Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[JTB]

most ap carries are too squishy or dont have some sort of escape mechanism, so if they get ganked top, its likely they are going to die. mid has the least distance between towers and its much harder to gank, so they go there

kennen is good top because he has e to escape, galio is tanky enough to escape a gank, and riven has free dashes + stun to get away

 

[SuperBowser]

i like how people consider sona op now.

i've been saying she's a free elo machine for months.

 

[DallasPhat]

i like how people consider sona op now.

i've been saying she's a free elo machine for months.

You're so good? LOL Ugh.. everyone been stating that shes the best support for quite some time now Mr. "I set the meta".

 

[ArcNatural]

I have a top lane identity crisis.
Most ppl tell me that tanky dps and tanks do top, but I also see that ap carries go top as well.
But I don't really why(?). Tried looking up top lane info/guides, but there's not much.

• Riven
• Galio
• Kennen

I hear that all 3 of those characters are good for top lane, so I'm kinda lucky that I like them (and that Galio is free this week).
But... idk why there meant for that role.

Can someone explain to me how top works and/or why those 3 chars are good for it?
I feel like a deer in the headlights regarding the subject.

Riven has two dashes and a stun and great AD scaling. Her early level burst is strong so you can balance out a lot of tanky lane matchups by being aggressive early. Starting cloth +5 pots against a lot of sustain/ad bruiser lanes to wriggles helps you stay in sustain lanes (almost always get anyway for free ward).

Galio: He's Tanky AP (like Cho/Rumble who are also common top aps). Great against other APs or against a lot of bruisers for team fights. Also has ability to fast aoe clear minion waves once you have enough MR converted to AP.

Kennen: Free Q poke, E for escape. Excellent against top laners (especially most bruisers) since he can E from all harass and get free Q/autos/W when they run back. Once he has revolver he's impossible to push out of lane as you can just Q stuff for health.

What does everyone think needs to be done about Kennen if you think he needs nerfs? I'm sort of biased because he was the first champ I really liked and I kind of feel like he's just FOTM. He isn't that great vs a lot of mids, but has found a niche for top lane as he beats most common top laners. I'm just worried that any nerfs they may do to nerf his top lane dominance will also ruin his mid lane capabilities.

 

[Turazrok]

Vayne top panth mid xerath soraka bot new meta. Calling it.

 

[Omni]

Wat. That sounds like a horrible idea.

 

[Turazrok]

Wat. That sounds like a horrible idea.

I remember when you sucked.

So shut up and stuff.

 

[Omni]

Because somehow your response overrides the fact that I think it's a horrible idea.

My point was to get an explanation as to why you think that's the new meta.

IMO, I don't think Xerath can harass and sustain with his early mana pool. They're both easily tower divable and it's a free gank if their lanes are pushed. Pre-6 Caitlin/Vayne/Ashe/Trist can just harass the **** outta' Xerath and one stun will force him to play passively. Are you suggesting Xerath because of his range/stun factor?

 

[ArcNatural]

I finally played vs Leona/Jarvan bot. Holy crap, they can dive turret EASILY at level 4.

 

[DallasPhat]

Turd err turz, is obviously trolling.

 

[SuperBowser]

You're so good? LOL Ugh.. everyone been stating that shes the best support for quite some time now Mr. "I set the meta".

Don't need to be good to say it. Though I main supports if you care.

I remember last time I posted sona was OP (I think riot nerfed her a patch or two after I said it), people disagreed. Someone thought janna was far more valuable. I just find it funny opinions on a champion can shift so drastically when very little was ever changed about them.

It's kinda like the current opinions about caitlyn and ashe.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

Can someone please help me with how I can build Volibear if I am going top.
I know that he can be built different ways, but I was wondering what the best way is to build him.
And what Runes would be best.

Please and thank you

 

[Hylian]

Ad carry damage analysis:

http://rog.clgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/5416-guest-analysis-damage-output-of-ad-carries

So much work x.x.

 

[Omni]

Don't need to be good to say it. Though I main supports if you care.

I remember last time I posted sona was OP (I think riot nerfed her a patch or two after I said it), people disagreed. Someone thought janna was far more valuable. I just find it funny opinions on a champion can shift so drastically when very little was ever changed about them.

It's kinda like the current opinions about caitlyn and ashe.

Does the FotM change depending on who is being used the most in tournaments? I may be wrong.

