Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Cia]

But he didn't **** on them in that game.

A few things..

That anivia video was hilarious. That was definitely me in my first two games with her.

Pakman's gif was also hilarious.

@M3D why get a second D-ring? You can get a meki pendant for mana regen ans build towards arch-staff. The extra hp is nice, but you'll be tower hugging in a 1v2 and spell vamp should keep you up for a while. I feel like if they decide to dive for you, that extra 120 isn't going to mean much.

Also, I've come to the realization that Evelynn is actually good. Her role is just very different. I was fortunate enough to get queued up with a team that listened to everything I said, responded to every ping, focused anyone with oracle, etc. I lane'd til about Lv 6. Got 3 kills and bought sorc shoes, potions and amp tome. Then I spent most of my time in the opposing jungle ruining their warwick. I got red buff and ganked mid (Ashe). After I immediately got oracle because I knew mid would return with wards. He did and I took them out (which he saw) so he got really defensive letting our kog maw push rather easily.

I eventually got lich bane and i felt like a nuke.. Lol. Mid to late game I spent my time ganking, scouting, warding their jungle, and killing wards + shrooms. I almost never joined team fights unless we had a sure kill. Ravage on their Rammus killed his magic res and armor so my team just melted him haha. 'Twas a really fun game.

also, does anyone like when the soraka on their team does solo mid? I love it because I almost always out live my oppoent. (Kog and vlad are annoying) they end up having to b and miss out on a ton of farm. I go offensive with starcall and silence AND I can global heal while the rest of my team is lv 3. Thoughts?

About Morgana.. I suppose I'll just play her a lot over the next couple of days before she gets *****. I honestly think she's the best caster atm because of how dominant her role is on the team. But my opinion doesn't mean much.

Last thing. I just bought ez and he seems kinda.. weak. Is he still good? And did they nerf sheen?

 

[Mogwai]

they actually buffed Sheen unless you were abusing the resovoir system. in most cases, it's a buff.

for the reasons you listed about eve, most good eves run smite/ghost and just **** with the opposing jungle right from the start. It's pretty lame, lol.

ezreal's still pretty good, but he's fallen out of favor of more traditional carries. he's basically outshined by Trist, Kog, MF, and Twitch.

 

[Crossjeremiah]

kassadin omg is so good. GOING TO STUN ME??? no SILENCE!

 

[prog]

So, about to start up the return of my critplank.

Currently: quint/red: Armor pen, blue/yellow: crit; standard 21/0/9.

avarice x 2
boots 1
BF to Inf Edge
Last Whisper

If it continues, Starks Fervor (if no one else has it)
Phantom Dancer/GA/etc.

How has the GP game changed with Manamune?

 

[Mogwai]

I don't play GP, lol

I would do d-ring -> avarice -> IE -> ghostblade -> veil and atma's and ****.

 

[Sinz]

recruiting in the lol forum xD

Well he said he hated HoN. So I wanted to see why. Maybe change his mind. So I just posted a bunch of info.

 

[Scamp]

If you get three kills IN LANE with Evelynn before level 6...any champ is good against those players.

 

[M3D]

So, official word from red-name Ezreal (Game Designer) is this:

Swain -> Unnamed Light Mage -> Irelia (Melee DPS) -> LeBlanc (Unknown, possibly the Sniper champion he was speaking about.). Another confirmed caster far off into the future named Aeon who is a Time-themed squishy physical-caster that is dps based... or some such. Three females in a row after Swain.

Edit: Scholar Kog'Maw confirmed to being made... but not released.

The new JOJ is out and it looks like that "Unnamed Light Mage" = Lux Crownguard, aka, Garen's sister. She got an article in this issue, just like Sona did about 3 weeks before her release. Based on the name "Lux" its pretty clear she's the light-themed mage. Want to bet she has an ulti that whites out your screen? Wow will that be mad annoying, huh?

 

[SamuraiPanda]

@ SamuraiPanda: aren't you that guy that runs wriggle's lantern on gp??? O_O when i first heard that, i thought it was genius but it doesn't seem to work that well..

Why yes, I am. And I don't know why you don't think it works that well. It is amazing for me and is a staple in my build. I've tried doing other things, but nothing works NEARLY as well on GP for me.

So, about to start up the return of my critplank.

