For Ashe+Talon, I use support ashe with gp5s and cdr. I would only use support ashe with talon. Ashe has the supporting ability of hawkshot, and with cdr from most support items ashe arrow is up like every 60 or 50 seconds. Ashe specifically for talon because ashe has constant slow with Q or Volley which procs talon's passive of 10% dmg. If ashe lands arrow at a decent range, talon should be able to kill him.So assuming I want to run something that's not support + carry bot lane, should the noncarry build gp5 like a support and farm lives instead of creeps?
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jiovanni007
Smash Ace
Shoyaright.
When u say cdr are u referring to max cdr through all means, or cdr boots? What do you late game as Ashe? Eh gonna steal this in case u can't tell but I'll give y'all credit.
Cia
das kwl
lmfao. last 5 words '.. this game is horribly made."
Gifts
¡Me gusta tejer!
Lol attack speed kennan is too funny in dominion
Gifts
¡Me gusta tejer!
berserkers ,ionic spark, blood razor, PD, zeal is what I got to. Then we lost cause of a dc. D:
I do however want to try, berserkers ,ionic, malady, wits end, blood razor, then PD. LEWL
I do however want to try, berserkers ,ionic, malady, wits end, blood razor, then PD. LEWL
BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
Just played a game against Omni.
I, being the absolutely terrible player I am, died a whole lot. Fortunately, we had a superrape Irelia and we dominated anyway.
I'm learning teemo, btw. What are some good items I should run?
I, being the absolutely terrible player I am, died a whole lot. Fortunately, we had a superrape Irelia and we dominated anyway.
I'm learning teemo, btw. What are some good items I should run?
cdr from masteries, boots, and reverie usually lets you hit the 40% cap. late game you just keep hitting arrows and can build dmg or attack speed and still be as useful as a regular ashe. btw i would try like support gp instead if u wnat unconvential support, i cant see ashe working well too much. gp lux maokai leona nunu all okShoyaright.
When u say cdr are u referring to max cdr through all means, or cdr boots? What do you late game as Ashe? Eh gonna steal this in case u can't tell but I'll give y'all credit.
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doh, thats what i meant
graves spotlight out, i think im going to pick him up tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWzyB4xe7Y8&feature=player_embedded
start boots unless you're going bot with a support mismatch (you have soraka, they have janna)
then 1-2 dblades, wit's end, phage + bloodrazor -> mallet -> GA => thirster
is how I do it. so close enough
. Wriggle's is still pretty alright instead of dblades though. It'll last you longer, push harder, and be a better thirster substitute to sustain split pushes before you get super late game, I just get scared without any HP items early on teemo.
jiovanni007
Smash Ace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=940rzFtFNbs&feature=player_detailpage#t=5s
Yeah I've had a GP randomly support me a while back and we wrecked. I just duo queue with this guy who's pretty good with Talon but he normally goes top. I normally fill in which has me playing either a carry or a mage I'm bad with so your setup seemed like it could be convenient for my particular needs.
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Clip could easily be called, this is why you shouldn't play Blitzcrank if you're bad.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
I love the Skarner buffs. Now I can actually share blue buff!
DallasPhat
Smash Master
What do you mean dan? For a 3650 items, the stats seem just about right.
Also making spell vamp on GB unique was a good idea.
Also making spell vamp on GB unique was a good idea.
well the ad nerf was quite large.
D
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good bye jax!!!
Vyke
Smash Champion
Patch is already out. Only one hour of downtime.
Riot is evolving!
Riot is evolving!
holy.
****.
BUT THESE FORTNIGHTLY PATCH DOWN TIMES WAS THE ONLY TIME WHERE I DID UNIVERSITY WORK, FRUUAR
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Updating now. Get hype.
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It's the mother of all item nerfs.
No champion scales equally well with AP and AD atm. One is preferred over the other on every champion right now. For Jax, he objectively scales better with attack damage and armor pen over ability power and magic pen. For Akali, it's AP. For Nidalee, it's AP. etc.
That in mind, for a hybrid item to be efficient on a specific champion, it has to be extremely cost effective. The efficiency of that AD you're getting when you buy that Gunblade on Akali (who scales better with AP, keep in mind) has to be more efficient than the AP you'd get from buying an item with only ability power.
