So then, Werekill. Or as I'm going to refer to him here, Captain Crybaby. I think he is scum. It is rare that I get a read this strong. Usually I am just piecing together what I analyze and then acting upon it.
When I do get a read like this, it has to come from a few things. Actions that jump off the page in a manner I really don't like. But, also, the person has to be someone who I find to be very poor at subterfuge -- poor to the point that they cannot perform it, but also poor to the point that I can actually detect it in what they are saying and doing. Meta also tends to be a big factor in these reads.
Captain Crybaby tics off all the boxes. Let me show you how.
Meta Background:
In Bebop I was town with Werekill. Werekill was the cop. He was just as emotional in how he
thinks. However, he was
not as reliant on emotion in his
actions. Werekill made a constant and visible effort to stay logical, even when he was failing. It was the hardest read to wrangle and hold onto in my life, but I managed to keep him as dumb-and-new-town all the way through the game.
There is also some minor influence from UTrick'd. I didn't read very much of it, but I talked to G Life a lot as the game went on, about the various happenings. He was very distraught with how obvscum he felt Werekill was being and the fact that he was johning and emo-ing his way out of scrutiny he had earned. G Life can confirm this, whenever the hell he shows up. Often he'd show me posts Werekill was making. I could see the same distinctions I see here.
This is about all you really need to know right at the get-go. The rest I'll point out as it becomes relevant.
Initial Pressure:
So, Werekill comes into the game. Setting the stage, we have Xonar/Jimbo and a few other minor tangents I believe.
Here's Captain Crybaby's first post.
First line: Fair enough. That is to say, I immediately felt that WK has played enough games (I'm not sure if WK was town in any non-Bebop games, but Bebop was a long ****ing game with a lot of powerhouse players present) to recognize a gambit-pressure play. But, whatever. Werekill also isn't good at mafia, and he didn't try to draw some faulty, stupid conclusion from it. I
cocked an eyebrow at it but moved on without letting it sway me.
The rest of it before the quote, though, is Werekill first considered purchasing a ferry ticket to Hell and left me wanting to help him pack.
Short of expressing just how ****ing aghast his awful post had left me, here's the important part of my reply for here:
So he's setting you up for a quick ML by telling you the ONE THING that would cause you to become in his sights at this time? Which is what you think he'd base the ML ON?
There's part of it I left out, though, as this was a real cog in the early scumvibe I was getting. He is outright accusing Xonar, very flatly, of trying to set him up in advance. And yet, he's being polite with Xonar at the same time, expressing that he just "wants clarification". These two sentiments are black and ****ing white.
Look at the excerpt by itself.
Captain Crybaby said:
I don't like being set up from the very beginning to fall, and I'd appreciate clarification.
I said nothing at the time because I knew damn well he'd just say he wanted clarification because it's what he was WORRIED about, but he wasn't NECESSARILY getting that vibe from Zonie. And I wanted WK to continue on thinking harping that Zonie was setting him up the bomb was a viable avenue and that he'd just have to do better at pursuing it, because if he did so, I really felt he would be scum.
Then there's the meta comparison. Very very early on in Bebop, Werekill was targeted by Virg, who felt he was playing like a bit of a spaz. He didn't like this. Didn't like the way WK was conducting himself, the nature of the questions he asked. So, Virg FoS'd 'im.
And you know what? Werekill didn't poop his pants and start slinging it everywhere. He was a bit emo and whinging about it, sure, but he kept his cool.
Even as he was OMGUSing Virg. Werekill questioned Virg. Asked him questions. No drastic assumptions were made.
I could very visibly feel that he was trying to stay objective, but trying to investigate his aggressor to determine his alignment.
I recall that it was only later on, when asked for picks, that Werekill listed Virg. OMGUS, yes. Temper tantrum panicky bull****? Nah.
I've explained that I've seen town-Werekill be much better than this. Still bad, but much better. There's another point of importance, though. Werekill played with a self-preservational style (one of the things that put Virg onto him) in Bebop. But you know what the difference between that and here?
