They've been slowly getting more efficient over time. Plus I have a feeling that all those micro-patches we keep having are parts of the whole patch (save for balance changes) so that actual patch day goes smoothly.
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A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
graves' ult is pretty ridiculous. the huge base damage + insane bonus ad ratio makes it seem too strong, especially on an ad carry
putting such a huge aoe nuke on a physical dps carry is definitely not a good idea. if riot continues down this path then ap casters are going to be made obsolete.
putting such a huge aoe nuke on a physical dps carry is definitely not a good idea. if riot continues down this path then ap casters are going to be made obsolete.
ToferTheHuman
Hii
I love the new changes they made to some of the items.
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john!
Smash Hero
they did it last year too, i think it's a tradition
dphat do you just duo q with good players all the time or what?
MacD
Banned via Administration
oh man that vid is so good
saw it a while ago
saw it a while ago
Mikey Lenetia
Smash Champion
That's... a scary amount of damage coming from an AD carry. And the fact it can hit multiple champs... ._.;
The fact that he has multiple abilities that hit multiple champs...
PsychoMidget
Smash Lord
its like if MFs ult was instant rofl
So I've been watching bob stream all day. Here's my conclusion on Graves:
DallasPhat
Smash Master
To bad at max most AD carry only get around 150-200 + ad at MAX build, so thats only 600-700 damage nuke while you know AP carries can hit 300-400 + ap with the same amount of gold. Y'all are just blowing his damage out of proportion.
Consider how much more damage your AD carry does if you build a bit of attack speed. Now consider how much damage your AP carry does if you build a bit of cooldown reduction.
AD carries don't need lifesteal, just like AP carries don't need spellvamp.
The one thing AD carries have over AP carries is the ability to crit (which literally doubles their damage output late game).
AD carries don't need lifesteal, just like AP carries don't need spellvamp.
The one thing AD carries have over AP carries is the ability to crit (which literally doubles their damage output late game).
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You don't spend half your gold on CDR. You might get CDR boots and a Fiendish Codex, but with that and blue buff you hit your CDR cap.
The only thing AS related I build on AD carries is Phantom Dancer. That gives +55% Attack Speed +30% Critical Strike +15% Movement Speed. the crit chance translates to damage (so not really a waste of gold here), the move speed is necessary as an ad carry for positioning, and 55% (plus berserker boots) is all that i need.
Dphat, you have to realize that's still a tremendous, instant nuke, on top of the huge damage he can do while his spells are on CD with his auto attacks.
Casters have to wait for their burst cycle to come back up, there is no down time on DPS damage.
Casters have to wait for their burst cycle to come back up, there is no down time on DPS damage.
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With a PD and AS boots, that's two items you have that don't give AD. Since you don't have Merc Treads, you must be building some other defense item like a QSS. That leaves you with 3 items to build AD. IE costs more but gives far less AD than DC does AP. The same goes for Frozen Mallet and Rylai's.
Also, I think I should clarify that I'm arguing that relatively high AD ratios aren't a big deal because it's difficult and uncommon to build a lot of AD.
Also, I think I should clarify that I'm arguing that relatively high AD ratios aren't a big deal because it's difficult and uncommon to build a lot of AD.
wait wait wait, were people just saying that there's anything reasonable about the damage on Grave's ult? Those numbers are like, higher than release Jarman's SINGLE TARGET ult nuke, and they deemed that to be too much, lol.
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
it does 500 base AOE damage
area. of. effect.
even if they halved the ad scaling it would be a strong ult. 1.4 AD is just ludicrous, especially on an ad carry. then you have to consider the huge range on the projectile, meaning graves can fire it off while being completely safe.
totally bull**** ult and that needs to be nerfed asap
Ezreal's ult is 650 base aoe damage...
MF ults base damage is 1300.
Twitch's ult base damage is somewhere between 1400-1800 (before the nerf, level 18 twitch with no items was capable of 3.2k damage with his ultimate when coupled with expunge, lol)
Corki's ult base damage is about 1600 over all shots.
MF ults base damage is 1300.
Twitch's ult base damage is somewhere between 1400-1800 (before the nerf, level 18 twitch with no items was capable of 3.2k damage with his ultimate when coupled with expunge, lol)
Corki's ult base damage is about 1600 over all shots.
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
ez's ult scales 1:1, is channeled, and has damage reduction
mf's ult has 8 ticks of 110 base damage (lol 1300), deals magic damage and has a long as channel time
and i don't even know where twitch's ult comes in lol. where the **** are you getting these numbers
and you seem to be forgetting that we're talking about nukes here. ez's ult is really the only comparable skill that you mentioned. do we talk about nunu's ult when we're considering the power of ap casters? no, because that's ********, just like comparing grave's ult to twitch's ult and corki firing off 7 missiles
Excel spreadsheets. And whoops on the MF one, that included make it rain damage.
Actually, wait a second.
Mf's ult scales off of total AD, not bonus AD.
Each shot at level 18 has bonus 45 damage, unless I missed something where they changed it to bonus ad scaling only.
1240 damage at level 18.
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
it's always been bonus ad.
and to give some perspective, jarvan's ult does 450 base damage with a 1.5bonus ad scaling
so the first hit is as strong as a jarvan ult, while still dealing huge damage behind the tank
and to give some perspective, jarvan's ult does 450 base damage with a 1.5bonus ad scaling
so the first hit is as strong as a jarvan ult, while still dealing huge damage behind the tank
Derp ^ went into game to check.
For whatever reason I thought it was total.
All I'm saying is, that in terms of 'damage', his ultimate isn't completely out of line. The usability of it probably requires its damage and scaling to be tuned down.
For whatever reason I thought it was total.
All I'm saying is, that in terms of 'damage', his ultimate isn't completely out of line. The usability of it probably requires its damage and scaling to be tuned down.
Yeah Shaya some of those comparisons are pretty awful when you consider that he quickly shoots it a massive range 1 direction with little/no start up and gets AoE behind it. Pure damage? No. Context of the skill? Yes it's pretty high.
Dekar173
Justice Man
Graves seems too good from what I've seen. JK he's always banned XD
john!
Smash Hero
holy ****
so i quit kennen way back when the MOTS duration got nerfed from 12 to 8
i played him again today for the first time in forever
he *****
every graves i've seen so far has done really well
so i quit kennen way back when the MOTS duration got nerfed from 12 to 8
i played him again today for the first time in forever
he *****
every graves i've seen so far has done really well
streaming some ranked 5s with dekar and zac and zoso.
DarkDragoon
Smash Champion
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DallasPhat
Smash Master
Huh what are you saying john?
I think he's saying you aren't very skilled dphat.
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john!
Smash Hero
hey
solo top poppy is legit
solo top poppy is legit
Would it be considered overpowered that I can be level 3 at 2.10 and gank a solo while they're still level 1?
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
shaco's early game ganks are in my opinion the most bull**** things ever
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
How is jungle Graves?