Housepets! Mafia - Game Over - Who lived happily ever after in Babylon Gardens?

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

T-Block might be scum.

Pretty sure TPK was gonna target T-Block based on his reads, town Cult leader will die when targeting mafia, T-Block was by far his strongest town read.

That's really why I think T-Block scum is definantly possible. He never crumbed his intended target, he really should have, but readwise I don't see why he would target someone else.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

okay, sort of time again to post stuff.

just to be clear my vote should not have been on JTB anymore a while back already. (I still hate you for the gambit but that doesn't make you scum).

to sum up my thoughts on people real quick,
people not contributing jacks***:
TG7 and Terywj
while TG can be somewhat forgiven for being completely new to this game, he is extremely reluctant to learn or care for the game in general. his modkill request puts him on town for now though.
Tery is just ugh. afaik he has (some) experience so this is just annoying. lazy null

Kantrip and John are null because for me there are just, well, there. it's probably just me but these two are kind of the grey mouses.

RR I have as town for now (though the fluff on Zach was sooooooo not needed)

onto the peopel that matter.

Guus: don't like him. his wishy-washy behaviour during the gambit and his later"super obvious" statements about it contribute a lot to this, and also the general feel he's sheeping JTB. leaning scum.

T-block is town in my opinion. kind of hard to pinpoint but he hasn't said anything that make me think he's scum.

JTB is err, I honestly can't tell anymore, but he is very good at what he's doing.

lol Auspher at first I was going to ask how much experience you had because your unvote could just have been you being newb, but #341 just convinced me because that is such a typical scum reaction I can't even believe you're posting it.

Vote: Auspher
(that's 3 votes now right?)

He either targeted me or T-Block based on his read-list, I can't see why he would target anyone else with a role like that.

 

[Kantrip]

I think I ninja'd you, lol.

I brought up the same post and the same points, haha.

Well at least we're on the same page.

 

[Kantrip]

He either targeted me or T-Block based on his read-list, I can't see why he would target anyone else with a role like that.

Either you OR T-Block? Are you admitting that it's possible he targeted you with what happened?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm saying in a likely scenario, if your using a role like that he would target hardcore town reads, he would target me or T-Block.

Of course this is assuming he did since I can't find a single crumb in any of his posts on who he used his power on.

 

[Kantrip]

Well considering he died, that rules out whichever one of you is town as who he DID actually pick.

I honestly can't see him choosing anyone else. So if you're town and we have the role correct, T-Block is scum?

You're going to read my case on John when you get the chance, right?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah I will, I'm currently reading TPK's posts to narrow down who he didn't pick for sure.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I know for sure Tokyo and Tery weren't targeted, that much I am certain of based on his responses and reads of these players.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm fairly sure he didn't target Guus or Auspher, either.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red Ryu
T-Block
Kantrip
John2k4

This is a reference of whom he could have targeted so far, still reading him.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah, I came to the same four, and then removed myself for my list.

This still leaves me with RR, TB, and John.

At least one of those three is scum.

 

[Kantrip]

@TokyoGamer7 - Have you read up at all on mafia rules and stuff? Are you still going to stick it out and play? If so, could I get your thoughts on anything that has happened recently? Do you have any thoughts on any player's alignment?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah that list is it for possibles, no way he targetted Tery, Tokyo, or Gustave.

Also looking at Xiivi's past games for that role, can't find it thus far.

I'll get to the John post in a bit.

 

[Vinylic.]

@TokyoGamer7 - Have you read up at all on mafia rules and stuff? Are you still going to stick it out and play? If so, could I get your thoughts on anything that has happened recently? Do you have any thoughts on any player's alignment?

I'll still be playing. I got it right.

Not much happened for me in here but, your post was very true considering that John is scum iyo.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Do you have, like, any other comments thus far?

 

[Vinylic.]

How can T-Block be considered as scum?

 

[Kantrip]

Same way anyone else can.