Werekill was completely transparent about it. And I mean transparent in the governmental oversight way, not transparent like he tried and failed to hide it. His own *** was of great concern to him. So much so that anyone with a narrowed eye at him was going to draw scrutiny. Werekill NEVER tried to hide this fact --
in this game he's trying to disguise it as scumhunting. In this game he IS trying -- and failing -- to hide it. And you can already see it in this first post, where he spends the bulk of it pressing Xonar for selfish concerns and seems
very worried about the possibility of being called on future actions.
The best part is
that was his reaction to ACTUAL ****ing pressure. Someone ACTUALLY making an accusation. Look at the **** he did here! He took a single comment out of a post from like pages back and blew it the **** up, despite having no actual, concrete scummy accusations to make alongside it. Night and ****ing day.
But it was early yet. Werekill hadn't gone into full tantrum mode. So I only pressed on him. I wanted to do something that would make town-Werekill, as I had played with him, start to reconsider his actions and Werekill as I had seen in my smatterings of UTrick'd start to panic. Remember that my post was ninja'd by numerous other posts (including more Werekill posts) because the thread had activated its faster-like-the-speed-of-sound drive.
I saw an opportunity in Werekill's post to, I felt, truly exit RVS. My first post was the beginning of that.
In the interest of cutting down the size of this post somewhat I'm just going to point to moments where I feel Werekill did things that conflict with my town-Werekill experience without elaborating, since it'd just be almost identical. I'll only elaborate when I'm drawing new points.
Captain Crybaby Gets Worse At The Speed of Ninja:
Werekill conflates "being defensive" with "defending yourself. Being the type of player he is, Werekill damn well knows the difference.
Possible fishing for his current YOU JUST WANT CART BLANCHE ON LYNCHING NOOBS schtick re: Xonar.
^I admit this is more one of those "I want the flip so I can look at this" moments. If WK is scum I really think he was fishing for ammunition to aid his current (idiotic) accusations. If Werekill is town, well, this is one of the few posts/
sentences he wrote that I can see fitting the mold -- Werekill as town gets astronomically more defensive than usual to Xonar about the noob thing, thinks he could be pushing Jimbo on just that, etc etc.
The That TEARS It Moment:
Here's Werekill's next post.
^This is another big anti-Bebop thing, and also something that fit well with what I read of UTrick'd. He makes a lot of accusations about people discarding what he has to say unfairly, when that's just not what's happening. In Bebop, you surely aren't surprised to hear that with players like frozenflame, myself, Virg and other ancients running around, Werekill got tossed aside on his actions quite a bit. "Eh, that's dumb, not seein it" and so on.
But you know what? Werekill DEALT WITH IT. It took him a VERY long time to get to a point where he showed active frustration in the thread. Oh, and that was
when he was a cop with a guilty trying to lynch someone while we lynched someone else. What's this, EE? The one time Werekill got irrational and whiny about his opinions being cast aside
he actually had an understandable reason to do it? Well, ****.
Meanwhile I vividly remember him keeping this excuse to whine on-hand in UTrick'd. Hey, it beats the **** out of considering why people might think your say-so ain't all that, right?
Nobody should be mixing Werekill up with Nich. Nich can slip into some very bad play when people target him and when people don't listen to him, but you know what? Town Werekill really ISN'T all that bad for that. The PMS mentality just makes it look that way, but going deeper you can see the division.
Rest of the post is eh. It doesn't really jump out as scummy and didn't then, though once again he's continuing with that "WAIT HE GOT ON YOU FOR BEING NOOB????
WHERE SHOWMENOW!!" thang. But this is stuff that I could at least see Werekill doing as town.
So I looked at all this and I asked the obvious question -- is this guy literally ****ting me out of his ***? I feel confident, now, that he was in fact doing just that. All the major points I'm bringing up right now were EXPLODING in my brain at the time. And so, I dropped my vote.
But, hell,
I gave him a shot. I knew after Bebop I've earned Werekill's respect, and seen it in subtle sucking up over the days. I knew that even in his worst PMS mood Werekill would pay attention to what I have to say. So I dropped him a life jacket tied to a string. I had to leave uni to get home here. Werekill had plenty of time to show me what he's trying to do.
