Llumys
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Good read.
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Homophobia makes me sick!
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Falconv1.0
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If you're gay, whatever, I'll lol at you occasionally.
If you're a fairy (WHICH MOST GAY PEOPLE SEEM TO BE HURR) you deserve to be lynched.
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If you're a fairy (WHICH MOST GAY PEOPLE SEEM TO BE HURR) you deserve to be lynched.
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highfive
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Ya know, sooner or later straight marriage will be banned.
tirkaro
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Oh I know that!
I'm talking about on a subconscious level.
The wonderful thing about humans is that we have the power to make our own decisions, but basic instinct is still left in the back of our minds.
A while ago I stated that religion was also a basic human instinct, since most of them carry the same organic principles:
1- They give the believer hope, hence they live longer
2- Many of them differ, giving humans reason to conflict. (Humans are a race built entirely on forming tribes and conflicting. That's why everyone is at least a little bit racist.)
3- This may be overgeneralizing it a bit, but a lot of them tend to at least look down on homosexuality. (And the ones that don't are comparatively recent.)
However, since westerners and east asians are moving away from religion in exchange of a more scientific POV, they're becoming more accepting of Homosexuality.
That's why(at the risk of being called racist) more underdeveloped and religious countries like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are stoning people for being gay, and why the Westborough Baptist Church is...well...a church.
So once again, you don't need to think it isn't wrong for the universe to not think it's wrong. The universe also doesn't like casual sex either, hence STDs.
Oh, and the whole "You hate gays, you must be gay yourself!" thing isn't true, just a movie trope burned into the consciousness of the masses. The only real "test" that I know of that proved such a thing probably didn't even happen.
And what, exactly, makes you think that?
A couple things I want to point out. Homosexuality was made illegal by the Communist Party when it took power in China. That status was changed later on, but it is still regarded as a mental illness by healthcare providers in that country. Also, in Iran, there have been people who were executed on the charge of homosexuality, but many human rights groups allege that a good number of those people were targeted for political reasons.
The point I'm trying to make is that religion on its own is not a force strong enough to encourage an entire state to pass legislation banning certain behaviors, especially at the expense of the state that has to enforce those laws. For things to become law, there is almost always an underlying political motivation for it. Communist China is not a theocracy, is not ruled by religious law, but its persecution of homosexuals was a part of its policy of intimidation used to subjugate the population. The Taleban seemed to have behaved similarly when they took over Afghanistan.
Religion affects social structures and cultural attitudes, and this often passes on to politics via the behavior of individuals. But the level of state-sponsored persecution you're talking about here is an entirely different entity. It's ideology used as a weapon, and neither weaponry nor ideology is the primary goal of any state.
deepseadiva
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Did everybody skip this...? >___>
demonictoonlink
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Hating a racist, homophobic, or sexist merely because they are so is just as bad as being racist, homophobic, or sexist.
By all means, hate someone that is racist who goes around beating people of other races or going out of his way to make their lives miserable. But just the act of not liking another race? That's a mentality he's allowed to have, however misguided. Deciding to hate him merely for this mentality is the same thing, isn't it? Racists, sexists, and homophobes can all be excellent people that contribute to society in a meaningful way. Deciding that any of those traits means instant hatred from you is misguided at best, and hateful at worst.
By all means, hate someone that is racist who goes around beating people of other races or going out of his way to make their lives miserable. But just the act of not liking another race? That's a mentality he's allowed to have, however misguided. Deciding to hate him merely for this mentality is the same thing, isn't it? Racists, sexists, and homophobes can all be excellent people that contribute to society in a meaningful way. Deciding that any of those traits means instant hatred from you is misguided at best, and hateful at worst.
Nixernator
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Overswarm won the thread.
Also I have nothing against Homophobes to the definition of the word, if they're scared of gay people theres nothing wrong.
People who go around beating up gays, yes I have a problem with its not fair to hurt someone for something out of their control.
Also I have nothing against Homophobes to the definition of the word, if they're scared of gay people theres nothing wrong.
People who go around beating up gays, yes I have a problem with its not fair to hurt someone for something out of their control.
DoH
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Heterosexist is a much better term.
Huh.
Well, life is short, and I don't have time to waste on people who don't like a group that I am a part of.
