Housepets! Mafia - Game Over - Who lived happily ever after in Babylon Gardens?

[JTB]

Seeing as much of the player lists is sheep, not really.

 

[Kantrip]

I know. I said we have enough players to make use of your interactions (AKA like 2 or 3).

As long as someone is alive toMorrow to analyze things...

Dammit, the more I look at this, the worse it looks.

T-Block, assuming there is a cop, can they just cop JTB and we lynch a useless sheep toDay? I am really worried about MyLo.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If JTB's town, we're looking into Kantrip. I don't really see anyone else that contributed to the general case aside from T-Block.

If JTB's scum, we're looking into Guus. I can see Auspher, also.

I'll be back in about two hours to drop the hammer I guess. Want to let more people talk about this and stuff.

 

[John2k4]

We've got until midnight tonight, so take your time Tery.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Auspher - town because he is Peanut and Peanut is definitely town

What no this is ********. Clearing someone because of flavour shouldn't be the case, especially an expierenced mafia player like you. I really hope you have more reason to clear Auspher than his name. Bad play by you, T-block.

 

[T-block]

Ah, I misread the deadline. Not worried about that anymore then.

Kantrip, what's JTB going to flip?

Why do you assume we're going to get to MYLO?

 

[T-block]

What no this is ********. Clearing someone because of flavour shouldn't be the case, especially an expierenced mafia player like you. I really hope you have more reason to clear Auspher than his name. Bad play by you, T-block.

Ugh, do you even read the thread at any level deeper than the most shallow one?

 

[Deleted member]

oh lol, guus you're stressing that point way too much and you're the only one too. are you scum and did you get an obvscum flavour or something?

welp, time to read back timezone awesomeness

 

[Deleted member]

I guess I'll just hammer now? unless someone still has somethign to say

 

[T-block]

i am a-okay with hammer

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What no this is ********. Clearing someone because of flavour shouldn't be the case, especially an expierenced mafia player like you. I really hope you have more reason to clear Auspher than his name. Bad play by you, T-block.

That isn't the sole reason I consider him town atm, just a heads up. There are other things that need to be covered before then though which will happen tomorrow.

Doc T-Block plz.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I think we're done here.

Vote: JTB

 

[T-block]

oh my goddddddd you used it <3333

 

[Xiivi]

Vc1j

6/10|10.27.11 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
JTB|T-block/Red Ryu/Kantrip/John2k4/Auspher/Terywj/
Auspher|Gustave/TokyoGamer7/
Kantrip|JTB/
No Vote|The Paprika Killer/

JTB, Zach, Vanilla Townie has been lynched.

Deadline for Night 1:
10.28.11 11:59PM EST

 

[Xiivi]

Auspher, Peanut, Vanilla Townie has been murdered.

The Paprika Killer, Fido, Town Cult-Leader has been found dead.

D2 Begins!

Deadline: 11.03.11 11:59PM EST
Lynch: 4/7

 

[Kantrip]

Well.

Two deaths?

@Mod, are you able clarify on Town Cult-Leader?

"Murdered" seems to imply that Auspher's kill was through the scum's NK. This would make sense since he was pretty much cleared by his flavour.

Welp. Re-reading.

 

[Kantrip]

I know what your doing, don't care, you did it wrong die.

Was this serious, RR?

 

[Xiivi]

#Mod: I will not specify the specific mechanics for the role in this game. However I will say that there have been roles in games I have hosted in the past with the name "Town Cult-Leader" as well. I do not confirm or deny that the role is identical to those of identical name I have used in the past.

 

[Kantrip]

@mod, alright, fair enough. Thanks




@John2k4; I want your thoughts right now. Thoughts on me and T-Block as a result of the town flip from JTB, thoughts on the Night Kills and what they mean to you, and thoughts on who you think is scum and who you think is town as a result of these occurrences.

 

[Kantrip]

@Red Ryu and T-Block, thoughts on what happened as well, please. T-Block: what are you rethinking now that you were wrong on a read you were so confident in? Red Ryu: What is your read on T-Block now?

 

[John2k4]

Well, that was an interesting Twilight period.

My thoughts right now:

Well dang, two deaths. That hurts a smaller-ish game like this. I was not expecting Auspher to be NKilled (Presuming he was the NK since it says "murdered"). It's also surprising to me that tPK was killed.

tPK was "found dead", which makes me think it was not a mafia-oriented NK. I'm thinking possible Indy. He didn't really contribute *too much*, so it's interesting to me that he was the kill choice.

-

I'm suspicious of TB, since JTB flipped town (yeah to be expected I guess).

