Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

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I forgot to buy boots on Sona once when I was playing with some friends, it was a bit awkward

 

[fkacyan]

I forgot to buy boots on Sona once when I was playing with some friends, it was a bit awkward

I sometimes dont always get boots early on supports, depending on the lane

but mid vs a skillshot character

like

wat

 

[DarkDragoon]

But like... Boots?

BOOTS?!

Two of the three games I've lost in ranked were partially my fault for making some key mistakes late game after some massive mistakes happened early. But my mistakes weren't simple build mistakes any 600 elo player could tell you that you were ******** for. it was more like "Whoops, didnt initiate on the right guy" or " whoops, popy flashed through the wall and ***** me because I was slightly too far from my team."

the worst part was that he was mid fighting an ahri. I would START boots in that lane

Just popping in to say that there is no reason to start with anything BUT boots as Akali, ever. If you don't have the runes/masteries for your passives level 1 (god forbid...), then just get them on your first buy. Having that movement speed helps punish people so much pre-6, and makes it that much harder for them to get away from you pre-rylais.
-DD

 

[fkacyan]

Just popping in to say that there is no reason to start with anything BUT boots as Akali, ever. If you don't have the runes/masteries for your passives level 1 (god forbid...), then just get them on your first buy. Having that movement speed helps punish people so much pre-6, and makes it that much harder for them to get away from you pre-rylais.
-DD

Jungle Akali doesn't start boots.

 

[Vyke]

I bet you can make it so she does. :D

 

[DarkDragoon]

Jungle Akali doesn't start boots.

mmm...

I bet you can make it so she does. :D

^

-DD

 

[Pikaville]

I'd love to learn to jungle Xerath.

But apparently it's hard.

 

[Omni]

Ugh, Lee Sin is the most difficult jungler I've used so far. As of now I'm 2-3 with him in solo-queue.

I can't farm and keep up on levels quite like Udyr.
I can't seem to gank as efficiently as Shaco.

I've been running Exhaust/Smite, but I think I'll switch to Flash/Smite until I get a better feel for him.

Any tips? I start Cloth/5. Then go for Boots, Wriggles, Mercs, Brutalizer, Warmogs, then Atma's or Trinity.

 

[ruin`]

yes I am, ty KevinM. I feels much better now

 

[NJzFinest]

Omni start with vamp scepter.

After lvl 3, Max W 2nd instead of E and use your Q to jump to camps faster. You'll never need a pot and will end up getting wriggles pretty early.

 

[john!]

people max e last on jungle monk?

is there a guide somewhere?

edit: did you mean max w second after ult? i'm confused now, derp

 

[Omni]

Omni start with vamp scepter.

After lvl 3, Max W 2nd instead of E and use your Q to jump to camps faster. You'll never need a pot and will end up getting wriggles pretty early.

Start Vamp Scepter?

E, Q, W, then max W? I usually max Q first.

 

[NJzFinest]

Here's a guide from TheOddOne:

http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9356

edit: I meant max W after Q. Get E at lvl 1 and then don't touch it.

I used to start cloth 5 pots on Lee but vamp scepter + his W is just ridiculous and you'll never be low on health after the first few levels.

 

[Omni]

That's the one I've been using actually.

And ah that makes sense.

I'll try Vamp Sceptor, but I'm not sure if that's going to help my staying severely underleveled issue and yet not being able to gank as well as Shaco.

 

[jpak]

playing on smurf as janna/alistar/nunu/leona
http://www.own3d.tv/live/42683 duo with 1900+ so relatively high games

 

[PhantomX]

Don't max W second. It depends on the situation. If you are having a strong start, max E second over W to keep pressure/ganks on the lane. You only need two points in W for jungle sustain with vamp scepter.

Lee has some of the strongest ganks in the game, they're just skillshots and stuff. Exhaust is definitely more of a solo q/experienced Lee Singer thing

 

[Omni]

Okay, so here's two more questions:

Lee's passive lets him have 50% atk speed after casting an ability. Does that mean the passive activates twice since his spells have two partitions? Or is it only activated once after the first use?

I.E: Use E. Passive activates. Two fast judo chops. E again to Cripple. Passive activates again, or no?

Second question.

In a 1v1 situation should I cast Iron Will on myself first, or should I cast Iron Will last after my initial QEERQ burst?

