Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[john!]

OR, we can all just agree to disagree about the definitions of certain champion classes

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Hey, I remember you guys saying something about getting a free Jarvan skin for gold Elo? Where do you hear about this stuff?

 

[PhantomX]

Lol... can't believe CLG lost a game where they had a 10k gold lead by 20 mins.

 

[fkacyan]

you just said CLG ran two supports ????? zilean is NOT a support, he's an AP carry with good support skills

An AP carry with one damaging ability. YEP WHAT A CARRY.

High out of your mind bro.

 

[Deleted member]

classic example of smash suckery

same guy that said veigar ***** kass ROFL

 

[Evanms]

An AP carry with one damaging ability. YEP WHAT A CARRY.

High out of your mind bro.

He isnt level 30 either apparently....
Did you not see regi carry with zil.
Ap carries useful early-mid, thats what zil is good at. Pretty stagnant late.

 

[-Vocal-]

WTB: People that know how to fill out a team comp instead of gimping the whole team with their crappy 5th pick

And Evan's right. Zilean with blue buff during mid game is extremely strong.

Also, I've started recording my matches again. If anyone has some spare time, would you like to critique this ranked game I just had with Tristana? Lux fed hard, but I'm still not sure if there's something I could have done better.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mlltcolavfc23sv

 

[fkacyan]

classic example of smash suckery

same guy that said veigar ***** kass ROFL

Not what I said. I said that the MU can go either way because Kass will not gib Veigar within the timespan of one silence and if Veigar lands the stun he CAN gib Kass very quickly. It's not 100-0 in Kass's favor.

Zilean has very powerful harass but if you're picking him for the AP carry spot you're going to be disappointed. He's no Annie.

EDIT: Just because you can carry with him doesn't mean his optimal role is AP carry and it doesn't mean there aren't a lot of characters who are better at the role.

 

[DanGR]

Da ****.

Why does an AP carry have to have an amazing late game? <.<

If you send Zilean mid and rush a deathcap you're betting on him carrying you to late game. >.>

 

[arch knight]

i just played my first ever ranked game today ^.^
and i won with maokai :D yay

 

[Deleted member]

Not what I said. I said that the MU can go either way because Kass will not gib Veigar within the timespan of one silence and if Veigar lands the stun he CAN gib Kass very quickly. It's not 100-0 in Kass's favor.

Zilean has very powerful harass but if you're picking him for the AP carry spot you're going to be disappointed. He's no Annie.

EDIT: Just because you can carry with him doesn't mean his optimal role is AP carry and it doesn't mean there aren't a lot of characters who are better at the role.

so ur saying zileans better as a no cs, bot-lane support? AP zilean is the ONLY way you should play zilean

and to say he only has one spell is dumb, he gets double AOE powerful bombs through rewind

 

[Leacero]

A Zilean with blue buff is the best thing since Teemo.

Srsly, try it, you never stop pressing buttons. It's like playing Melee, which is why I enjoy playing Zilean the most.

EDIT: Being kited by a Zilean with blue is like getting hit by 5 frost arrows stacking on top of each other while under the effects of toxic. You're a poisoned rattata going against a snorlax.

 

[PhantomX]

Zilean with AP = Carry revived w/ full HP, with solid, constant damage from bombs, even if u only hit 2ish people.

 

[fkacyan]

so ur saying zileans better as a no cs, bot-lane support? AP zilean is the ONLY way you should play zilean

and to say he only has one spell is dumb, he gets double AOE powerful bombs through rewind

Yes, doublebomb's damage is clearly equal to a Brand or Annie combo, or Veigar's combo, or, you know, an actual AP carry's combo.

It's not, and I'm not saying Zilean is bad, but you don't bring Zilean for his bombs.

 

[Deleted member]

i never said zileans better than brand or annie's damage capability wtf

i'm talking about BEST way to play zilean

 

[fkacyan]

i never said zileans better than brand or annie's damage capability wtf

i'm talking about BEST way to play zilean

Effective build != Role

Zilean is a support whose best build is AP. That doesn't make him an AP carry.

 

[Abel1994]

Im stuck kin the recconect to game after finishing it 20min ago.

Ok fixed that problem but now I cant join a game because apparently im already in one but cant connect to it o-o

 

[Duff0]

hes an ap carry int he fact that he needs solo lane farm

hes an ap carry that sacrifices damage for utility

 

[-Vocal-]

hes an ap carry int he fact that he needs solo lane farm

hes an ap carry that sacrifices damage for utility

Orianna doesn't so why should he?

OhThat'sRightOriannaIsJustBroken

Anyways, is it just me or is Garen really good again?

 

[PhantomX]

Garen is strong top lane against the currently popular melee sustain top, much like Teemo is.

 

[Duff0]

Orianna doesn't so why should he?

OhThat'sRightOriannaIsJustBroken

Anyways, is it just me or is Garen really good again?

idk ive never ever seen ori duo lane

 

[Abel1994]

My friend uses garen as a tank

 

[PhantomX]

Actually Garen may be pretty strong bot lane again now that sustain is getting hit... and not just when paired w/ a stun.

 

[Pikaville]

Zilean seems kinda crappy and Cait is dumb.

I hate trying to fight her.

Her lock on move pisses me off so much.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

So I have absolutely no idea how to play AP carries.

What runes should they have?

 

[straight8]

zilean is not a support wtf are u guys talking about. orianna is really bad support cause everything except her slow scales off ap

like how did this thread get so stupid in the past day..