Something doesn't sit right with Tery. He didn't post much useful, and was trying to hide behind meta from other games. At the end of day, he was more than happy to be the hammer to JTB. I hadn't seen that much "motivation" from him for the whole game.

FoS: Terywj

 

[T-block]

**** my life. i don't think this game could be going any worse -_-

i can't shake the feeling you already knew jtb was going to flip town and were setting things up at the end of D1, kantrip, and i'd like to hear if anyone else gets the same vibe - RR's thoughts in particular would be good to hear.

i've got a midterm tomorrow, and i need a break from this game anyways. i'll reread and start doing stuff in 24 hours.

 

[Kantrip]

John, I want your read on T-Block, Red Ryu, and myself.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Something doesn't sit right with Tery. He didn't post much useful, and was trying to hide behind meta from other games. At the end of day, he was more than happy to be the hammer to JTB. I hadn't seen that much "motivation" from him for the whole game.

Woah woah woah woah. Show me the posts where I said this. Please.

Also, if you read my posts you'd have known I wanted to debate between Auspher and TokyoGamer, but with no clear option by the end of Day 1, we needed a hammer, and I was there to bring one. That's being motivated?

Speaking of TokyoGamer, let's hear some thoughts.

 

[Kantrip]

John2k4 is scum.

So John, now that I got your heart racing:

Meta Stuff
In MM Mafia, John played differently to this. I didn't know how to read it at the time, but looking back at it and having something to compare it to, it is noticeably different. In this game, John is asking a lot of questions, and getting people to post when he sees them viewing, and commenting on a lot of random things. A vast amount of his posts also include a great deal of fluff and joking around. He has used a liberal amount of faces, faces, faces, and faces. I do not like how he has buddied players with his jokingly jolly nature.

Quotes

Whatcha thinking so far, Tery?

This is just evidence to his change in playstyle from our last game. In this game, he doesn't just speak when spoken to, but he's asking questions and making statements on his own. This is exactly the kind of play I would expect from newb scum. Knowing how John played as newb town and seeing the contrast, it makes it very easy.

Red pulled the same Daycop thing right out of the gate in MM, so I like to give it a bit to see what becomes of claims.

Alright, so John acknowledges that he's seen the same daycop claim before. In MM, John knew what was up; he understood that it was a gambit and he acknowledges the correlation between the two games. Remember this.

Really, it's the start of the first day, JTB...I don't like your pressuring for votes so fast.

Yeah. So apparently, John doesn't quite understand the gambit. The whole point is to pressure for points. John knew this, had seen it before, knew he had seen it before, and even brought it up already (see the quote above). Scum slip.

Can't do that, Star Fox.

Give it a bit, holy wow you're anxious. o.o

This was also directed at JTB after his gambit. John went from saying he wasn't too worried about it as he had seen the same thing done before, to accusing JTB of being anxious. This was a really fast shift in opinions, and nothing was said (in thread, at least) that validates John's change of heart.

I don't like how he's trying to force my hand into it. He seems almost too anxious to get Tokyo voted off. >.>

Just another post showing the same thing.

Yeah, I know he claimed to have Daycopped him, but after what you did early on in MM, I'm hesitant to instantly jump onto it.

Tokyo - go try and read through the Mafia information threads in the DG area...that might help you.

This is a response to Red Ryu. Strange, his opinion shifts again when he re-addresses his scummate Red Ryu.

Spoiler

I'll get to that later, lol

"I'm hesitant to instantly jump on it".

Yeah, right. This definitely does not match up with what actually happened. John very clearly jumped on it pretty instantly.

That's interesting... How's it going my Kongmunist buddy, why the vote?

I voted John2k4 right off the bat in D1 because I wanted to see how John would react to it. I wasn't expecting buddying as a reaction, but I suppose it makes sense. John would want to buddy me so I would be less likely to suspect him in the future, as he knows I would have meta on him from playing with him before, and also because I voted him right away.

I told him my role PM said he was confirmed scum. I was honestly expecting him to question that.

Better yet, I was expecting him to call me on lying because he would know what I said was false. Considering he didn't suspect me (what I very much expected him to do as town), it worries me. He said "someone get the water, Kanty's gone looney again ", just for reference.

I'm pretty sure Red Ryu his scummate told him that I couldn't possibly know he was scum and to write it off as a joke. Unfortunately, that was not the correct thing to get John to do, as it is out of character and doesn't fit his meta.

Oh? I thought I already did...?




I'd like to give his claim a day at least to simmer, so to speak. It's still interesting information, and I have made note of it.

Backtracking here. John now says he wants to let the claim from before simmer, even though he has definitely already ruined its chance to do so by questioning it.