I saw that tier list that was linked yesterday and it seemed to be simply based off character usage in the IEM Kiev tournament. For example, Cass and Leblanc becoming Top 3 AP Mids? Were there some kind of buffs/nerfs that I missed that caused Brand, Annie, or Malzahar to fall off?

Same with Sona. I think it was pointed out that the majority of the wins in the tournament consisted of a Sona and thus... Sona has been branded the FotM Support?

 

[DMG]

I have a top lane identity crisis.
Most ppl tell me that tanky dps and tanks do top, but I also see that ap carries go top as well.
But I don't really why(?). Tried looking up top lane info/guides, but there's not much.

• Riven
• Galio
• Kennen

I hear that all 3 of those characters are good for top lane, so I'm kinda lucky that I like them (and that Galio is free this week).
But... idk why there meant for that role.

Can someone explain to me how top works and/or why those 3 chars are good for it?
I feel like a deer in the headlights regarding the subject.

Top lane:

1. Farm your butt off
2. Harass the opponent/force him away from Farm
3. Get the **** away from ganks

That's all you gotta do. As long as you accomplish at least 1-2 of these, you are set.

Don't need to be good to say it. Though I main supports if you care.

I remember last time I posted sona was OP (I think riot nerfed her a patch or two after I said it), people disagreed. Someone thought janna was far more valuable. I just find it funny opinions on a champion can shift so drastically when very little was ever changed about them.

It's kinda like the current opinions about caitlyn and ashe.

That's mostly Jpak and his love for Janna.

 

[Mogwai]

I've kinda stopped building atmas on the kids who I like to go warmogs/mallet on.
It's a gold efficient item, yeah yeah yeah, but iono about you, but I feel like I'm a lot scarier going warmogs > bf sword than armor or crit cloak (well that much is obvious, 1.6k gold item >> 700-820 one), but then grabbing an upgrade to a bf sword (bloodthirster or IE) is giving me significantly more damage, with a not much higher cost (in the BT case) and honestly not that much less tanky (it's pretty easy to have like 100-150 armor without sweating much on it). Having 3k health, 80-100 AD (compared to 50-60) with either a large chunk of life steal or boom 600 damage crits with no other damage items has been a lot more successful for me personally than otherwise. Atma's is still okay for an item slot, but I struggle to see the merit of getting it straight after your big health item.

Going a BF route also makes the green elixir a much stronger item to have on hand.

The merit's pretty damn simple. You finish the item after 2.3K gold and 700 of that gold was already spent on tanky stats. It's essentially just spending 1.6K on damage and is getting absurd stats for that value (18% crit + more AD than a BF sword in most cases). Like, sure, I'd rather have an IE than a ghostblade, but it's not fair to compare items with big cost differentials like they're completely interchangable because of how they delay the rest of your build.

 

[DallasPhat]

Mogwai so informative omg he's my favorite. Also a character doesn't need a buff to get better. Say a character that counters them become less viable or nerfed, that inadvertily makes the character a stronger pick. The reason tier lists in league changes more often than say melee or other fighting games is it consistent changes too balance champions.
With a roster of 90+ champion, when one champion get changes it affects the other 89 champions indirectly.

 

[Coney]

Ad carry damage analysis:

http://rog.clgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/5416-guest-analysis-damage-output-of-ad-carries

So much work x.x.

No Corki, didn't read.

 

[john!]

how did you know there was no corki?

 

[Omni]

I was Udyr solo-top versus a Teemo solo-top lastnight.

We lost the game but I did really well; I think. Mid/Bot fed their Jungler Shaco to 9/1 early. I outfarmed the Teemo by about 25-30 CS. At the end of the game the Teemo was like, "So owned my lane." and I'm like, "Wtf? I out CS'd you and we got first dragon after my TP." Then he was like, "Noob. CS doesn't mean wins. I kept you in your lane so you couldn't help your teammates." and I'm like, "...But you stayed in the lane and didn't help your teammates either?" and he's like, "That's the strategy. To keep you from helping. Therefore I beat you."

Is there something I'm not understanding?

 

[fkacyan]

This theorycraft is interesting but essentially useless for the majority of the game.

This is like theorycrafting WoW PvP, it doesnt take into account positioning / targetting at all.

 

[DallasPhat]

All the chart proves is that sivir is the best ad carry which everyone already knows.

 

[PhantomX]

Can someone please help me with how I can build Volibear if I am going top.
I know that he can be built different ways, but I was wondering what the best way is to build him.
And what Runes would be best.