That doesn't make me better than him. It just means that, like him, I have priorities, and he isn't one of them. He's not entitled to my respect just because he makes contributions to society. I would think that I set the standards for what I respect, the same as he and anyone else.
mountain_tiger
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Er... didn't I say all this in the opening post already?
Oh, and Teran, sorry about earlier. I just don't like stereotypes in case another person takes it the wrong way and ends up thinking it's OK to beat them up or whatever. I should probably lighten up a bit.
Smith
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This is so true, man.
A New England Winter
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gay people are cool though, they're all...gay and stuff :3
plus, lesbians <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
I'm biased, I'm half gay, but still, they're coolz :D
plus, lesbians <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
I'm biased, I'm half gay, but still, they're coolz :D
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poekmon
lol @ half gay
How does that even work? You are either sexually attracted to guys or not.
How does that even work? You are either sexually attracted to guys or not.
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Half gay leaves the other half straight..
= Bi.
Although I doubt that's what he meant.
Edit: Also, it seems that the posts just send themselves when they want to.. o_O
Edit2: Oh and, homophobia is not cool.
...Well, I wouldn't know, as I haven't met any gays irl (or just don't know if I have.)
But yeah, as long as they don't come hitting on me (serious), I have nothing against them.
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Well, imagine the lesbian woman, a woman not attracted to men at all, being hit on by you. Isn't that just as wrong?
Homophobia is correct because a common emotion for fear is to show anger and hatred. The fear part of homophobia is that the hater can become gay, so they revoke any idea of any homosexual contact or rights.
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Meh, I don't buy that people against homosexuality subconsciously hate it for not reproducing.
I mean, STDs aren't man-made, so that's what's in the world. For that matter, you could say that the universe hates life since there are so many diseases, illnesses, and creatures that can end it. That has nothing to do with people themselves that are against homosexuality, so I'm not sure why you brought that up as a counter to my argument.
I will admit that there was a point in time where I was against homosexuality (or at least gay marriage), and I had my own reasons for it. I can guarantee you it had nothing to do with them not reproducing. The thought didn't even occur to me.
Yeah, I actually didn't pull that one out of my butt, I had a specific experiment in mind when I said that.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
[In case you're interested, the percent of men in the homophobic group that showed a response was 80%.]
Fatmanonice
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I hate the term homophobia because most people who are "homophobic" aren't afraid of gay people, they just hate them. No, I do not believe that prejudice stems only out of fear. As a former racist, it can come out of a lot of bad experiences with a particular group or just sheer annoyance when certain stereotypes are seen on a regular basis. If anything, I believe that calling people homophobic because they don't want to be hit on by gay people is PCGW (Political Correctness Gone Wild). It's like with straight people, there are just some people who the thought of them trying to make advances on you makes your stomach do somersaults. It's also like how I don't want to covert to Catholicism but does that mean I hate Catholics?
It's also like how I don't want to covert to Catholicism but does that mean I hate Catholics?
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I don't think Catholicism is a proper comparison to homosexuality. Homosexuality is condemned by many, many people; loved ones may even disown you over it. Some people believe it is a sin to be gay. And if you're married, no one wants to have to get a divorce.
Whereas it's quite easy to hide beliefs from loved ones and most won't care enough to disown you. If you convert to Catholicism you clearly don't agree with other religions that say it is a sin to believe something else or whatever. And, religion doesn't generally matter in marriage that much.
I'm not defending people that hate gays, but I think that isn't a made-up fear.
Whereas it's quite easy to hide beliefs from loved ones and most won't care enough to disown you. If you convert to Catholicism you clearly don't agree with other religions that say it is a sin to believe something else or whatever. And, religion doesn't generally matter in marriage that much.
I'm not defending people that hate gays, but I think that isn't a made-up fear.
Apollo$
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I don't mind gay people at all, they are fun to hang around with and talk to. I'm still a closet case so I keep it to myself. <3
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I really like how you think. Best post Ive read so far.