That's what I was starting to think you were doing, JTB, but it went 10 feet over my head when you first posted it. :/

Huge lie here. It DID NOT go over John's head. John specifically said in his FIRST response to the gambit that he had seen it before from RR. He tries to weasel his way out of suspicion by playing the newb card and saying "it went over my head", but that back door is NOT going to fly with me. John knew what was going on, and this post right here is pretty incriminating against him.

TG7, could you answer my 127, please?

This is just going back and showing John's change in character between games, again.

I feel that he could be town, trying to put pressure on and extract info from the new Tokyo by doing the faked cop act.

Oh wow. Oh. Wow. This post speaks for itself. It refers to JTB again.

I like this. He could be trying to do this to TG7, since he is completely new to the Mafia scene and did not know how to defend himself.

Or at least scum trying to earn town cred.

And then? Man John, you are too funny. How many times did you change your mind on this read? So at first you thought it was null because you'd seen it before, then you started to find it suspicious because he was so anxious, then you said you didn't know what he was doing, then you say you like it, and now you say IT COULD GO EITHER WAY?

What the wishy washy ****?!?

Yes.

If Tokyo does nothing on D1, we lynch him if we got no one better, no if ands or buts.

Red Ryu setting up a fallback lynch. I don't care for the idea, but this is nothing against RR. Just for reference.

You've got my support on the FB lynch idea. And on Tokyo being FB-L 1.

Bam Johnsheep.

Why are you so concerned about TG7? Are you scum?

Here's just an example of one of John's many emoticon posts. Adding the trollface to an otherwise serious post is such a good way to leave a back-door just in case. It's actually quite obvious though. This post was responding to Tery btw.

It's strange that John completely supports lynching TG7, and then when people talk about TG7 (meaning Tery), he accuses them of being scum?

New guy, and due to that he wouldn't be of much help late game. Sorry, I didn't see the question, since I was skimming what I missed.



I disagree with his thinking of:


Scum might use this tactic to gain TownCred, especially by doing it to a new player who wouldn't know how to respond.

Alright, so John provides reasoning for a TG7 fallback lynch. Too bad a lot of players are new and won't help in endgame. Hell, I think the playerlist right now is majority new. So once again, John is bringing up the JTB gambit. This time the story has changed again, naturally. He could be scum trying to get towncred. Apparently picking a new player who doesn't know how to respond is scummy.

It isn't. Picking a new player is exactly what you want to do. You want them to not know how to respond, because that's how you get the best reads out of them. They will be the most sincere when they are flustered and don't know what to do.

The main one I'm looking at right now is Tery, since he seems to be trying to fly by on the minimum to prevent a prod.

I hate this as a scum read. Tery because he is posting but only to avoid a prod? Seriously? WHY DID NO ONE QUESTION THIS? Tery had obviously been posting more than some others. I'd need to see reasoning for John's scumpick, as Tery has been his consistent scumread and he has never given sufficient reasoning.

I have JTB as a null right now, but have the oh so slightest scum feeling towards him, regarding his opening gambit.
-
Here's what comes to mind as I read your two posts(128 and 187):
I agree with your 128, TB. Also agree with your stance on the FB Lynch.

I actually laughed when I compiled John's posts and realized how many of them referred to JTB's gambit. It made it better that they all contradicted each other. So apparently, after all that, JTB is ACTUALLY null with an ever-so-slight lean towards scum. This. Is. Hilarious.

I can see some of what people are trying to....do... (Need to find a better word)...with TG7, since most of the same kind of thing happened to me in MM (regarding the early pressure).

This contradicts what John said earlier about JTB. He said that he didn't understand TG7 as a target because he's new and wouldn't know how to respond. Yet now he says he does understand why people are pressuring TG7 for being new.

I'm loving that reasoning, T-Block.
Vote: JTB

John was the first one to post after T-Block's case, and didn't say anything but this. I think it's safe to say this shouldn't fly considering the play was a mis-lynch. I like T-Block still. He had the balls to make the case and shouldn't be scum because of it. John, on the other hand....

With what, around two and a half days left in this Day, he should be claiming soon if he wants any hope at turning things around for D1 then.

John said this after there were only TWO votes on the JTB wagon (himself and T-Block). "Turning things around"? Honestly? He's trying to make it sound like JTB's lynch was set in stone unless he tried really hard to change it.

I'll say that yes, I agree with the points he made. I feel comfortable placing my vote on JTB. (Not quite sure about sheep...although I presume it means following and parroting others. )

Yes John, that's exactly it. Though you're the scummiest kind of sheep. The kind that passes pressure off as a joke and changes his mind all the time. THEN he decides to go with the flow and follow other players.

