Housepets! Mafia - Game Over - Who lived happily ever after in Babylon Gardens?

[Terywj [태리]]

...what...

We have replacements, Xiivi?

 

[Vinylic.]

To answer your question, only one.


That's Gatlin.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You know what. I'm requesting a modkill then until the next game.

I'll be spectating this mafia game to see how it goes.

Win/wins for everybody.

Replace out then.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

D1 we are going to choose a lynch that will help us win the game - that's all there is to it. Ideally it's one that gives a lot of connections going into future Days. Why are you even entertaining the idea that we will waste D1 to such an extent that we'll have to say "oh well, let's just lynch the guy who was useless in the first 36 hours of D1"? You keep saying "if we have no one better", but that in itself is a problem - why do we have no one better?

My issue is not that you are okay with seeing TG7 lynched. It's that you feel the need to designate him as a fallback lynch when a fallback lynch is wholly unnecessary if we play properly. RR, what is the benefit of instituting a fallback lynch structure for this game? Even if we did need to fall back, why not just let that happen towards the end of the Day? Why explicitly state the strategy now?

As an aside, what is your read on TG7 then? Do you truly believe he is scum?

That's the thing, removing someone who is going to give us nothing can win us the game, if he chooses to not contribute and be active, he is detrimental, town or scum if he chooses to not answer anything to give reads.

It is good, because if he doesn't give me a read, he is a good person to remove from the game even if he isn't ideal read wise. I'd rather have a long term game plan than a scrambled last second one.

TG7 is null because he has answered nothing to give me a reasont o view him as either town or scum, he is deterimental.

~

John: What do you think of Gustave's response to T-block?

Gustave: Who are you looking at for scum picks?

 

[Vinylic.]

TG7 is null because he has answered nothing to give me a reasont o view him as either town or scum, he is deterimental.

So much for my first time in a mafia game. Thanks.

 

[T-block]

You're dodging the question, RR.

My question was not why should we lynch TG7.

My question is why do we need to decide on a fallback lynch right now?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So much for my first time in a mafia game. Thanks.

I'm very blunt in mafia, that's just how I work in a game like this. It's the only way I can get my point across easy for people to understand.

You've dodged questions and outright ignored others. I suggest you ask questions and answer them if you want to keep playing.

I'd suggest playing a newbie game in DGames if you want to try it out, if you replace out.

That is my answer for you.

You're dodging the question, RR.

My question was not why should we lynch TG7.

My question is why do we need to decide on a fallback lynch right now?

I answered this.

That's the thing, removing someone who is going to give us nothing can win us the game, if he chooses to not contribute and be active, he is detrimental, town or scum if he chooses to not answer anything to give reads.

It is good, because if he doesn't give me a read, he is a good person to remove from the game even if he isn't ideal read wise. I'd rather have a long term game plan than a scrambled last second one.

TG7 is null because he has answered nothing to give me a reasont o view him as either town or scum, he is deterimental.

~

John: What do you think of Gustave's response to T-block?

Gustave: Who are you looking at for scum picks?

 

[Vinylic.]

Half of the questions are something I cannot particularly speak of.

Concerned about my well-being? Since when?

 

[John2k4]

Um Tokyo... I'd highly request a replacement over a modkill, since a modkill on you will propel us into D2 already.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Half of the questions are something I cannot particularly speak of.

Concerned about my well-being? Since when?

Because you hit a cord with me.

Are you under a restriction of sorts?

Um Tokyo... I'd highly request a replacement over a modkill, since a modkill on you will propel us into D2 already.

If he's town, you seem sure he is town.

 

[John2k4]

Whoops, there was another page.

RR: I'll go check on that.

 

[John2k4]

Ninja'd again; I'll go check on that Gustave thing of yours to clarify.

 

[T-block]

why did you pick TG7 and not someone else?

John, this was at you.

Seriously, you need to stop ignoring questions x.x

 

[John2k4]

why did you pick TG7 and not someone else?

New guy, and due to that he wouldn't be of much help late game. Sorry, I didn't see the question, since I was skimming what I missed.

John: What do you think of Gustave's response to T-block?

I disagree with his thinking of:

I don't believe JTB is mafia, because of everything he did. I find it much harder to believe that a scum would put himself that out there on day 1, post 1, faking a copclaim with not much chance to get a lynch in.

Scum might use this tactic to gain TownCred, especially by doing it to a new player who wouldn't know how to respond.

 

[T-block]

@RR: Ah I missed that. Apologies.