Currently: quint/red: Armor pen, blue/yellow: crit; standard 21/0/9.

avarice x 2
boots 1
BF to Inf Edge
Last Whisper

If it continues, Starks Fervor (if no one else has it)
Phantom Dancer/GA/etc.

How has the GP game changed with Manamune?

Manamune is the worst item in the game (see: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=265471 )

Avarice stacking is a great idea. If you enjoy losing :D

I don't know how viable critplank is. I've been doing it recently, but I play him a bit differently. I dunno, Im still working on my new builds since I decided to redo my playstyle from the ground up.

 

[M3D]

SP, can you post your current Gangplank build?

 

[EC_Joey]

Suggestions on how I could improve my Morgana build?

This is what I'm using currently:
Doran's Ring + Mana Pot
Sorcerer's Shoes
Soul Stealer (only if I'm ****** face)
Zhonya's
Void Staff if they're stacking MR
Rylai's if I'm too squishy
Abyssal Scepter if I want MR
Guardian Angel/lulzy stuff?

 

[Vyke]

Critplank is balls.

Why build two avarice blades when they cost roughly the BF sword you need for Infinity Edge? The early crit? Cool, you're critting for like 300. When I build my BF Sword, my Parrley HITS for 300. And when I get my IE, my parrley hits for 800 on a crit, while a critplank has only just finished his BF Sword.

Just get a Meki/Dorans, lane until you can buy a BF Sword, then go from there. You don't need crit when you can make your Parrley hit like a truck regularly, and make people break down in tears when it DOES crit.

@ Variola: Doran's Ring. Boots. Zhonya. /game

Attempt to reconcile bad HoN gaming experience with completely reasonable claims.

Sorry, but I really don't like it. Pubs are obviously not a good insight into the game, but if I haven't found a reliable duo queue for LoL, I'm not going to find 4 people for HoN.

That and Hard Carries sicken me.

 

[Vyke]

Wow, first double post on this forum ever.

Depression sets in.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

SP, can you post your current Gangplank build?

I'm hesitant to tell because I just thought of it TODAY and haven't really had much time to adjust and reevaluate yet, but this is what I'm working with right now:

9/0/21. Crit chance marks + quints, mp5/level seals + glyphs. Teleport/Ghost, always a solo lane (preferably top, more denies than mid because creeps take longer to get there).

Cloth armor + 5 red pots
Berserker Greaves
Wriggles Lantern
Vampiric Scepter + Cloak of Agility
BF Sword
Infinity Edge
Executioner's Calling

Thats as far as I've gotten right now. Those are in order of "I'll farm until I at LEAST have this item" which is why they are spread a bit. Insert a Green Elixer whenever I have an extra 300g and already have a ward but can't buy my next item. Yes, EVERY single time. Reds occasionally depending on situation.

My current skilling order is 1 point in Raise Moral, max Parrrley, max Remove Scurvy, then max Raise Moral last (which is a new concept to me).

I don't really feel like typing out the reasoning for every little thing (2 exams Friday, not much time on my hands atm) but suffice to say that I believe crit and lifesteal complement each other ABSURDLY well, and GP can capitalize on this combo better than most other characters (b/c he gets lifesteal on Parrrley) so I substitute survivability with lifesteal + remove scurvy until later in the game.

And Executioner's Calling at that point in the build, as strange as it looks, adds as much DPS as a freaking Starks would (not counting the penetration) but also gives the extra dot (I pop banshees with it or nail the kiting Sona) and it gives crit on top of that. I was just doing a bit of mathcrafting when I stumbled on that bit of gold (needed more lifesteal, tried to figure out what to make the vamp into). Although its garbage for DPS pre-IE.


Like I said, still working on it. Thus far Ive been actually ****** pretty hard (only lost games with allies that fed) and there is a logical reason for everything you see. But whether or not its truly viable to do that at higher ELOs... I'm not quite sure just yet. I'm leaning towards no though, which is why I didn't wanna post it. M3D is just too convincing.

 

[Vyke]

Holy balls, Parrley procs Lifesteal? That's more than enough to convince me to buy a Wriggles on him.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Suggestions on how I could improve my Morgana build?