You're at L-1....how about a claim, no?

This is for reference. John knew JTB was at L-1.

Yeah, I had no idea we were that close to quickhammering JTB. I'll try to keep a better eye on those votes.

LOL, yeah you did have an idea you were "that close to hammering". You acknowledged that he was at L-1 already! If you're going to use back-doors, you have to think of them BEFORE you get called out.

Thanks for the character reference, I've never read the comic.

It sounds like a reasonable claim at least, nothing mismatching with the real description...

*T-Block ninjas me...
Sounds like a safeclaim to me.

Is this post... for real? I mean, John posts two contradicting thoughts in the same post because he got ninja'd.... And no, he didn't edit anything in, this was all one thought. First it sounds like a reasonable claim? Then it sounds like a mafia safe claim?

I'm not trying to wishywashy my posts around... I just was interested in the character bio that Red posted. Makes the claim seems somewhat likely.

(My vote is still on him if that's what you're worried about, Kan. )

This vote is just here to humour me. Not trying to wishywashy, it's just happening, eh?

I would look at Tery, since he hasn't really given anything yet. Like, not a single piece of useable info. I would clear T-Block as Town.

Still no reasoning for Tery besides a lack of info to use to read him.

Kanty, which one do you want lynched more at this point: JTB or Auspher?

Obviously he gives me these two options. As we've already seen, both of these people were town. Would you look at that? A win-win for Johnscum who can have a mis-lynch either way.

I'd place my vote on Auspher since it almost seems that he is trying to be difficult to read, and I don't like it.

Smh. Just smh.

I think it is safe to put JTB at L-1, I suggest people do such.

Ask,

Vote: JTB

He is at L-2.

and you shall receive.

Well, that was an interesting Twilight period.

My thoughts right now:

Well dang, two deaths. That hurts a smaller-ish game like this. I was not expecting Auspher to be NKilled (Presuming he was the NK since it says "murdered"). It's also surprising to me that tPK was killed.

tPK was "found dead", which makes me think it was not a mafia-oriented NK. I'm thinking possible Indy. He didn't really contribute *too much*, so it's interesting to me that he was the kill choice.

-

I'm suspicious of TB, since JTB flipped town (yeah to be expected I guess).

Something doesn't sit right with Tery. He didn't post much useful, and was trying to hide behind meta from other games. At the end of day, he was more than happy to be the hammer to JTB. I hadn't seen that much "motivation" from him for the whole game.

FoS: Terywj

Reasoning for Tery is still a lack of posting very much? Yeah that's not gonna' fly.





Vote: John2k4

 

[Kantrip]

Good, now that that's out of the way I can ask Red Ryu what he thinks about my case on his scummate. Answer when you feel like it, no rush there. Maybe we can get a response from other players as well? But that's probably wishful thinking on my part. I would like to see a response from at least T-Block, Tery, John, and Red Ryu, though. That's it for now.

 

[Kantrip]

1. Auspher
2. Gustave
3. John2k4
4. JTB
5. Kantrip
6. Red Ryu
7. T-block
8. Terywj
9. The Paprika Killer
10. TokyoGamer7

More for reference than anything.

 

[Kantrip]

Tery: I know I said in my first Newbie Game that I didn't like full read lists, but I realized they are fine and they actually help to organize thoughts nicely.

What's yours' right now?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Tery: I know I said in my first Newbie Game that I didn't like full read lists, but I realized they are fine and they actually help to organize thoughts nicely.

What's yours' right now?

Ha.


3. John2k4
10. TokyoGamer7
- I really hope I don't need to restate the many issues I have with TokyoGamer. As for John, I've never played Mafia with him before so I don't quite know what to expect. I do understand your terms against him and will wait to see his responses.

2. Gustave
6. Red Ryu
- Both slots have been going on and off. I could probably base a more accurate read with some more posts, particularly regarding the current situation.

5. Kantrip
- You're starting to look good there, Kantrip ("starting" as in, me liking your posts, not you being good at the game, that of which I am in no position whatsoever to make such a statement).

7. T-block
8. Terywj
- Obvious town is obvious. I still think T-Block is town, but that isn't set in stone just yet. More on this as it develops.

 

[Kantrip]

I take it you agree with some of the non-meta portions of my case? Or did you have John as scum before?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I had John teetering between neutral and leaning towards town way back, and the fluff between then and your case kept my thoughts there. Previous metagame aside, I can definitely see where you're coming from with this, and as I've said myself earlier, that I disagree with some of the stuff John's trying to pull on me (obviously because I understand me, I think).