 

[UTDZac]

Got my first penta today . Was playing Nid.

I still have yet to get my penta

 

[Mogwai]

Okay, so here's two more questions:

Lee's passive lets him have 50% atk speed after casting an ability. Does that mean the passive activates twice since his spells have two partitions? Or is it only activated once after the first use?

I.E: Use E. Passive activates. Two fast judo chops. E again to Cripple. Passive activates again, or no?

Second question.

In a 1v1 situation should I cast Iron Will on myself first, or should I cast Iron Will last after my initial QEERQ burst?

1. His passive activates on both casts. E, kick kick, E, kick kick. There's a rhythm to maximizing his passive.

2. It's situational. W earlier if you're just going to be sitting there wailing on each other for the maximized sustain, do QER first mix ups if you have an edge and want to burst ASAP.

 

[Omni]

1. Sweet. Wow, that's broke.
2. QQER or QERQ? Or does it even matter?

 

[Mogwai]

1. Sweet. Wow, that's broke.
2. QQER or QERQ? Or does it even matter?

Well, as I said, it's situational, but technically speaking, you'll burst hardest with EQREQ since that will frontload EQR damage before the 2nd hit of Q, which will make the 2nd hit of Q hit as hard as possible. If you have some leeway to attack, space it for maximized passive, EaaEaaQaaRQ.

 

[PhantomX]

You want to have them pegged with Q before you R so you can Q again for more damage. Never just kick unless you are for sure going to kill them, always have them pegged w/ Q first so you can execute should you need.

Double E slow can let you set up a repositioning kick back to your team for a gank or in a teamfight where they try to kite.

The character is very dynamic, feel free to go crazy. But yes, for fastest jungling you want to make sure to always use your passives both hits per spell.

 

[UTDZac]

If you are having trouble sustaining in the jungle with Lee, throw more points in W as use that first on camps. W - wait 2 - W - wait 2 - Q - wait 2 - Q - wait 2 - W - wait 2 - W - wait 2 - E - wait 2 - E - wait 2 - (repeat).

Otherwise you can use, Q - wait 1 - Q - wait 1 - W - wait 1 - W - wait 1/2 - E - wait 2 - E - wait 2 - (repeat).

wait X = wait X attacks before next spell.

 

[fkacyan]

So easy to poop on soloq with shyvana, jesus

Nobody ever picks Udyr and Skarner is always banned, so people run single-target junglers and I have three times their farm by level 8.

Whee.

 

[@TKbreezy]

hmm...all this advice. I'm going to try to learn lee sin today then since its whats going on in here right now.

 

[Omni]

Sweet.

Didn't realize you can do EaaEaa. Just been doing EEaa. That should make my jungle go faster and allow me to keep up in levels.

I'll also try to start Vamp Sceptor over Cloth/5.

 

[Vyke]

Whenever I jungle these days it's just Udyr or Lee. Want to learn Malphite, probably pick him up next.

 

[Omni]

Udyr is my go to guy.
Shaco when I just wanna' **** up somebody' day early game and troll megahard.
Lee Sin I'm hoping to make a Udyr/Shaco mix jungler.
I retired Amumu since he gets counterjungled so hard.
Nocturne is my solo-queue carry jungler.

I do want to learn one last jungler so I have 4 in total that I can use really well. Going to be between Skarner, Rammus, and Shyvana.

 

[Mogwai]

Whenever I jungle these days it's just Udyr or Lee. Want to learn Malphite, probably pick him up next.

Malphite is purely a counterpick. Now that lanecamping is in over gardening, Malphite went from 'good jangler' to 'weakish jangler' in my book, but he's still ****ing unkillable when you have an AD Bruiser, AP, AD Jangler, AD Carry, Support team setup, so I like to pick him vs. those teams.

 

[Vyke]

I speak of him merely because he's faster than the ususal suspects and is super duper safe. We all know jungle Ziggs is the newest thing.

 

[Coney]

EEaa is better if they're trying to escape, obv

so i'm still having the problem of winning my lane 90% of games, with 50% of those being by a large margin (either several kills or double CS), but still losing games

it kills me that i feel like so much of this game is out of my hands. i can create a sizable advantage top pretty much every time, but it doesn't matter because mid will go 0-2 and bot will get outfarmed hard and i'll be too far away to do anything about it. leaving my lane means potentially surrendering my lead (this happened last night when i played mid and our shaco got counterjungled constantly, i got jumped by three and lost my huge lane advantage)

"carry harder" isn't working

 

[Omni]

You sound like Dastrn's doppleganger.