Also, Tiger isnt talking about people who hate homosexuality. Hes talking about the people who go out of their way to make someone with a homosexual lifestyle's life miserable by physical/mental abuse. Disagreeing and hating is a personal feeling and view, which should be repected, but they take it too far by constant reminders of the hate or direct abuse of a person that is gay, then there is a huge problem. I personally hate some of the thoughts and beliefs of the Christain religion. But, it is their belief and have a different view of religion, so Im not going to start bashing their religion, physically hurting people with a Christain family, or anything like that. I just disagree and choose not to follow that belief. They have every right to how they live their life as long as it doesnt interfere with someone elses in a negative way. Homosexuality does not do that, Homophobia internally does not do that, but Homophobia to the extent of abuse does do that, and therefore I think it is wrong and uncalled for. My 2 cents, I like this blog Tiger.
Fatmanonice
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Oh no, it's a huge deal depending on what the religion is and what your cultural background is. For example, if you're Catholic and you marry a Lutheran there pretty much won't be a moment of peace in your household for the rest of your life. Some people find a way around it but many times it does become a huge problem.
Also, I have seen people who have been disowned by their families by being a different religion or even hanging out with people from a different religion. This isn't seen as much in, say, the States and Canada but it's very, very common in places like the Middle East, China, and India.
Also, I agree, homophobia is real but way too many people are labeled as being such like if they feel uncomfortable around gay people making out or something. I feel uncomfortable when fat women wear bikinis but that doesn't mean I condemn them for it.
orange/xd
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People are scared of things different from them. Homophobia is no less prejudiced than racism or sexism. Often, I hear kids calling people "***s", talking about how homosexuals are obsessed with fashion, their appearance. How if they see you, they're instantly gonna hit on you. How all gays wish they were female and enjoy dressing as the opposite sex. People can't accept the fact that there is nothing wrong about attraction to the same sex.
REL38
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I remember writing an essay concerning why being gay isn't wrong. I showed it to some deacans I knew and let me tell you, they were not happy with my shinanigans.
Here's a part I wrote: (it's actually kinda relevant to the OP)
"The Apostle Paul says they should treat one another as how the Jewish laws say on the tablets of stone. Paul ends up restating some of what is written in these documents; don’t kill one another, don’t cheat on your spouse, don’t steal. He goes on with what shouldn’t be done; idoltery, whoremongering, prejury. In the original Greek, the words malokois and arsenokoitai. The word malokois most closely translates to ‘effeminate call boys’ or also translated to ‘male prostitutes’. The word arsenokoitai has yet to be translated from the fact that Greek scholars don’t know what it means. Scholars have related this word with ‘effeminate call boys’ as another name for them. But in the year of 1958, a Greek translater took it upon himself to rename both these words as ‘homosexuals’ even though there is no such word in the Greek or Hebrew language. This word proceeded to replace both these words in English-language Bibles. As a result of this, people have been using the two verses of 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10 as evidence that homosexuality is sin."
To the OP, people see homosexuality as wrong because it's usually the older generation spreading the word that it's "wrong". Kids learn from their parents so that's usually where they get it from.
As far as people outlawing gay marriage, I say screw them.
The law shouldn't prevent people who love each other from marrying. That's their decision. Let them do what they want.
Here's a part I wrote: (it's actually kinda relevant to the OP)
"The Apostle Paul says they should treat one another as how the Jewish laws say on the tablets of stone. Paul ends up restating some of what is written in these documents; don’t kill one another, don’t cheat on your spouse, don’t steal. He goes on with what shouldn’t be done; idoltery, whoremongering, prejury. In the original Greek, the words malokois and arsenokoitai. The word malokois most closely translates to ‘effeminate call boys’ or also translated to ‘male prostitutes’. The word arsenokoitai has yet to be translated from the fact that Greek scholars don’t know what it means. Scholars have related this word with ‘effeminate call boys’ as another name for them. But in the year of 1958, a Greek translater took it upon himself to rename both these words as ‘homosexuals’ even though there is no such word in the Greek or Hebrew language. This word proceeded to replace both these words in English-language Bibles. As a result of this, people have been using the two verses of 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10 as evidence that homosexuality is sin."
To the OP, people see homosexuality as wrong because it's usually the older generation spreading the word that it's "wrong". Kids learn from their parents so that's usually where they get it from.
As far as people outlawing gay marriage, I say screw them.
The law shouldn't prevent people who love each other from marrying. That's their decision. Let them do what they want.
