy Rose]

In the grave you dug 7 years ago in preparation.

 

[Xyro77]

ok i guess ill ban it unless others fill the bucket in the same way. if thats the case, ill ban GW.

 

[Zano]

gnw pika is the only team that does it to this extreme, otherwise it's just standard gnw bucketing that you can actually stop.

 

[Xyro77]

So you have seen that it takes 3 ZS dsmashes to fill the bucket? 3 charge shots from samus too? if so, its just a pika thing.

 

[RT]

In other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVvN5Yo7YRQ

 

[Xyro77]

unless its WiiU, its trash

 

[z00ted]

lmao @ zss' eyes
also im really liking that ruleset warren allan lovely smis77 (; taking that initiative to be the first to legalize customs

U

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LEGEND

 

[z00ted]

haptic's posts were so funny
also when are you ready to play to my wii fit ***** ya *****

 

[TheJerm]

But there's already been custom moves legal tournaments. Also, I dont see why people were hyping up palutenas customs to me, I only found one that was good, but I'll only use it for certain match ups. The others are very eh or bad imo

 

[Gea]

Allan, while Sheik has way more than just needles, don't say she has shield pressure. No one besides characters who straight up break shields have shield pressure worth a damn in this game. Unless you count jabs, hurr hurr. She doesn't even have good kill power. Her assets are her low jump, low lag aerials, and ability to zone people as well as fight up close because of NEEDLES. Why don't you purchase the game and play against some of them? I promise you that without needles she'd be a far less menacing opponent because she'd have to do a lot more approaching.

 

[Espy Rose]

Sonic has shield pressure with spins.

 

[z00ted]

But there's already been custom moves legal tournaments. Also, I dont see why people were hyping up palutenas customs to me, I only found one that was good, but I'll only use it for certain match ups. The others are very eh or bad imo

?!?! whaat lol
which one? her dash side-b, jump glide and super speed are all almost 100% go 2s in some kind of variation

feel free to do watever u want but u should probably watch this :o

 

[Xyro77]

losing needles Is better than losing the ability to combo.

 

[Haptic]

haptic's posts were so funny
also when are you ready to play to my wii fit ***** ya *****

Get online bruh.

 

[Xyro77]

OP has been updated with 2 events and several friend codes. Please added everybody on the OP so you dont gotta track FCs and WiiU tags down.

 

[z00ted]

Get online bruh.

lol, can't right now. brother stole my 3ds :< sorry

 

[Xyro77]

Houston's first smash 4 tournament results thread has been submitted. Check the OP for more details.

I am also starting a Houston power ranking using UTD Zacs TX power ranking program. So attend as many events as possible and your ranking could go up!!!

 

[alex mora]

the only thing I'm even considering is the gw+pika thing. I need to find a way around banning it.

or just let it live out in tourney and see how competitively viable it actually is.

 

[alex mora]

ok i guess ill ban it unless others fill the bucket in the same way. if thats the case, ill ban GW.

Why do you want to ban a character so quickly when the game has only been out for less than a week stateside? Xyro i respect you as a TO and i've heard about the events you've run but instantly trying to ban something because of a few vids you've see on youtube is childish. Let the game live out in the wild for sometime before stripping it down so early in it's life. Also walk offs will always be banned and this isn't from a Brawl perspective, I played Melee and PM competitively for about a year and a half so you cant use the brawl argument on me. D1 gave a great testimony when talking about the competitive viability of walk offs. If i can find the vid i will link it but in short what he said is that time and time again walk offs have been proven to be taking away from the competitive element of the game instead of adding to it. He also said since walk offs have been proven non competitive like i stated before he said we should skip that argument entirely just ban them from the start. I know this seems like it presents a problem for stages like Prism but the walk off isnt up the entire time at most from what i saw in my tourney, the walk off only appeared about 2 times max unless the player was being super campy. All im saying is don't strip down what we don't know about yet for sure(G&W bucket stuff) but do eliminate problems we have had already in the past (walk offs)

 

[Xyro77]

Houston's first major Smash 3ds event, The Road to TGC, is going down in 22 days (November 1st)! Official rules and games (Mario Kart 8, Pokemon X+Y and Smash 3ds) are locked in as well as a few free perks like no venue fee and free food if you decide to go.

This new generation of Houston tournaments will forge the way for TX to become one of the absolute best states to be smashing in but it can only happen if you support us like you did during the Brawl ages with HOBO and WHOBO. So please come on out to The Road to TGC, make friends, have fun, get better, earn some PR points and maybe make a little money too. I hope to see you guys soon.

PS: ill money match any Lucina/Marth with my Lucina.


The Road to TGC Smashboards page
http://smashboards.com/threads/nov-...ouston-texas-free-venue-and-free-food.366489/
The Road to TGC Facebook event page
https://www.facebook.com/events/1464546770489796

 

[Zano]

So you have seen that it takes 3 ZS dsmashes to fill the bucket? 3 charge shots from samus too? if so, its just a pika thing.

It works with pika because thunder hits 3 times for w/e reason now, thus filling the bucket right away.

 

[Pikabunz]

Thunder is made up of 3 projectiles, so it will always fill up the bucket. You can fill the bucket with one thunder in Brawl too, but it didn't always do it for some reason.

 

[Xyro77]

Sweet

so a 1 frame Move fills up a bucket that is invincible while filling and when you spill it its a 1 hit KO on characters who are shielding not shielding and trumps invincibility frames?

Sounds really really bad.

 

[Haptic]

Sounds about as fair and balanced as Fox News.

 

[alex mora]

Xyro if you want me FC's i have the google doc in the Houston Smash 4 page up that just about everyones FC's on it.

 

[KRDsonic]

I'm starting to like Sheik less now. She's so hard to kill with omg. I miss how good she used to be at getting gimps.

 

[Zori]

my body.........

 

[Denti]

Walk offs are going to be funny as hell in the WiiU version. I can bet you. $100 someone like Denti or some east coast tryhard will sit back there shooting the best projectiles in the game until you approach and get back thrown lol.

You know me all too well. I was already practicing GaW & Pika for this but that got banned! LOL

 

[Sync.]

I know Denti lol. It's not something bad, it's just the truth of the matter.

 

[Haptic]

I'm starting to like Sheik less now. She's so hard to kill with omg. I miss how good she used to be at getting gimps.

Bouncing Fish.

 

[RT]

Hopping Flounder

 

[Xyro77]

Flailing whale

 

[Geoberos]

Rebounding Trout

 

[UltimateRazer]

Leaping Carp