This is what I'm using currently:
Doran's Ring + Mana Pot
Sorcerer's Shoes
Soul Stealer (only if I'm ****** face)
Zhonya's
Void Staff if they're stacking MR
Rylai's if I'm too squishy
Abyssal Scepter if I want MR
Guardian Angel/lulzy stuff?

No mana pot. HP pot for sure. Mejais can easily be a staple of your build, getting it before/after ZR should be determined by amount of face being actively ***** at the time.

Probably get 1-2 more doran's rings to sit on while you farm ZR up so you have some HPs. And ALWAYS pop blue elixers after you have ZR. **** is seriously OP. Depending on your AP, you can be getting ~100 AP and 10% CDR for 300g because of ZR's passive.

Although it may be slow, most successful Morganas I see get RoA before ZR. Takes more farm but she's tanky as balls and freakin' unstoppable with the ZR active. And no, DO NOT start with sapphire.

Runes = Magic pen marks, mp5/lvl seals, flat AP quints, AP/lvl glyphs. Im suggesting AP runes over all magic pen runes because you have black shield.


****IT. NEED TO STUDY >_<

Holy balls, Parrley procs Lifesteal? That's more than enough to convince me to buy a Wriggles on him.

Also one of two abilities in the game that works with Last Whisper's armor penetration (the only other being Pantheon's Spear I believe). There are a lot of things about Pirate people just don't seem to know that I thought were obvious >_>

 

[M3D]

M3D is just too convincing.

So true. My argument was flawless. Glad you saw things my way and gave in.

Found these on the LoL forums, videos of the Chinese WCG matches: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=259782

Jump straight to them here
Day 2:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA3Mjc0MzMy.html
Day 3:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA3NTE1MzU2.html
Day 4:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA3NzY5NDM2.html


Honestly, not impressed. I figured I would jump right to watching the finals on D4 (skip to 20 min mark, everything before that is pre-game stuff and commercials) since I figured that would be the best match. Teams were:

TF, Garen, Amumu, Heimer, Warwick vs. Ashe, Morde, Rammus, Vlad, Taric

The Twisted Fate and Morde were some pretty odd picks, but I thought maybe those guys were specialists with those characters or something. Then the match started and about six minutes into the match, Warwick gets jumped at dragon by jungle Rammus. He tries to flash out and totally screws it up... like... flashes right next to himself instead of over the wall. So I think ... ok... everyone makes a mistake sometimes right?

I watch a little bit longer and the Vlad that is fighting mid against Twisted Fate decides to go after him for a kill, only... he's at under half health and he pops his pool to keep TF from running, so he's got no escape himself. So of course, TF pulls a gold card and when Vlad leaves his pool BAM! He's stunned and dies. Then Rammus comes spinning out of the jungle and tower dives TF. So TF pulls a new gold card and BAM, TF+tower kills Rammus...

I stopped watching then.

I might try to finish the matches tomorrow while I'm working, but I don't have high hopes for China's team in the finals if that's the kind of play we can expect. Very sloppy. Also, I hear one of their best players can't get his visa sorted out, so they will be playing with one of their subs.

I hope somebody gives CLG some trouble in the finals, but its not looking promising. GG world.

 

[Sinz]

Sorry, but I really don't like it. Pubs are obviously not a good insight into the game, but if I haven't found a reliable duo queue for LoL, I'm not going to find 4 people for HoN.

That and Hard Carries sicken me.

Alright ): I just play with one or two of my buddies and have a great time. If you ever decide to try again let me know. I'd love to play with some smashers on HoN.

Why do hard carries sicken you?

If you gank them early they are trash later. A good hard carry depends on having a strong team to 4 v 5 while they farm. If the team isn't good enough then the hard carry is a waste of a hero choice.


The thing that sickens me about pubs is the fact that they won't ****ing push. This is true in Dota pubs, LoL pubs, and HoN pubs. People want to show off by getting sick items instead of ending the game earlier. So many games lost because of pubs not pushing ):

 

[Vyke]

Just the idea in general doesn't sit well with me. If I can't sit down and do well by myself in a game because of some ****** that got free-farm in the pub, I'm not really that concerned with it. Sure, I could solve these problems by going out of my way to find legit teammates.

But I'd rather stick with LoL and be able to pull a team together and overcome early game weakness, rather than have to waste half an hour dealing with *******s that will still be *******s regardless of if we win or not.