Aside from the active and the lifesteal/spellvamp it gave, the efficiency of the AD and AP for your gold, is what made gunblade an effective choice on Akali and Jax. and some others.
You might look at the price of the item and notice it is extremely- perhaps too cost efficient, and conclude it's waaaaay overpowered. Well it has to be absurdly efficient to be worth getting on anyone.
Not saying it couldn't use some small tweaks, like nerfing the spellvamp on the revolver and the lifesteal on the gunblade portion some to help tone down the healing or some ****- I dunno... but what they're doing is ****** the hell out of it. -20 ad, -5 AP, -5% SV, and -5% lifesteal? holy **** is that a massive nerf.
Probably only 1/87~ champs is gonna buy it EVER now, if anyone. And that's Jax.
Let's look at the Rageblade as an example. It gives 2.1k gold in FREE STATS if you can keep it maxed. That item alone made armor pen Nidalee worthwhile in soloqueue. It was so efficient it was worth spending gold on that attack damage over a not-as-cost-efficient different ability power item, which Nidalee scaled significantly harder with. Nidalee has 1 AD ratio and Nidalee players got it because she can keep it at full stacks 24/7 with her mana-less cougar abilities.
Who gets it now?
*cricket* *cricket*
Jax does.
That said, if Riot wants to balance the game correctly, IMO they need to nerf/fix/adjust the champions who are buying the efficient item that is making them too strong or w/e because they scale too hard with both AP and AD- not nerf the item this ****ing hard that it's only going to be used on 1-2 champions of 80ish.
We have about double the items now than we did back in beta, and item selection diversity is still just as narrow. Well this is partly why.
I agree. It's going to help vary Dominion item selection without touching Summoner's Rift gameplay.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Hybrid Kayle will still use Gunblade...
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Wow, these Skarner buffs. I can do wolves -> wraiths -> golems -> B -> full jungle with no pots... erm, candy corns, lol.
But, alas! My decimal AD doesn't round up anymore
Okay, wtf, another game it rounds up, what is going on?
But, alas! My decimal AD doesn't round up anymore
Okay, wtf, another game it rounds up, what is going on?
Circa
Smash Champion
Does anybody know how long the Harrowing skins are going to be in the store for? I really want Bewitched Nidalee, but I don't own Nidalee.
I know when I was playing around Christmas the skins lasted for a month, but I'm not entirely sure if it's the same for the Harrowing skins. I'd imagine so, but I want to make sure.
I know when I was playing around Christmas the skins lasted for a month, but I'm not entirely sure if it's the same for the Harrowing skins. I'd imagine so, but I want to make sure.
Does anyone else think that Graves' smoke screen move can be used as a counter to the ranged carry + support bot lane?
tarmacker
Smash Journeyman
I'm curious to see what its like to be in the smokescreen
its like nocturne's ult...
Also a ranged carry who would likely be with a support countering other ranged carries with support?
MONSTROUS.
Also a ranged carry who would likely be with a support countering other ranged carries with support?
MONSTROUS.
Dan, the main reason no one uses Rageblade now is that gunblade was ********. Hybirds may go back to buying rageblades over gunblades now that gunblade has been knocked down. That being said, the AD nerf was pretty damn huge on gunblade and I'm not really sure anyone other than Akali, Morde, and Jax will be buying it now. To be perfectly honest, I think they should've done: -10 AD, -5 AP, no change to spell vamp/lifesteal (other than to make spell vamp unique I guess, this doesn't concern me but apparently mattered on dominion), +400 gold to cost. It feels like a triforce-level item to me, so I kinda wish they had kept it as such and upped the cost to be more appropriate.
rylais on ryze?
I got that fed.
IT WAS GLORIOUS.
I got that fed.
IT WAS GLORIOUS.
I'm so glad there's a male ad carry now
Vyke
Smash Champion
You mean besides the other three?
DarkDragoon
Smash Champion
You should have gotten RageBlade.
-DD
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
An unsightly, obese man-crab, a girl with a surprisingly deep voice, and a rat.
Graves is a man, baby, yeah!
Yeah exactly.
Urgot doesn't right click you to death.
Ezreal isn't a man.
Twitch isn't a human. (when i said "male" it was implied to be a human male
)