 

[Kantrip]

Interesting. Thanks

I think I see where you're coming from with TG7, though that's the one read I disagree with you on. His reactions and the way he's been talking have just looked like new town play. No problem there as there's not much to work with and any read on TG7 would just be interpretation of his fluff.

Him and Gustave need to be more involved, though.

 

[John2k4]

Holy biscuits, Kanty. Slow down there.


MM was my first "True" forum-based mafia game. I've been trying to use the feedback from there to change my playstyle and not be as much of a "hamper", so to speak, to the others. I was looking at specific comments in it (rarely posting, posting when spoken to, etc), and trying to use that here. I noticed that in all these mafia games, people are asking the "browsers" to post their thoughts. I've been trying to do that too.
In MM, I was concerned about the rules about images, hence I rarely posted a smiley. With this being the DR (and a more relaxed environment), I like to add some emotion to my posts with those smileys.
--
I'll try to address the points you made in your wall of text:

Your vote in early D1 didn't phase me, simply because of the number of "Joke votes" I saw right out of the gate. I thought you were pulling the same kind of thing trying to be funny.

...(many quotes later)...

I knew he was at L-1 because I went back and counted through myself...

 

[Kantrip]

If you thought my vote was just a "joke" like the rest of the RvS votes, why did you ask me about it? You asked why I voted as if you expected something other than "it is just RvS". So I said my reasoning was that you were confirmed scum in my role PM and you stopped being serious and called me looney. Quite a strange shift in attitude, if you ask me.

You said he was at L-1 BEFORE you said you didn't know he was close to being hammered.

 

[John2k4]

Do you at least understand that yes, I am trying to change my playstyle from MM, but I've been trying to use the feedback in MM to do so?

I can understand where you are coming from with your newbscum playstyle change note.

 

[Kantrip]

Yes, I realize that a player is bound to change their playstyle as they improve. However, I can say that what's happening here is not what I would expect as the natural progression. It seems forced to me, and you're commenting on all the wrong things.

It's all well and fine to want people viewing the thread to post, but usually you should have some actual content yourself.

What are your reads right now?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Hey John, calling me scum and then ignoring me, are we?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Fastest. Night Phase. Ever.

Those kills are nowhere in the directions I thought. Auspher was a mafia kill.

I'll get to TPK in a sec, I know what his role does btw if I'm remembering it from another game Xiivi hosted.

Kantrip read is pending on a reread as well with the flips in mind.

I dunno why Kan's case points me to being scum, I'll read the whole thing is a sec, I'm checking something.

 

[Kantrip]

Looked up Town Cult Leader, got some results about a role that can "recruit" members and they can then all communicate and become cleared to each other.

Some variation of this sound right?

If so, I really wish I could have been in Fido's cult

It gets me thinking, he was found dead, right? What if his role says that if he targets someone who is a member of the mafia, he will die rather than recruiting them?

That could be interesting. I'm going to see if TPK crumbed his recruit choice at all (assuming I'm anywhere near the right track).

 

[Kantrip]

okay, sort of time again to post stuff.

just to be clear my vote should not have been on JTB anymore a while back already. (I still hate you for the gambit but that doesn't make you scum).

to sum up my thoughts on people real quick,
people not contributing jacks***:
TG7 and Terywj
while TG can be somewhat forgiven for being completely new to this game, he is extremely reluctant to learn or care for the game in general. his modkill request puts him on town for now though.
Tery is just ugh. afaik he has (some) experience so this is just annoying. lazy null

Kantrip and John are null because for me there are just, well, there. it's probably just me but these two are kind of the grey mouses.

RR I have as town for now (though the fluff on Zach was sooooooo not needed)

onto the peopel that matter.

Guus: don't like him. his wishy-washy behaviour during the gambit and his later"super obvious" statements about it contribute a lot to this, and also the general feel he's sheeping JTB. leaning scum.

T-block is town in my opinion. kind of hard to pinpoint but he hasn't said anything that make me think he's scum.

JTB is err, I honestly can't tell anymore, but he is very good at what he's doing.

lol Auspher at first I was going to ask how much experience you had because your unvote could just have been you being newb, but #341 just convinced me because that is such a typical scum reaction I can't even believe you're posting it.

Vote: Auspher
(that's 3 votes now right?)

Hmm, well he provided reads on people here. If I have the role correct, that means he most likely targeted one of T-Block/Red Ryu. Meaning, one of these two people are a non-town role.

The reason for targeting these two would be that
A. they are town reads for him so that he would feel safe recruiting them without fear of death.
B. they are experienced a would be useful both to have as a clear and also to be able to communicate with.

It seems like he would more likely target T-Block just because he was more sold on his townread on T-Block.

I want people's thoughts on this too, though.