Captain Crybaby Writhes Around While EE is Flexing His Muscles on the Bus for Dollars:
First post after I started on him. More conflation of being defensive/defending yourself.
Juicy part is his reply to my initial "wtf is this I don't even" post.
Werekill said:
Let me clarify.
I'm worried that he'll pull some stuff out of his *** like saying "Oh, you don't know that's a role? Really? Stop pulling the noob card before we lynch you."
There's already a negative connotation between me and anyone saying I'm using the noob card, so if he said that, I would look worse in general. I just want clarification on his intent, that's all.
I could almost -- ALMOST -- see this as town. I really can. He's worried about being set up the bomb and he's trying to inquire to find which way the wind is blowing. Okay. If his earlier post had been less terrible, I might have accepted this explanation.
But once again, that just
isn't the vibe he's giving off. His reaction to Virg's pressure in Bebop was so fluid, the OMGUS that developed was slow and considered. Instead he is making wild accusations and then mitigating it in the same breath by saying he just wants clarification.
There's also the incredibly obvious fact that playing the ****ing noob card and doing noob things are NOT THE ****ING SAME, and he KNOWS this. He knows this because all through Bebop, he played the noob card. You know what he said in postgame? That it was all part of his master plan. That he was FALSELY PLAYING THE NOOB CARD.
He knows EXACTLY what the noob card is and what it ientails, and he damn well knows the difference between that and just BEING a noob.
And then he brushes off my assertion that he is, most certainly, ****ting me, and that he should make an effort to not be ****ting me and show me what he's doing. The answer: Looking out for his own ***.
There's also the fact that
For what? Asking for clarification of intent so that I don't do something stupid?
Is completely different from what he was doing initially re: Zonie, even if you are assuming a hypothetical town-Werekill. He was accusing Zonie of trying to set himself up to misconstrue stuff WK does later and push his ML. This was not a mere clarification of intent. It was an accusation. But also he tries to mitigate it. And then revise what he was allegedly doing here, in this post.
Town-WK had transparency and fluidity in his thought processes. He didn't have mixed signals, which slither all over everything he does here.
The pressure begins, with Laundry casting a vote.
Here's Captain Crybaby's next post.
^He continues to try to harp the clarification john. At this point he has completely abandoned his initial accusation, despite that he should ostensibly have more reason than ever to uphold it if he got that much out of an old, offhand comment. Not feelin' it.
But even Werekill can see that his defence isn't getting him anywhere. He's played enough mafia to know that people expect some content. So he haphazardly FoS's Jimbo for a godawful reason.
Look at it. It's clear he just looked for an excuse to throw dirt on the other person taking heat, finagled out an alleged observation, and did it up. I see no sincerity in this point. Just another very marked attempt to hide the fact that self-preservation is #1.
Some of this post is alright.
^But there are issues yet. Werekill continues to defuse his earlier accusations on Zonie, Downplays things as having been concerned about out of game stuff (something he didn't do in Bebop). I think this is him appealing for clemency on his earlier actions because the pressure is continuing (more people have commented, nobody likes his play, and he's now at L-3) and his earlier explanations aren't working.
Playstyle comment is truth. Some of his responses to Soup are fair, like his reply to supposedly "getting at" me (he didn't do that). Kinda wish Soup had gone over his accusations more carefully as it does bother me to see anything remotely agreeable from Werekill, but whatever.
However there's this part, re: getting at Jimbo, which Soup reasons is strange given that Xonar is also on Jimbo, and the thing WK cited in Jimbo's play was him talking about Xonar. Kind of confusing, but I see what Soup asked the question. It was a good question. The answer was not.
And oh, I FoS'd the guy who is against the guy who I just wanted to clarify intent behind something before I moved on? In case you haven't noticed, I don't have a problem with him other than that one bit that is basically cleared up now after he answers one more bit.
