Anyone know how to play swain? That jerk is free and I SUCK with him.
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honestly Ryze can do pretty well with MS Quints, MPen Marks, and resistance on Seals/Glyphs. Your early damage will be a little gimped, but it actually doesn't hurt as bad as I thought it would.
Did someone finally say Swain?
YESSSSSSSS
Swain is a lot of fun vs people that don't know how to lane vs him. He's underrated in lane, but he certainly has characters to look out for. He's an interesting choice vs certain Melee's top.
1. Early game if you have a lane MU that isn't lopsided for them, you can afford to harass and use spells from the getgo because of his passive. Early on while your mana costs are fairly low and assuming you can last hit, you will get back most/all of your mana even without Dring/mana runes. So throwing safe Torments out over and over, or doing a combo here and there won't **** your mana. Especially if you are able to get this damage out safely, over time it adds up quickly. 2-3 torments and AA's to the face while you only eat a spell or two, quickly turns into your favor.
2. R > E > W > Q Skill order 95% of the time
E is straight forward. Use it to harass and to start off combos for max damage.
Maxing W gets the snare on a lower CD.
Q isn't a bad spell, but getting Snare on a lower CD is super important. Q has the best overall ratio if all 3 ticks hit (.3 per tick) and the slow amount does go up, but it can be hard to force people to eat every tick. 1 thing about Q to remember in certain scenarios: if you are faster than the other person/close by/something, and you really need to land Snare on him, you can use Q first to make the Snare easier to land. It's also strong when people want to come inside your range to leap on you because they will have to walk into and towards the center of the leash to get to you.
3. Buildwise, rushing Catalyst/RoA is the safe bet. He benefits a LOT from Catalyst, giving him huge sustain in lane (and in turn, more harass through having more mana). You tend to build him tanky AP, like Ryze if he had to also think about building AP.
Ryze: Yeah he's solid with resistance runes. Mana runes CAN help if you're in a lane that forces boots and/or lanes you basically GG win with Saph Crystal, but Ryze defensively is also weak until he gets items. Almost always on 1 side of the spectrum while you get Tear and then decide on glacial shroud/banshee/etc.
YESSSSSSSS
Swain is a lot of fun vs people that don't know how to lane vs him. He's underrated in lane, but he certainly has characters to look out for. He's an interesting choice vs certain Melee's top.
1. Early game if you have a lane MU that isn't lopsided for them, you can afford to harass and use spells from the getgo because of his passive. Early on while your mana costs are fairly low and assuming you can last hit, you will get back most/all of your mana even without Dring/mana runes. So throwing safe Torments out over and over, or doing a combo here and there won't **** your mana. Especially if you are able to get this damage out safely, over time it adds up quickly. 2-3 torments and AA's to the face while you only eat a spell or two, quickly turns into your favor.
2. R > E > W > Q Skill order 95% of the time
E is straight forward. Use it to harass and to start off combos for max damage.
Maxing W gets the snare on a lower CD.
Q isn't a bad spell, but getting Snare on a lower CD is super important. Q has the best overall ratio if all 3 ticks hit (.3 per tick) and the slow amount does go up, but it can be hard to force people to eat every tick. 1 thing about Q to remember in certain scenarios: if you are faster than the other person/close by/something, and you really need to land Snare on him, you can use Q first to make the Snare easier to land. It's also strong when people want to come inside your range to leap on you because they will have to walk into and towards the center of the leash to get to you.
3. Buildwise, rushing Catalyst/RoA is the safe bet. He benefits a LOT from Catalyst, giving him huge sustain in lane (and in turn, more harass through having more mana). You tend to build him tanky AP, like Ryze if he had to also think about building AP.
Ryze: Yeah he's solid with resistance runes. Mana runes CAN help if you're in a lane that forces boots and/or lanes you basically GG win with Saph Crystal, but Ryze defensively is also weak until he gets items. Almost always on 1 side of the spectrum while you get Tear and then decide on glacial shroud/banshee/etc.
Dphat, we should duo. I want to stop you from freefalling down to the 1300s (clearly what's happening recently).
Should let it happen so we can all watch him get ****talked by the 1400s he used to ****talk 
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So Px. you can do red buff at level 1 with no leash as Riven to get instant level 2
but I feel like thats slowing me down in jungle.
Thoughts?
but I feel like thats slowing me down in jungle.
Thoughts?
Vyke
Smash Champion
should duo with me so we can replace dphat's plat with me
Radium88
Smash Lord
Wait, why would you not buy Alistar? I was actually planning on playing him support. Also, how would you build him?