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My mother is Catholic and my father is Baptist. The only tension is between my father's extended family and my mother because they're VERY religious and VERY close-minded and bigoted.
It's only a big deal if you care that much about other people's beliefs.
Besides. Religion is hardly comparable to sexual orientation when it comes to what might break up a marriage. If you are suddenly attracted to the opposite sex, and likely not your spouse, that would be far more of a problem than having different beliefs about God and the afterlife.
I am aware of this. And I said MOST won't care enough to disown you, and it's easier to hide your beliefs than your sexual orientation. Because you can pretty easily lie about your beliefs and just never even talk about them (I know, as none of the people I know in real life know what I actually believe because I tend to not talk about it and when it does come up I talk as little as possible, etc.) while you basically have to never date at all or keep said dates a secret if you want to hide your sexual orientation, and hiding a relationship, especially if it gets serious enough, is NOT easy.
...Didn't I just spend my entire previous post saying that homosexuality is different about being uncomfortable/nervous about being around people that are homosexuals being different from just people who believe something or even worse, just a fat person in a bikini? That's like, exactly how you ended your last post and that's exactly what my last post was addressing...I feel uncomfortable when fat women wear bikinis but that doesn't mean I condemn them for it.
I'm not defending homophobics, I'm not saying it isn't irrational, but I don't think people are pulling it out of their butts.
illinialex24
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In Poland a teletubby had to get psychoanalyzed to figure out if it was gay or not because Poland hates gays. I kid you not.
Falconv1.0
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I just died inside while laughing uncontrollably.
zeldspazz
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I guess they are banning teletubbies....if I remember correctly through extensive research they were found to indeed be gay. >_>
Funniest thing Ive ever read in my life
illinialex24
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zeldspazz
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I stand corrected O_O the internet lies to me
illinialex24
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I don't get how though. He carries a purse and is purple lol.
Scidadle
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Gay people are cool in my book.
Peaceful, nice, sounds good to me.
Peaceful, nice, sounds good to me.
9Kplus1
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Fearing anything the same? Yep, I got that, plenty of that.
The very thought of two beings of the same gender together, as partners, ****s my mind over. I mean, I'm okay with you guys, I just fear the traits that people exaggerate about you .
The only gay I really hate is my older brother (sue me, I hate my *** of a brother), but not for being gay. He's just an ******* who thinks that he's tough, but runs away when he comes to an impasse. Then, he'll burn bridges in ever direction possible and thinks that he'll get respect for it eventually >_>. That's the reason he moved out at the age of 22. Oh, and he's a ***, too.
The very thought of two beings of the same gender together, as partners, ****s my mind over. I mean, I'm okay with you guys, I just fear the traits that people exaggerate about you .
The only gay I really hate is my older brother (sue me, I hate my *** of a brother), but not for being gay. He's just an ******* who thinks that he's tough, but runs away when he comes to an impasse. Then, he'll burn bridges in ever direction possible and thinks that he'll get respect for it eventually >_>. That's the reason he moved out at the age of 22. Oh, and he's a ***, too.
So, you were kind of vague. How do you feel about your brother, exactly? :embarrass
Btw, it's fine to be disgusted about homosexuality, so long as you can still respect a person's sexuality without telling them that they're freaks or they'll go to hell or some stupid **** like that.
EDIT: Lol, I don't know if you realized that I was being sarcastic based on how you reacted to my post.
9Kplus1
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The mere thought of him gives me a murderous vibe, no joke.
All of my muscles tense up, and my mind is filled with nothing other than rage.
Sarcasm ftw? Hatred doesn't go any deeper than:
ell oh ell
hiROI
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Whenever I ask homophobes why is being gay a "sin" or "abnormal", they stick to their religion. :/
I'm not against religion, but I want some realistic facts, not spiritual
I'm not against religion, but I want some realistic facts, not spiritual
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People being gay is fine with me by all means, but there comes a point (just like non-gay relationships) where I just can't take it anymore. These 2 chicks were in the same row as me on a plane, and all they did was make out, and make crude sex jokes. That was the longest flight EVER. Summarized: I don't mind gay people, but don't ****ing be disgusting.
Well that's just being crude and inconsiderate. Straight people do that too.
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