 

[EC_Joey]

No mana pot. HP pot for sure. Mejais can easily be a staple of your build, getting it before/after ZR should be determined by amount of face being actively ***** at the time.

Probably get 1-2 more doran's rings to sit on while you farm ZR up so you have some HPs. And ALWAYS pop blue elixers after you have ZR. **** is seriously OP. Depending on your AP, you can be getting ~100 AP and 10% CDR for 300g because of ZR's passive.

Although it may be slow, most successful Morganas I see get RoA before ZR. Takes more farm but she's tanky as balls and freakin' unstoppable with the ZR active. And no, DO NOT start with sapphire.

Runes = Magic pen marks, mp5/lvl seals, flat AP quints, AP/lvl glyphs. Im suggesting AP runes over all magic pen runes because you have black shield.

Thanks a bunch. Praying Morgana doesn't get hard nerfed soon.

 

[Mogwai]

Magic Pen Quints/Glyphs also suck while AP Quints and AP/Level Glyphs are decent.

 

[M3D]

So, I think I wanna get really good at 3s. Nunu is way better there than SR and I always have a good game with him on TT. I've also got Ezreal in the bag if Nunu is picked/banned there. Anyone else here play 3s seriously?

 

[DanGR]

I would if anyone I played with liked it. >_>

I play Shaco and Kennen there, mostly.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Magic Pen Quints/Glyphs also suck while AP Quints and AP/Level Glyphs are decent.

Incorrect, my good man.

So just for ****s and giggles, I decided to play AP Gangplank in a few normals. I... I think he's viable. Possibly more viable than regular Plank even. If I make a few adjustments for builds and what not... he can be stupidly good. Lich Bane procs (and applies) on his parrrley shot, and if I'm correct then he can CRIT the Lich Bane proc on Parrrley because of the unqiue mechanics of the ability.

Critting for 100% of my AP + 100% of my AD on a spell with a 4 second CD (with CDR of course), then healing for 380 + 100% of my AP every 10 seconds, and using a global ultimate with a 72 second CD...

If I play around with different builds, this could actually work...

 

[Mogwai]

Most top elo caster pages use mPen on Marks, but forgo MPen on Glyphs/Quints because full MPen on Quints = 5 and full MPen on Glyphs = 5, whereas you can get 15 Flat AP from AP Quints and 27 AP at 18 from AP/level Glyphs. Shielding/Healing spells aside (where AP is clearly better because they ignore magic resist), it's still typically offensively better to start with 16 more AP and finish with 42 more AP than to get 10 mPen (pending ****ty AP ratios or sources of magic damage that scale off of not-AP, Kat comes to mind).

 

[Leacero]

So, I think I wanna get really good at 3s. Nunu is way better there than SR and I always have a good game with him on TT. I've also got Ezreal in the bag if Nunu is picked/banned there. Anyone else here play 3s seriously?

I play 3's seriously and my main team consisted of me as Zilean with Udyr and Nunu. What it really comes down to is the other team (as always); if you're not going against a stun/disable heavy team, then Nunu is a good choice. Otherwise there are always better choices for 3s (Singed, Mundo, Garen [as always]).

On a related note, ELO decay brought my rating down to like 1561 in 3s since the last 3 times we've attempted ranked 3s we waited over 20 minutes with no match found.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Most top elo caster pages use mPen on Marks, but forgo MPen on Glyphs/Quints because full MPen on Quints = 5 and full MPen on Glyphs = 5, whereas you can get 15 Flat AP from AP Quints and 27 AP at 18 from AP/level Glyphs. Shielding/Healing spells aside (where AP is clearly better because they ignore magic resist), it's still typically offensively better to start with 16 more AP and finish with 42 more AP than to get 10 mPen (pending ****ty AP ratios or sources of magic damage that scale off of not-AP, Kat comes to mind).

http://www.clgaming.net/board/index.php?page=Thread&postID=2548#post2548

You have to take that mathcrafting into account, the scaling of your character into account, and your build order as well. If your caster peaks around level 6 (like my AP Gragas does) then magic penetration is the better choice. There are tons of factors to think about when optomizing a specific character. Most "top ELO caster pages" aren't 100% optimized. They just work good enough.

However, if you use items like Lich Bane, then AP runes are the way to go for obvious reasons.