So let's backtrack for a sec...

In 161, you say TG7 is the fallback lynch "no ifs ands or buts".
But then in 174, you say that you would listen to my reasoning if I were to oppose TG7's lynch.

Is the desire for a long term game plan really your reasoning? If I were to oppose it, your stating that you would ask why contradicts your earlier statement of "no ifs ands or buts". If you're going to bother to ask why, doesn't that allow the last second scramble to occur again?

 

[Vinylic.]

Because you hit a cord with me.

Are you under a restriction of sorts?

I have to play role of a character and I have to add a topic on most of my posts.

So yes.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR: Ah I missed that. Apologies.

So let's backtrack for a sec...

In 161, you say TG7 is the fallback lynch "no ifs ands or buts".
But then in 174, you say that you would listen to my reasoning if I were to oppose TG7's lynch.

Is the desire for a long term game plan really your reasoning? If I were to oppose it, your stating that you would ask why contradicts your earlier statement of "no ifs ands or buts". If you're going to bother to ask why, doesn't that allow the last second scramble to occur again?

I would listen to you only if you had a valid reason why we shouldn't lynch him, aka a better canidate.

No ifs ands or buts was too absolute on my part. More so at the time he was the clear candidate due to his play.

Long term is my reasoning, yes it can change but if possible I want to take steps to avoid a scramble. Yes listening to you has that risk, but I trust you to be town right now, so I would consider listening to you above anyone else.

Now onto Tokyo,

I have to play role of a character and I have to add a topic on most of my posts.

So yes.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Can you at all describe what is holding you back from answering questions? Because in a way you did answer mine here with the restriction comment.

 

[Vinylic.]

Now we are getting somewhere.

Can you at all describe what is holding you back from answering questions? Because in a way you did answer mine here with the restriction comment.

Most of the questions do hold me back. I can't seem to give out a good answer when they're complex. Some are just weird.

"Are you scum?" is something I wouldn't answer since I have no Ideawhat it has to do with me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Most of the questions do hold me back. I can't seem to give out a good answer when they're complex. Some are just weird.

"Are you scum?" is something I wouldn't answer since I have no Ideawhat it has to do with me.

The point of mafia is for Town to find Scum and lynch them, or if your scum is to not be found by town and kill them until you can't be lynched. Indy's are going for different wincon.

Now the reason people are asking you "Are you scum?" is because that is town's goal in this game, while mafia's is to hide from town using lies and deceit.

Town wants to find people whom are lying about being town and lynch them.

Do you understand this?

~

If so, can you tell me what you want to do in this game?

 

[Vinylic.]

I complete understand now. Ty.

And what I want to do? That will depend throughout the game.
For now, I want to avoid getting lynched.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

For now, I want to avoid getting lynched.

Elaborate on why?

Also if you were to be looking for scum, who would you look at atm?

 

[T-block]

I would listen to you only if you had a valid reason why we shouldn't lynch him, aka a better canidate.

No ifs ands or buts was too absolute on my part. More so at the time he was the clear candidate due to his play.

Long term is my reasoning, yes it can change but if possible I want to take steps to avoid a scramble. Yes listening to you has that risk, but I trust you to be town right now, so I would consider listening to you above anyone else.

I think it's completely crazy to think that I won't have a better pick than the useless newb by the end of D1. You've played enough games with me to know that I will

"No ifs ands or buts" shows reluctance to adapt a decision even with a potential influx of new information, and I see it as a device for scum to set up a mislynch. You set it up so that you might be able to make a decision early, when we have less information, and make it stick until the end of the day. Making decisions with less information... guess which side that favours.

It also shows a desire to get players to follow your lead. While there's actually nothing inherently wrong with that, the fact that you want to lead players into, as I said, making a decision with less information is raising red flags in my mind. Moreover, you say you would listen to me if I opposed it, but not anyone else. This shows your desire to be the leader is actually more a desire to sway weaker players to follow you, no? Why would you boldly state "TG7 is the fallback; no deviating from this" and then say "T-block, if you were to oppose this I'd listen"? You're not being consistent. Do you really have so little faith in your own abilities to evaluate a player's logic that you have to look at the source of the argument to determine whether the argument itself is worth considering?

Clear candidate? By the time you attempted to institute a fallback lynch, I already had enough material to make a better lynch choice, but I guess I can't really hold it against you if you didn't see the same things I did.

 

[T-block]

@Gustave: What's your previous mafia experience?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Gustave: Who are you looking at for scum picks?