 

[Shaya]

Zilean's 1.8 aoe ap ratio bombs on a ridiculously short cool down from level 9 onwards is extremely strong up until around level 18. This is when Zilean shines and is a completely viable AP carry (take a moment to think about how many spells annie will actually get on a single target during a team fight, okay tibbers at .9 and her cone for .7). Its honestly late game where suddenly annie is stronger because she:

1. Doesn't die in one hit
2. Has blue buff + blue elixir (as in 40% CDR, not as core as zilean getting it early)
3. Will still likely to dish out the same amount of damage to individuals as zilean would bar really bad positioning / using flash.

What really puts Zilean out is that late game the enemy has banshees, and having only two spells (one being the devastating slow he needs for protection of himself/team mates) / you're expecting the enemy team to not really bunch up (as if they'd let you double bomb 5 of their team mates) restricts him when he has CDs a lot - hence why if you have zilean you'd either be going for uber uber early game **** (and lose if it goes late) or have someone like kog/ashe who faceroll end game.

 

[PhantomX]

You can be a support champ without having to be a 0 CS support.

Someone wasn't around before this ******ry started.

 

[Shaya]

yeah... tbh support having 0 cs is quite ****ty.
It's probably why Zilean / Sona seem like the least used bot supports (you're either going soraka/taric or janna for that team fight gamble or good synergy with the pokers like ez/cait).

The two have the strongest 'damage' from AP scaling out of the supports, and MAN BACK IN MY DAY OF SONA SUPPORT CARRYING it was all about getting her to 500 ap and being impossible to lose a team fight with. Now this is likely why you're seeing a double support meta growing - supports like Sona/zilean (karma?) are very very very useful with farm, but thats absolutely ****ting up your ranged carry bot if you have them farm in a duo - voila.

Galio is currently filling the role of the support tank as well - people are building him apish and throwing him in support lanes, but he plays his game just like a support would + aoe initiation. He's still considering a little meh to have as the primary tank, but farms really really well (remember galio used to be the best solo in the game by FAR) so he's strong as a solo.

 

[straight8]

wait so are we talking about support in a different meta??? cause im pretty sure this is about like... league of legends now..

did u guys know that morde is a support? he can build rylais and have really good slows on all his spells.
brand is also support cause he kills people and make your team live longer

someone was around, he just isnt ****ing stupid. someone understands that when were talking about support, we mean a champion who isnt going to have farm but still needs to contribute to the team

but you know, more power to you for thinking whatever you want. have fun losing every game as support zilean u will ever play, of gl having your carry down 1500 gold cause u needed to get ap

 

[PhantomX]

Supports are designated so because of the utility of their given kit, not because of their not farming.

Characters that have a lot of carry protecting power are supports... them getting 0 CS is irrelevant.

Obviously the metagame and lane arrangement can and will change if supports need farm.

 

[DanGR]

So I have absolutely no idea how to play AP carries.

What runes should they have?

mpen marks, flat ap quints, ap/lvl glyphs, and choice seals is pretty common.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

mpen marks, flat ap quints, ap/lvl glyphs, and choice seals is pretty common.

Thank you Dan <3

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Ok, whoever said Trundle was a good solo top is so wrong...

>:I

 

[straight8]

beats some champ loses to others.

loses to a lot of popular top lanes, especially early, so very unreliable top

@px

ok sure, utility, thus why brand has utility and so does morde with rylais. also all tanks are supports as well.

however in the current meta supports are champions who give utility without farm. not farming is very relevant, cause thats how they support their entire team

obviously the metagame will change from this, and ive said for a lonnnnnngggg time that 0 cs support is bad. but its not about theory or prediction, we are talking about league of legends....

 

[PhantomX]

^ He's a good choice against tanky DPS that don't have gap closers and deal primarily sustained damage instead of burst.

 

[-Vocal-]

So I have absolutely no idea how to play AP carries.

What runes should they have?

For 90% of ap champs, you're going to want magic penetration reds, m/5/lv yellows, ap/lv blues, and flat ap quints. Of course there are weird ones like Ryze and Akali, but other than champs like that that require specific pages, I think the runes above are all around good. You can also swap in a resistance on the yellows or blues if you really need it (for example, I'd run armor yellows against Pantheon depending on who I'm playing).

You can be a support champ without having to be a 0 CS support.

Someone wasn't around before this ******ry started.

BACK IN MY DAY!!!!

But yea, I remember when 0 cs wasn't necessary. It's kind of ****ty, because if you rebel against it then you just end up gimping your carry compared to the enemy's

yeah... tbh support having 0 cs is quite ****ty.
It's probably why Zilean / Sona seem like the least used bot supports (you're either going soraka/taric or janna for that team fight gamble or good synergy with the pokers like ez/cait).

The two have the strongest 'damage' from AP scaling out of the supports, and MAN BACK IN MY DAY OF SONA SUPPORT CARRYING it was all about getting her to 500 ap and being impossible to lose a team fight with. Now this is likely why you're seeing a double support meta growing - supports like Sona/zilean (karma?) are very very very useful with farm, but thats absolutely ****ting up your ranged carry bot if you have them farm in a duo - voila.

Galio is currently filling the role of the support tank as well - people are building him apish and throwing him in support lanes, but he plays his game just like a support would + aoe initiation. He's still considering a little meh to have as the primary tank, but farms really really well (remember galio used to be the best solo in the game by FAR) so he's strong as a solo.

I just had a thought. Has anyone tried putting one of these farm supports bot with a farm-independent tank? Someone that gets a lot of their tankiness innately, like Leona for example. The tank would take the current support role of picking up some g/5 and letting their lanemate farm, and the support would take the cs like carries currently do. You could get a strong solo carry to take mid or top, like Caitlyn or Corki. Thoughts?

 

[jpak]

garen is really really strong vs melee champs

 

[JTB]

Is karthus actually viable or is he just a good pick against certain teams?

 

[Frolossus]

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