Please and thank you

Atm my core build is Wriggles against AD/harass/push heavy champs, followed by Wit's and Ionic Spark to maximize Voli's ultimate and AoE damage (spark also gives health for bite, wits gives some tankiness). Shurelias for CDR and more health bonus, then I like Mallet. That's optimal for a snowbally game.

If needed I will build a Frozen Heart (or Randuin's since it comes with bonus health) for multiple AD/AS champs (or fed ones) or more MR as needed, usually skipping out on the spark since that's more of a midgame item.

New Stark's will be perfect for him with the bonus health, vamp, and as. Might build that isntead of Wriggles for sustain, though it will slow down his pushing and counterjungling/camp stealing.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

Thank you very much for the help.
I appreciate it <3

 

[PhantomX]

m5 counterjungling getting shut down by CLG EU on stream right now.

 

[UTDZac]

All the chart proves is that sivir is the best ad carry which everyone already knows.

The chart also shows Caitlyn does the least damage, which i dont agree with in the slightest. Did they not take into account her passive?

Also, the second PD on the full build should be a QSS or banshees

 

[Dojo]

It's in the number, YOU'RE WRONG ZAC!

 

[PhantomX]

It's perfectly sensible for Cait to do the least b/c she has no AS steroid.

However, she is also relatively the safest and easiest to position.

CLG Froggen's Anivia builds are so strange. Last time he went Warmog's, this game he goes Tear, Revolver, Visage XD

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I mean, Twitch can do more damage. This is fact. However, nowhere in that video did it say that he was a better carry than Cait. You're flat wrong if you say that the damage output is lower if you act on the assumptions made for the purpose of that math. It's simply the math and it makes sense when you look at their kits.

 

[DallasPhat]

Zac think about this, so every 6 attacks = next attack being 50% stronger right? You do realize that's the worst than corki passive over time, actually its not even close if you factor in crit.

 

[john!]

that analysis left out a number of things, the most notable being multi-target damage

 

[DallasPhat]

If they put in consideration of multiple target spells, then sivir and graves would have an even bigger advantage to the other carries.

 

[PhantomX]

If they put in consideration of multiple target spells, then sivir and graves would have an even bigger advantage to the other carries.

And Corki with Gatling, that gives additional damage from armor pen.

 

[Plum]

I was Udyr solo-top versus a Teemo solo-top lastnight.

We lost the game but I did really well; I think. Mid/Bot fed their Jungler Shaco to 9/1 early. I outfarmed the Teemo by about 25-30 CS. At the end of the game the Teemo was like, "So owned my lane." and I'm like, "Wtf? I out CS'd you and we got first dragon after my TP." Then he was like, "Noob. CS doesn't mean wins. I kept you in your lane so you couldn't help your teammates." and I'm like, "...But you stayed in the lane and didn't help your teammates either?" and he's like, "That's the strategy. To keep you from helping. Therefore I beat you."

Is there something I'm not understanding?

That's basically the Teemo strategy.
Assuming you work around Teemo's strengths, you turn the game into a 4v4 but Teemo's team is better as four than your team is. When you do get in 5v5 situations Teemo's job is to just be a pain in the *** to your bruiser or carry with his blind/Frozen Mallet slows and hope he contributes enough.

The Teemo doesn't sound like he did that well though if he got out cs'd by an Udyr

 

[PhantomX]

M5 is getting chunked. Showing that M5 Shyvana strat is useless if the enemy keeps their jungle under control and lanes her against someone that scales well.

 

[Plum]

Damn CLG EU is looking tight as hell.
Really didn't understand M5's picks.

Wonder who would win between both CLG teams now.

 

[DallasPhat]

Pull the hotshot, push lane all day still lose cause people realize first two outer turrets dont mean anything if other lanes are getting help from top + jungler. People starting to realize that 5v4 means dragon control and lane advantage in other 2 lane. Theres a reason why clg isn't winning anymore.

 

[PhantomX]

Another problem is Shyvana can't do her thing if her team is behind. They need to be at least even or higher for her to go beast mode.

TF against Ahri and the Urgot not having success early is destroying them at this point.

First game was a lot closer and had much tighter play by both teams. This one was just getting outpicked imo.

CLG EU would win hard imo.

EDIT: Great fight by m5. All the displacing really threw off CLG's positioning.

 

[IShouldBeStudying]

Question:

Which junglers best compliment Cassiopeia? And why? Strictly a solo/duo queue mindset.

Thanks in advance to everyone who answers.

 

[PhantomX]

Singed jungle

Permapoison!

Wickd costing CLG the game b/c he's never around for fights.