Hard to say, I'll say who I'd be fine with lynching and why.

1. Auspher - What the... Is Auspher even playing? Show more of yourself. - Wouldn't mind lynching.
2. Gustave - A good-looking guy, plays great. We shouldn't lynch him!
3. John2k4 - At least he's trying. I wouldn't support this lynch.
4. JTB - You know my stance, I think he's leaning to the town side a lot more than anyone else. Has recently disappeared and not posted anything, though. Come back, JTB. Wouldn't lynch.
5. Kantrip - Despite few posts, still plays a good game, I'd say. Wouldn't want to lynch.
6. Red Ryu - I do agree with T-block's previous previous post, at some parts. I do think a leader is sort of needed, to keep everyone active and give general direction. It doesn't necessarily have to be you, though. Wouldn't vote, but wouldn't care much about a lynch.
7. T-block - All over the place. Not really have a read on him, but is known as a strong player, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Would care about a lynch.
8. Terywj - Has only made a buttload of one-liners that make it look like he posts a lot. Nothing you've said has done anything to make me think you're trying to play for town. You still think we're in RVS after T-block makes a legit case on me and TG7 got pushed by JTB. Also, read back page 9, Kantrip has asked you a question that has still gone unanswered. So far, you've been the most useless person (bar TG7 but I'll get to that). Would be fine with a lynch, my vote on him stays.
9. TokyoGamer7 - Has never played mafia before, has requested a modkill, gets emotional. Sounds like me in my first game. I was mason with a scum there, but yeahh, TG7 still sounds more newb than scum to me. Doesn't take away that his play has started to get on my nerves, not answering questions, just repeating that he can't answer and saying you'll modkill yourself. Haven't done anything, but I can understand it's very hard to do anything in your first game. I didn't contribute one thing in my game, so I can understand, but not excuse it. Would support a lynch.
10. The Paprika Killer - Makes very small posts. Does contain content, one post made no sense to me, though

but why decide now what we're going to do in 5 days, instead of, you know. five days?

Isn't this the whole point of the Day? All you do i about deciding a lynch for 5 days later. Obviously, this changes in the 5 days, but saying we should just postpone decisions to near the end, when most likely not everyone is here, isn't the way to go. You take decisions, and then later come back on the decisions, it's whole idea of activity. We could also sit here, flinging poop at one another and then at the end decide "YOU".
Would be willing to vote TPK, but would want to lynch others.

@Gustave: What's your previous mafia experience?

Played quite some games on the Dutch Smash site, 2 games in Dgames and 2 games in the DR, so I do have mafia expierence.

Scum might use this tactic to gain TownCred, especially by doing it to a new player who wouldn't know how to respond.

I wouldn't consider JTB, the person in question, a new player, nor T-block, whom it was a defense against.


Anyone else want to share a list with small write-ups of everyone, or isn't this cool anymore ?

 

[Deleted member]

way to completely miss the point of that post. I suggest reading back a bit

 

[JTB]

ill be here later today, sorry for disappearing

 

[Vinylic.]

Elaborate on why?

Also if you were to be looking for scum, who would you look at atm?

Too many reasons.

And I would look at tery as scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think it's completely crazy to think that I won't have a better pick than the useless newb by the end of D1. You've played enough games with me to know that I will

"No ifs ands or buts" shows reluctance to adapt a decision even with a potential influx of new information, and I see it as a device for scum to set up a mislynch. You set it up so that you might be able to make a decision early, when we have less information, and make it stick until the end of the day. Making decisions with less information... guess which side that favours.

It also shows a desire to get players to follow your lead. While there's actually nothing inherently wrong with that, the fact that you want to lead players into, as I said, making a decision with less information is raising red flags in my mind. Moreover, you say you would listen to me if I opposed it, but not anyone else. This shows your desire to be the leader is actually more a desire to sway weaker players to follow you, no? Why would you boldly state "TG7 is the fallback; no deviating from this" and then say "T-block, if you were to oppose this I'd listen"? You're not being consistent. Do you really have so little faith in your own abilities to evaluate a player's logic that you have to look at the source of the argument to determine whether the argument itself is worth considering?

Clear candidate? By the time you attempted to institute a fallback lynch, I already had enough material to make a better lynch choice, but I guess I can't really hold it against you if you didn't see the same things I did.

I derp on my part then.

I am merely saying if there is no clear good choice, a fallback is fine to layout if need be like I tried doing.