My response to that was to simply duo-queue with a reliable partner. One should always be jungler while the other is solo-top or mid. Then learn how to cripple your lane making yourself + partner stronger. Not to mention an additional reliable partner = one less slot for a feeding slot. I think this is your best bet.

As non duo... well... hrm...

*shrugs*

 

[PhantomX]

Top is not the best lane to carry solo queue from. It's a 1v1 there, mostly and you're separated from the rest of the map. If you want to carry solo queue you play jungle or mid.

 

[Mogwai]

carrying low elo solo is pretty simple IMO.

pick Xin Zhao, call jangle. Don't take small camps until you have your wriggle's and instead only take buffs and then lane camp and kill the **** out of the enemy team for the first 10 minutes. make calls and ping as obnoxiously as you have to to direct your team around objectives such that you leverage your kills into towers/dragons/buffs. the end.

and least that's been the mogwai formula for giving low elo friends free elo.

 

[JTB]

In order to carry by going top, you must have to be able to kill youjr opponent so much that when you start trolling them in all chat, the other team joins you. Guarenteed win.

 

[Vyke]

carrying low elo solo is pretty simple IMO.

pick Xin Zhao, call jangle. Don't take small camps until you have your wriggle's and instead only take buffs and then lane camp and kill the **** out of the enemy team for the first 10 minutes. make calls and ping as obnoxiously as you have to to direct your team around objectives such that you leverage your kills into towers/dragons/buffs. the end.

and least that's been the mogwai formula for giving low elo friends free elo.

Give me runes and Masteries and I shall test this theory. 1500s count, right?

 

[Mogwai]

Give me runes and Masteries and I shall test this theory. 1500s count, right?

1500s are getting to the point where people are competent enough that this both doesn't work as often and isn't as necessary because fewer lanes are lost as hopelessly as they are at the 1100/1200/1300/1400s.

It's 21/0/9 with flat armor seals, scaling mres glyphs, and then your choice of ArPen/AS/AD mix on Marks and Quints (I typically run 2 AD Quints, 1 AS Quint, 2 AS Marks, 7 ArPen Marks, but I've run it with all sorts of mixes and they're all fine).

Open boots + 3 pots, Q first, wraiths -> red, -> gank top/bot, should be a kill like every time. with your movespeed + red you just 100% stick to a non-boots target and dish out pretty damn good low level damage with EaQQQ. From here, build wriggle's -> HoG -> Triforce, with optional berserker's greaves early if you want offensive boots. Otherwise post triforce get mercs/tabi depending on your needs and then tank out with stuff like warmog's, omen, aegis, or FoN. If you want another offensive item, Wit's End and Atma's are acceptable, but anything less tanky will probably cost you since you need to be really tanky in teamfights if you want to carry.

 

[Tmacc]

carrying low elo solo is pretty simple IMO.

pick Xin Zhao, call jangle. Don't take small camps until you have your wriggle's and instead only take buffs and then lane camp and kill the **** out of the enemy team for the first 10 minutes. make calls and ping as obnoxiously as you have to to direct your team around objectives such that you leverage your kills into towers/dragons/buffs. the end.

and least that's been the mogwai formula for giving low elo friends free elo.

I basically do this in Soloq lately, except with Lee Sin. Constant ganking and camping=your bad team enough time to get a lead in lane, and its been winning me games.

 

[Mogwai]

Lee Sin you have to be kinda good with though. Xin, you right click on them, E -> left click them, wait for 1 attack, hit Q, and then they die in a couple seconds, so much easier than like, hitting skill shots and thinking about your ult and ****.

 

[Dastrn]

Malphite is fun when the game is going well, and he's not fun at all when the game is going poorly. You don't really gank well pre-6 unless the other team totally has no idea you're coming. He farms up fairly well, so if it's a passive jungle on both sides, then he'll do really well.

I picked up skarner yesterday and I'm having success with him so far. I think I'm 4-1 in normals with him. I'll play him in ranked a bit today.