Mainly because of TPK's role and his death due to targeting scum. That is pretty incriminating for either T-block or Red Ryu.

Do you agree with this?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

How can T-Block be considered as scum?

tPK was a Cult Leader. Cult Leaders can recruit someone into the cult during the night. However, if the target is scum, the Cult Leader dies. tPK stated that T-Block was one of his best town reads, and as such would want to recruit him into the cult. But now tPK is dead.

 

[Vinylic.]

Okay, I can agree with that.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh, good. You're actually posting relatively consistently now.

Who do you think is scum, TokyoGamer? Or maybe reads?

 

[Kantrip]

What do you mean by consistently, Tery?

I take it you agree with tblock or rr scum?

 

[Vinylic.]

But I thought you didn't want to restate.

Woah woah woah woah. Show me the posts where I said this. Please.

Also, if you read my posts you'd have known I wanted to debate between Auspher and TokyoGamer, but with no clear option by the end of Day 1, we needed a hammer, and I was there to bring one. That's being motivated?

Speaking of TokyoGamer, let's hear some thoughts.

Ha.


3. John2k4
10. TokyoGamer7
- I really hope I don't need to restate the many issues I have with TokyoGamer. As for John, I've never played Mafia with him before so I don't quite know what to expect. I do understand your terms against him and will wait to see his responses.

2. Gustave
6. Red Ryu
- Both slots have been going on and off. I could probably base a more accurate read with some more posts, particularly regarding the current situation.

5. Kantrip
- You're starting to look good there, Kantrip ("starting" as in, me liking your posts, not you being good at the game, that of which I am in no position whatsoever to make such a statement).

7. T-block
8. Terywj
- Obvious town is obvious. I still think T-Block is town, but that isn't set in stone just yet. More on this as it develops.

What made you think about what I am considered to be by you?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What do you mean by consistently, Tery?]/quote]

TokyoGamer usually posts like once and leaves. Now he's posted three times in one night. I approve.

But I thought you didn't want to restate.

I said I don't want to restate why I think your slot is questionable. I want to know your thoughts on the rest of the players.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That's ugly. I like this one.

What do you mean by consistently, Tery?

TokyoGamer usually posts like once and leaves. Now he's posted three times in one night. I approve.

But I thought you didn't want to restate.

I said I don't want to restate why I think your slot is questionable. I want to know your thoughts on the rest of the players.

 

[Kantrip]

Hmm.

Do you think John is in all possible scum outcomes?

Do you think we're looking at 2 scum and one indy this game?

 

[Kantrip]

First question is badly worded. I meant to ask more "do you see John as scum in more possible scum combinations than anyone else"? Thus making his lynch more likely to be scum? Or would you rather lynch one of rr/t-block?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Hm, it's quite hard to choose between RR and T-block. I agree, both of them have been likely targets for tPK. Sadly, after reading over his posts, I haven't read anything about his thoughts on RR apart from the one quoted and T-block was mentioned in few posts, but nothing big. All the reasonings provided as to why tPK would have chosen one of these, I agree with.

JTB's flip; I think a fairly determining factor in his lynch was the fact that information could be gained if he flipped scum. JTB flipped town, there must still be info that can be gained from it.
I'm in a really bad mood and get distracted too easily. Cba to do this now, but I'll try later tonight.

P.S Kantrip you have legit points on John and you have my pressure.

John2k4

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Check with a vote count before anyone votes John at this point, getting to his case on him in a sec.

 

[Xiivi]

Vc2a

4/7|11.03.11 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
John2k4|Kantrip/Gustave/
No Vote|TokyoGamer7/T-block/Red Ryu/John2k4/Terywj/

 

[Kantrip]

John, I'd like your thoughts on the current TPK cult discussion. Who do you think is scum?

 

[John2k4]

I've been perusing through and reading on it. My first period class gives me short bursts of time to read through.