I have no clue where the instances of trying to sway weak players, becoming leader? I'm trying yes, because I do think I can do this.

And no, I am not asking you because I don't trust my logic, more so it's my trust in you in that I know your intent. There is a reason, and I think you know what it is.

I can see you for who you really are.

Hard to say, I'll say who I'd be fine with lynching and why.

1. Auspher - What the... Is Auspher even playing? Show more of yourself. - Wouldn't mind lynching.
2. Gustave - A good-looking guy, plays great. We shouldn't lynch him!
3. John2k4 - At least he's trying. I wouldn't support this lynch.
4. JTB - You know my stance, I think he's leaning to the town side a lot more than anyone else. Has recently disappeared and not posted anything, though. Come back, JTB. Wouldn't lynch.
5. Kantrip - Despite few posts, still plays a good game, I'd say. Wouldn't want to lynch.
6. Red Ryu - I do agree with T-block's previous previous post, at some parts. I do think a leader is sort of needed, to keep everyone active and give general direction. It doesn't necessarily have to be you, though. Wouldn't vote, but wouldn't care much about a lynch.
7. T-block - All over the place. Not really have a read on him, but is known as a strong player, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Would care about a lynch.
8. Terywj - Has only made a buttload of one-liners that make it look like he posts a lot. Nothinl think g you've said has done anything to make me think you're trying to play for town. You stilwe're in RVS after T-block makes a legit case on me and TG7 got pushed by JTB. Also, read back page 9, Kantrip has asked you a question that has still gone unanswered. So far, you've been the most useless person (bar TG7 but I'll get to that). Would be fine with a lynch, my vote on him stays.
9. TokyoGamer7 - Has never played mafia before, has requested a modkill, gets emotional. Sounds like me in my first game. I was mason with a scum there, but yeahh, TG7 still sounds more newb than scum to me. Doesn't take away that his play has started to get on my nerves, not answering questions, just repeating that he can't answer and saying you'll modkill yourself. Haven't done anything, but I can understand it's very hard to do anything in your first game. I didn't contribute one thing in my game, so I can understand, but not excuse it. Would support a lynch.
10. The Paprika Killer - Makes very small posts. Does contain content, one post made no sense to me, though

So scum picks are Tery and Tokyo.

Tokyo you say you understand why it is hard for him, yet you support his lynch? Is that due to my stances before on a fallback?

Too many reasons.

And I would look at tery as scum.

Ok, what is it that Tery is doing that makes you think he is scum.

Keep in mind what I told you scum wants to do, does Tery fit this?

 

[Deleted member]

Gustave, you're really willing to lynch Tokyo at this early point in the game? He's trying to learn after all, and I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction for new players to get emotional/overly-defensive in their first go round.

And I didn't think I seemed that inactive in this game. :< I thought I did post some in here already, but I've also not been active over the weekend since I was at a tourney.

 

[John2k4]

He's trying to learn after all, and I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction for new players to get emotional/overly-defensive in their first go round.

I can attest to this.

Tokyo, are you going to try to stick it out for a while, or do you still want to replace..?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

John, can you tell me who you are looking at atm for scum picks?

 

[Kantrip]

TG7, I can pretty much say you were just getting pressure because you're new, and people wanted to see how you reacted.

 

[Xiivi]

Vc1.b

6/10|10.27.11 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
JTB|Terywj/The Paprika Killer/
Terywj|Gustave/
Red Ryu|JTB/
No Vote|Auspher/John2k4/Red Ryu/TokyoGamer7/Kantrip/T-block/

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not enough people are voting.

Vote: Gustave

I do not like his flip flopping earlier.

 

[John2k4]

John, can you tell me who you are looking at atm for scum picks?

The main one I'm looking at right now is Tery, since he seems to be trying to fly by on the minimum to prevent a prod.

 

[Kantrip]

No, John, I am trying to fly by on the minimum to prevent a prod.

 

[T-block]

@Kantrip and John:

Restate your thoughts on JTB please? Read my 128. And read the part in my 187 addressed to TPK. Thoughts on those?

 

[T-block]

Oh and RR, I don't know who you think I am, but I'm not so sure I am whoever you think I am o.o Just saying.

 

[John2k4]

I have JTB as a null right now, but have the oh so slightest scum feeling towards him, regarding his opening gambit.
-
Here's what comes to mind as I read your two posts(128 and 187):
I agree with your 128, TB. Also agree with your stance on the FB Lynch.

 

[T-block]

Reasoning please. What makes him lean slightly scum for you?