[Guide] The Complete Guide to Zero Suit Samus

[Nefarious B]

probly has to do with walls lol. might as well tell us, it's not like ZSS is in any danger of becoming overpowered anytime soon

 

[solecalibur]

Dont ppl always camp on the phase of the stage with a wall? lol
and that image is funny as hell , it looks like that main character from gears of war but texture hack'd diddy kong ftilt XD

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

It's probably the smashville platform.

 

[Dumbfire]

lol That stuff is so awesome if you can pull it off but it sucks anyway.

 

[GimR]

It's just a theory right now so I'm not gonna say anything

 

[Dakpo]

what is this all about?
Warning! The last reply to this thread was posted over a month ago. Please make sure you are not unnecessarily bumping this thread before replying.

 

[Zero]

It's an automatic warning to discourage people from necroing.

 

[Luxor]

It didn't work so well.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I was bored and I checked the flags on ZSS's D-smash.

Everyone knows you can Bucket or PSI Magnet it. What is lesser known is that reflectors have no effect on it.

Just thought I would point that out. The classic assumption about absorbable moves is that they are projectiles, since until now, there has never been an exception.

 

[Nefarious B]

I was bored and I checked the flags on ZSS's D-smash.

Everyone knows you can Bucket or PSI Magnet it. What is lesser known is that reflectors have no effect on it.

Just thought I would point that out. The classic assumption about absorbable moves is that they are projectiles, since until now, there has never been an exception.

Lucario's side b

 

[Zero]

Pikachu's Thunder body hitbox.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Lucario's side b

Lucario's SideB is reflectable.

Pikachu's Thunder body hitbox.

Pikachu's Thunder body hitbox is not a special offensive collision. Thus it does not have the flags that call for absorbability or reflectabilty. The actual Thunderbolt projectile however is both reflectable and absorbable.

This is entirely different from ZSS's D-smash which is absorbable, but non-reflectable. So if you see someone foolish enough to spam a reflector in hopes of blocking your D-smash, you don't have to worry about it.

 

[Zero]

We've known that forever. >.>

 

[A2ZOMG]

Still should be mentioned in the guide somewhere. =/

 

[Nefarious B]

It's more important for the suitpiece metagame honestly. Not so much Falco's reflector but against Wolf and Fox downthrow glide toss in is an easy dsmash lock if they try to reflect the piece, which makes the reflector pretty much a non factor against the pieces

 

[Dakpo]

It's more important for the suitpiece metagame honestly. Not so much Falco's reflector but against Wolf and Fox downthrow glide toss in is an easy dsmash lock if they try to reflect the piece, which makes the reflector pretty much a non factor against the pieces

I can't agree with that. Prediction on falco for that is a tad difficult. Even if you down glide toss there is still a chance the zss her self will get hit with falco's reflector. And wolf and fox dont have enough lag on it to really be trapped especially if they are in the air

 

[Nefarious B]

I can't agree with that. Prediction on falco for that is a tad difficult. Even if you down glide toss there is still a chance the zss her self will get hit with falco's reflector.

Not so much Falco's reflector

And wolf and fox dont have enough lag on it to really be trapped especially if they are in the air

Being in the air against the pieces is asking to get ***** because the movement we gain from glidetoss allows us to setup powerful landing traps. I thought it was assumed they would be on the ground since shield is by far the best tool against the pieces. In which case, yes if they predict a forward glidetoss and reflector while you downward glidetoss at them, you will get a dsmash.

 

[Dakpo]

lol what fox and wolf do you play who give enough time to do that? Maybe my friends are jsut too used to my antics D:

 

[Dakpo]

Double Post!
Are there less invincibility frames when you tether and pull you self to the edge, compared to when you grab it normally. I know this sounds like a weird question, but I honestly feel the difference. (especially against diddy's barrel)

 

[Nefarious B]

Choice, Trevonte, AC, and TKD, duno if you've heard of them lol

And yes you get way less from tethering instantly, although I believe it was Nick who discovered a while back that if you hang for a little bit and then pull in, you get normal invincibility but can still drop off the ledge faster like tethers normally do. So you can do fully invincible aerials apparently

 

[Dakpo]

Choice, Trevonte, AC, and TKD, duno if you've heard of them lol

I'm impressed, I thought TKD would have better sense and reaction time than to get caught with something like that, oh well.
-And also thanks! i knew something was weird when i tethered.

Edit: yea i tried it my wolf/falco friend yesterday and it totally worked XD

 

[infiniteV115]

When talking about her bair, you say "It's arguably ZSS' best kill attack."
Then when talking about her downB kick, you say "This is ZSS' strongest killing move."

Did you intentionally use the word "best" for bair and "strongest" for downB, because downB is stronger but far more situational? Or did you just brainfart?

Explain/edit accordingly please and otherwise great thread!

 

[Zero]

It's as you say. Best and strongest are not synonymous.

 

[infiniteV115]

Alrighty thanks. Guess I need to learn to kill with bair more often.

 

[Xyless]

I love the ftilt picture.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Actually that was an accident. Imageshack was ********.

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

I usually don't use her throws or try to thanks to it's awful lag unless I hit them with her Dsmash or the Paralyzer. I love her gimping ability and her aerials. =)

 

[PEACE7]

Can someone tell me some of the ways to recover back onto stage with zss like what are her options

 

[Zero]

1. Stand up.
2. Roll up.
3. Getup attack.
4. downB
5. second jump
6. second jump downB
7. second jump upB
8. second jump nB
9. second jump wavebounced sideB
10. walljump

Keep in mind your getup attack greater than 100% has a massive disjoint. Always keep your opponent's spacing and action in mind when recovering. If they're standing there charging a smash attack, second jump downB kick will always beat it, yay invincibility. If they're standing far away, second jump fast fall onto the very tip of the stage is nice. Pay attention to your situation.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Does anyone want this thread? Because I no longer do!

 

[Zero]

Give it to TheZeroSuit IMO.

 

[Salin]

What a spectacular guide! So many techs I didn't know was there to her! This guide was an enlightenment. Now the hard part is applying what was learned and remembering it. xD

 

[Dakpo]

you got this XD

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

In the coming days I will be completely revisiting this guide in preparing to pass it off to TheZeroSuit, our community screen name.

Currently, it is a mess. In some cases it is completely inaccurate and does a better job at reviewing the character than explaining how some moves are used at the top level. The code is also really bad and I'll attempt to clean it up (what's left of it).

The fact is I understand ZSS a lot better now than I did when I created this guide and in a lot more technical and strategic depth. I hope to offer less opinions and more options, uses, and strategies.

If anyone has any suggestions, now is the time to express them, although once TheZeroSuit owns the guide, anyone can change it that has the character's password.

 

[Dakpo]

we should add something about B sticking to the Advanced tech. part

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

we should add something about B sticking to the Advanced tech. part

I don't really want this thread anymore, if you want you can have it... lol

 

[Dakpo]

...im good lol

 

[Dr. Tuen]

I don't really want this thread anymore, if you want you can have it... lol

If you guys want to pass the thread off to someone, I'd be willing to take it. Going though the information and formatting it would be a good way to get myself familiarized with the finer points of the character. I can work on weekends, but that's about it.

There's a post by DeLux explaining B-sticking and such in real good detail that should work great for that part of the guide too.

 

[Omit]

I still liked it though, maybe that's because im new to this character. Lol.

 

[MasterOfTheGames]

Nice tips! I play as ZSS loads so this really helped