I couldn't really tell you TKbro, I pretty much quit the jungle since the changes.
tarmacker
Smash Journeyman
You can get him for Alistar for free from subscribing to Riot on youtube. Build him like every other support
Radium88
Smash Lord
MacD
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yea man, if they still my first set of wraiths it's basically GG surrender at 20
god I hate the new jungle. I don't even like rammus in it tbh.
start wraiths, have your team help you. remember range on exp is 400 and most ranged champs have 500-600 attack range. after wraiths you can red, then golems, then wraiths again. or skip golems and gank.
DallasPhat
Smash Master
Carrying from the jungle is no long viable in solo que. Main reason I'm dropping is because of the jungle changes. Just trying to figure out other roles until something connect for me in the jungle.
Honestly, after the new patch, it feels the same (assuming you actually spend time ganking).
Vyke
Smash Champion
ya I don't mind the jungle changes since the banking system.
yep, no ****. jungle changes are total bull****. you can say it's just different and we're supposed to just get used to it, but meh, I hate what makes a good jungle nowadays (either AoE ricefarmer who works with double gold/10 or a stronk ganker who literally just camps lanes all game and never ****ing jungles). I dunno, maybe this jungle is closer to what they wanted from the jungle when they initially designed it, but coming from the old jungle, I absolutely abhor the current jungle.
tarmacker
Smash Journeyman
Going to the DOTA jungle where you are nonexistent for 50 minutes then show up as a fully farmed Syllabear and 1v5 the other team.
All I do know is that starting red as first camp would be a waste since you have to start it a 1:55. Kill one of the small camps and then do red if you want to go gank ASAP to optimize your time.
New jungle still blows.
New jungle still blows.
Yeppp, the pressure from junglers is the same if not better.
DallasPhat
Smash Master
Its because Junglers are rewarded even more than previously if a gank is successful. I'm not complaining about the jungle, its just the gold intake is significantly less. I went from the highest farmer to barely having a gold advantage over the support.
But like Dan already stated Junglers are not the most influential role in solo que. Look at the current ladder, the top25 was once filled with Junglers but after the change almost all of them dropped significantly.
But like Dan already stated Junglers are not the most influential role in solo que. Look at the current ladder, the top25 was once filled with Junglers but after the change almost all of them dropped significantly.
Well yeah, you camp lanes to leech exp/hope for kills or free lane to farm. No other choice now.
DallasPhat
Smash Master
I wouldn't complain so much about the jungle if udyr wasn't so commonly banned 
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I did however started playing nocturne/skarner more so hopefully that will help me climb the ladder again.
.I did however started playing nocturne/skarner more so hopefully that will help me climb the ladder again.
I don't see how those are related...I wouldn't complain so much about the jungle if udyr wasn't so commonly banned
EDIT: the logic trees are falling x.X
DallasPhat
Smash Master
Other junglers I played got significantly nerfed due to the jungle changes. Junglers like GP, fiddlesticks and others got significantly slowed down, WHILE udyr stayed strong. Thus people realizing how strong udyr is finally started banning him more frequently which is making it difficult for me to climb (since udyr is probably my best champ atm)
So like which junglers dropped significantly that were near or in the top 25? Only person I can think of is dan dinh who started playing ad carries and other random stuff.But like Dan already stated Junglers are not the most influential role in solo que. Look at the current ladder, the top25 was once filled with Junglers but after the change almost all of them dropped significantly.
Aren't more people playing jungle GP now that he has an easier time clearing and doesn't get really low..
DallasPhat
Smash Master
Saint vicious and theoddone were both in the top15 prior to the patch changes.
It's not entirely impossible to carry out of the jungle currently but much, much less likely. If you are far superior to the enemy jungler you can still help roll, and in solo q people are still very gankable but if anything goes wrong you are set very far back gold wise (I think exp is not in a bad place right now). You just need either gp/10 or someonen to super push a lane while covering it to keep up money wise.
Gp tends to go top for levels and more gold so he can hit his strong point sooner. People that need high income should not be in the jungle. He can do well comparatively bc of gun, but still not as good as top.
Fing phone double post :/
Fing phone double post :/
DallasPhat
Smash Master
So instead of having a dominate presence on the top15 hes now a few game away from top25? Sounds like a drop to me.
I only amumu, rammus and noct in the jungle now because I don't have the pateince to camp lanes. The only real way to carry out of the jungle as far as I can tell is to camp the **** out of lanes and kill them a lot.
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man. All this jungle talk. really makes me want to quit the jungle. Which sucks because I JUST LEARNED how to jungle like 1 week before the patch went up.
oh well I guess its back to AP carrys. or Maybe I can practice top lane teemo again. but I never used teemo in ranked so hmmm.
oh well I guess its back to AP carrys. or Maybe I can practice top lane teemo again. but I never used teemo in ranked so hmmm.