 

[ruin`]

^^ might have became a fan of samurai panda ;P.

 

[Mogwai]

it's math crafting vs. targets that essentially invest in no magic resist and also discounts the lost value of MPen when you invest in a Void Staff. *shrugs* I don't care enough to mathcraft it out, but that's a very simplistic set of mathcraft.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Which is exactly why I said that wasn't totally inclusive and there are actually a massive amount of variables to take into account.

 

[Scamp]

Samurai Fanda?

 

[ruin`]

Sure, each game that plays out has tons of variables to consider. However, the fact that players are thinking about the math on paper should help them to make well thought out decisions in game on the fly based on the information in their head regarding item purchases.

in short: think more out of game=less time needed to think in game.

 

[Vyke]

So I finally came across somebody in the game today that held me in awe of just how ****ing good he was... at Veigar.

I head mid with Vlad, grab a drink, and come back to see our WW has died to a 5 man gank. Alright, bad start, no big deal... Warwick is hard to shut down. So then I see that their Veigar took mid and I grin to myself. This will be a good game. (Veigar took mid when they had Tristana and Teemo. yes, teemo.)

Then he pecks at me a few times with Q, and I giggle a bit. Harassing with Q on Veigar? This will be a REALLY good game. I'm Vlad, I'll get it all back and he'll be out of mana. But then I notice... he isn't running out of mana. The guy chucked Balefuls at me left and right as if they were pantheon spears and still managed to last hit farm with them. I die to a Veigar combo because this Veigar outlaned me, even after I hit level 9.

We still won because his team didn't support the guy at all, but he died three times total and none of them were because he was focused first. He wrecked our team time and time again, but we proceeded to win because of the weakness in his other teammates compared to ours.

If I could shake this guy's hand, I would have. And I really hope he rises in the ladders. Name was Riym.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Shockingly enough, there are people that are "amazingly good" at every character in the game. I do believe I've played against/with every "best" of most low/mid tier characters (because there aren't exactly people who are the "best" at high/top tiers) and it'll shock you how good some champs can be. But if you just use your head and remember WHY they are low tiers, you can counter them fairly easily.


In other news, I was 7 ELO from breaking 1700 again (about **** time) and I get a game vs a team of ALL magic damage but we have a Galio on our team. From the get go it shoulda been a GG for us as long as nobody fed (which people did, but thats besides the point). But after getting aced twice in a row, I realized our Galio had mercs and Needlessly Large Rod. Nothing else. The idiot decides to spec as AP GALIO in a game where Galio should have been absolute domination.

He was 1500. Nearly 200 ELO lower than me. *** MM.

 

[Vyke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6NBtH0ijt8

MUNDO

 

[Vex Kasrani]

How is Rammus, he has a Bowser skin and I wanna play him now!

 

[Vyke]

You won't be able to get that skin, sadly. It was handed out to Beta testers only.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

You won't be able to get that skin, sadly. It was handed out to Beta testers only.

Seriously.... lol....

 

[Vyke]

Yeah. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't play Rammus. He's too legit to not play. But he's usually a better choice against DPS heavy teams.

 

[Mogwai]

Shockingly enough, there are people that are "amazingly good" at every character in the game. I do believe I've played against/with every "best" of most low/mid tier characters (because there aren't exactly people who are the "best" at high/top tiers) and it'll shock you how good some champs can be. But if you just use your head and remember WHY they are low tiers, you can counter them fairly easily.


In other news, I was 7 ELO from breaking 1700 again (about **** time) and I get a game vs a team of ALL magic damage but we have a Galio on our team. From the get go it shoulda been a GG for us as long as nobody fed (which people did, but thats besides the point). But after getting aced twice in a row, I realized our Galio had mercs and Needlessly Large Rod. Nothing else. The idiot decides to spec as AP GALIO in a game where Galio should have been absolute domination.

He was 1500. Nearly 200 ELO lower than me. *** MM.

I keep playing with people in the 1400s. I dunno wtf fubared MM, but it sucks. I honestly just run SotO and Leviathan right now because early game is such a feeding frenzy against these ****ing terrible players. I'm still pissed I tanked into the mid 1500s, but oh well, if I keep feeding off terrible players I'll eventually get back where I belong.