In this and also his answer to "getting at" Xonar, Werekill makes the fact clear and undeniable that he's trying to recant his accusation on Xonar from earlier. And yet, he recants it by trying to pave over everything and pretend he was never trying to make an accusation to begin with. I think we can all agree that this is bull****, and the beauty is that in Bebop he would
readily and willingly 'fess up when he did shifty **** and got called on it, like OMGUSing, making irrational pushes, and so on. But, no. Werekill sticks to his guns. He wants to have his cake and eat it too.
And on it goes...:
I only want to highlight one part of WK's
next post.
He continues to stick to his guns on the Xonar recantation but this is the part I want y'all to see:
And yeah, I'm making it a priority for now because, you know, I'm at L-3. As previously stated, I'm still reading up and trying to figure out my opinions anyway.
This is Werekill continuing to try to obfuscate the fact that his concern is self-preservational. A very vivid one, too. He gets called out on it by Gorf, and because it has been pointed out, Werekill puts on his best poker face, acknowledges it (sort of... it's "a priority), and then quickly adds that he's "trying to figure out [his] opinions". In the same situation, Bebop Werekill would be straight up about defending his position when put in the pocket, and I believe that took place at one point as well. He wouldn't try to glaze it with things like HEY MAN I'M STILL WORKIN ON IT. If all he has is self-defence (which is the case), he admits it. If he actually has other **** to say, he says it while defending himself. This is right in between and does nothing but, you guessed it, defend himself.
So Soup has voted WK.
In his next post, Captain Crybaby continues to strawman the point that he is being overly defensive about literally everything. I hate to admit it, but I can see this from town-Werekill, at least. He may understand the difference between being defensive and defending yourself, but I do believe that his ego would cause him to refuse to accept this particular point, because it's an affront to his emotional play (and therefore, his emotions/self) and not, as he sees it, his play. So, sure. This is a second thought.
But then, of course, in the same post he cites his other ****ing scum game as his alibi for his emotional behavior. Wart. Dumb-or-scum, that one, but after all I've seen and pointed out I still don't like it.
There's also the fact that by this point Werekill has PLENTY of time to pull back the emo bull**** and reach lucidity, which I'd have expected ages ago in Bebop if not by now, and which still hasn't ****in' happened.
And then
he replaced out.
Emotionality as Manipulative vs Bare Emotionality:
This is where it becomes alllllll about the emo and play just disappears almost entirely. So let me tell you some more about Werekill's meta, as this section is probably better off dealt with summarily than on a post by post nature (plus I'm on the verge of late for work right now, heh).
So to give you perspective, and help y'all see
mine, I'm going to talk about Bebop some more. But, specifically, the WORST WEREKILL GOT in Bebop. I mentioned before how the point where Werekill started playing the whiny "wah you won't listen to me your jerks f u" card came when we were lynching someone that wasn't his personal pick. This is ALSO the point where his play became truly, unbearably whiny and AtE-ridden.
And you know what it culminated in? When frozenflame the SK got hammered over WK's cop-guilty-Circus, he threatened to post his role PM and modkill himself. His reaction to his whiny emo "everyone in the world is against me" scenario went in the completely opposite direction of here. In that game he was sincerely frustrated and spiteful, and the abrupt and jerk
a***** move he wanted to make went AGAINST his wincon. And once again, it was a very slow deterioration that got him to this point, and
almost understandable.
Compare that to here. He quickly started focusing on asinine bull****, and having started the game on the verge of eruption, promptly did so. And got worse. There's no fluidity. This didn't DEVELOP. It just HAPPENED. This is because Werekill is not a clever person, and so he thinks scumhunting as scum is about being petty and finding some ****** minutia to focus on. But his instincts, his self-preservation, all these things betrayed him. His eruption here is completely different from Bebop. And yet... it's similar to UTrick'd. Almost identical in some ways, including requesting replacement. Well ain't that a thing?
As scum in UTrick'd, he threatened to replace out. That was a manipulative move using his emotionality as a teflon shield to ADVANCE his wincon. In this game, if Werekill is scum, can you really see much of a difference? He *****es and moans, and when he realizes that that is his entire bag of tricks and isn't working, he leaves. If a better player takes his place -- which would be the case -- he has advanced the wincon. I think Werekill is replacing out for the simple reason that his death would harm his faction igreatly (not the case as town).