The cult leader role is interesting, and I'm level with the common ground of he must have targeted scum.
What's to say he did target RR/TB? Just because they are some of the stongest players here doesn't mean that they were necessarily his choice. He could have tried to buddy up with one of the newer people, since RR/TB could 'hold their own', so to speak, and he may want to converse with someone else newer to either help them along or even just use them to place votes on those with strong scum reads.

 

[Jim Morrison]

You're generally better off being paired with stronger people than teaming up with newbs. This is why you would want to get expierenced players on the boat, so you can first of all confirm their towniness, and second of all use their expierence to help town win.

 

[Kantrip]

What Gustave said. And did you read TPK's read list? He would NOT target a question mark or scum read. He would know a scum target would kill him. That, and he would want an experienced player to discuss with, as a newb would not help much.

Which one do you think is scum out of the two of them, John?

 

[T-block]

Okay, motivation to play is back.

Kantrip, if I told you that the meta arguments you used in the case against John was garbage, what would you think of the strength of your case? His asking questions and such compared to MM holds no weight imo.

HOWEVER, all the contradictions are definitely something to note, and I agree that some of them are more outright lies than they are contradictions. You reminded me of some things I noted that I forgot... his supporting TG7 as a fallback lynch despite being null, and his defense of that set of alarms like crazy in my head, but I guess I was so caught up on JTB that I forgot about it.

I also dislike his defense in 553, because he says he's going to try to address your points, but then picks out the two points that are like... the easiest to respond to, and leaves the rest. He does not address his contradictory behaviour with respect to the gambit or his push for TG7 as a fallback lynch, which are, in my opinion, the two most incriminating points.

However, I don't know if John is the play toDay, and I still get the feeling that he is playing alone.

 

[Kantrip]

My case still holds plenty of weight without meta.

What do you think of the cultist speculation, T-Block?

 

[T-block]

On TPK's death, I agree it's likely that he targetted mafia and died as a result, but the only thing I feel comfortably saying for sure is that there's not another killing role in a game this small.

I need to caution everyone to not stick too hard to any assumptions we make - the only information I can find about a Cult Leader is an independent one, not a town-aligned one, and the mod has gone out of his way to hint that it may not be what we expect. Plus, the nature of my role suggests that there is something... weird going on with this game (in more ways than one). Don't put too much faith in the role name - in Gurren Lagann I was Town One-way Mason, but it was actually just an informed townie role.

Anyways, without the additional information I posess, Occam's Razor would suggest for you that he attempted to recruit mafia and died as a result. Even my information doesn't contradict this possibility, so let's go with this assumption for now.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Kantrip, if I told you that the meta arguments you used in the case against John was garbage, what would you think of the strength of your case? His asking questions and such compared to MM holds no weight imo.

I have to agree with Kantrip here, the fact that John made about 100 contradictory posts still speak strongly.
The best argument, to me, is without a doubt the fact that John knew he was at L-1 and then said he had no idea about the lynch being so close. His defense on this point didn't make sense, and after getting called out on it, he ignores the whole argument.

John's contradictory behaviour makes him worse than a politician.

 

[Kantrip]

T block, you said you can prove you are town and prove your role if you're alive toDay.

 

[John2k4]

Kanty, I'll answer that later today when I'm at a computer. I want to go back and reread everything TB and RR posted, and that's just not possible mobile. :/

-

I'm a bit lost on what 'playing alone' would be, TB.

 

[T-block]

As for who he targetted, there's no way in hell he targetted John. Nobody in their right mind would see utility in recruiting John.

I agree that his reads post is the place to go to. However, we need to note two important pieces of information:

• That post was made on October 25, almost a full two days before he submitted his action
• JTB flipped town

TPK never said what a JTB flip would do for his reads, unfortunately. Reads change - it makes sense to target the player who is likely to be town. JTB's flip might have brought me and RR down in his eyes, while lifting Kantrip.

Basicaly what I'm saying is I agree that he targetted me, RR, or Kantrip, but I think Kantrip is just as likely, if not more likely, to be the cause than either me or RR. We should keep that in mind moving forward.

...more thoughts to come later