In Bebop, as town, he VERY slowly deteriorated to the point he reached quickly in this game (and in UTrick'd), and when it came down to it, his spiteful whiny emo reaction was to threaten to modkill himself. Something that would HARM his faction. Therein lies the sincerity of the frustration.
That isn't to say there isn't ANY sincere frustration here. But I think the root of it, the root of Werekill's actions, is the fact that he is scum and can't handle the spotlight, hates the feeling of being in it, while scum. As town he still plays badly, but it is NOTHING LIKE THIS.
All of Werekill's emo actions, from requesting replacement on, help his faction if he is mafia. I've been over the replacement. What have we done since then? Talk amongst ourselves about a few things, one of those things being what we want to do with the replacement. AND whether we're willing to lynch said replacement for WK's behavior. And oh hey, here's Werekill. He just has this driving need to continue posting and continue defending himself in the interim. Posting in this mafia game, mafia being what he hates oh so much and never wants to do again.
This post is a good example. Despite being like RIGHT AFTER he requested replacement, he comes in and throws up this acidic, whiny, tear-crusted vitriol. And look at what it does. LOOK AT WHAT IT DOES. It DEFENDS HIS ACTIONS SOME MORE. It whines and AtE's and tries to manipulate you into thinking you're just an evil boorish troll trampling all over everything he does, even though Captain Crybaby is doing things that, in his own words, "[aren't] scummy, as shown by (reasonable argument here)."
What a jerk you are, guy! And man, there's a replacement on the horizon, too! Well, ****. Maybe we should give 'em a pass! I mean, we were being SUCH JERKS before. And now Werekill's gone!
**** that ****. I don't like it. I don't buy it.
And so on. The problem is extremely worsened when you have a "leader" like Gorf in U'Trickd who everyone goes along with without providing much reasoning. His reasons might be faulty, but once a wagon gets going, you might as well get ready to die.
That excerpt is particularly hilarious because Gorf nailed him to the ****ing
WALL in that game and his reasons were solid.
Everything Werekill is doing is structured to make us feel bad about and second-guess the idea that he should be the lynch. Everything is self-preservational. Every self-preservational action is MADE TO LOOK LIKE IT ISN'T. In this case, a diatribe of bull**** about how mafia is supposedly played. Which it of course isn't, but that's neither here nor there.
Meanwhile he pulls out all the stops. He shoots Ryker a PM. Contacts me on AIM. This **** is manipulative! Disgustingly so, and although he cheated in Bebop, he never did THIS in the game. He never used his emotional nature and AtE to manipulate. It just
happened.
This post shows his intention to talk to me about Bebop. Frankly I think he's full of ****. I think he was going to go on his merry way talking about THIS game but he'd just dance around telling me his alignment and assume that that makes it okay. And he would, of course, defend his play. But hell, even if he's telling the truth, he wants to talk to me about Bebop. Y'know, that ONE TOWN GAME HE PLAYED THAT I PLAYED. Which is obviously going to inform how I see him as a TOWNIE. And he wants to talk about that! Huh, well isn't that a curiosity! He'd certainly have plenty of opportunities to try to manipulate me in the conversation, and I feel he WOULD have. And remember, Werekill v Circus was TvS. That was OBVIOUSLY going to factor into the conversation.
It's manipulation. That's all it is.
And you know what the best part was? Werekill, who has SURELY quit mafia forever by now, felt COMPELLED to post because I called him out for contacting me in the thread. My intention was definitely to incriminate him in the process, because I thought it smelled like ****. I think Werekill got particularly defensive here and thus felt a need to reply. Guilty conscience and all that.
There's a smattering of other terrible post-quittin'time posts from Werekill, but I think you get the idea. His play has grinded, CONSTANTLY, against the mentality I have profiled for Werekill-town. By being able to punch through what he does with emotionality as either alignment, you're also given more than enough non-meta scummy behavior to merit his lynch.
So in the words of the great Samuel L. Jackson, yes, he deserves to die, and I hope he burns in hell.
