Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Ussi]

Doublelift was secretly NWS's adc for that game

 

[Dre89]

Random question, but how good is Akali top? I remember awhile back Shaya was singing her praises as a top laner. I don't know the champion well, but I want to learn a top laner that lanes similar to Shen (Q spam, energy, utility spell, gapcloser eg.) but don't want to play Shen because I'm sick of getting 1v1'd by people who I'm literally hundreds of gold ahead of.

I know she's known as a teamfighting assassin but how good is she as a 1v1ing splitpusher?

 

[teluoborg]

If you're getting 1v1'd as Shen when you're ahead gold wise it means you're probably doing something wrong.

Like not building Statikk.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ew Statikk? I like Wit's End a lot more.

 

[Sinister Slush]

The sparks tho

 

[Dre89]

If you're getting 1v1'd as Shen when you're ahead gold wise it means you're probably doing something wrong.

Like not building Statikk.

Yeah I'm building full tank. Even then I've been 1v1'd by a Mundo and Voli when I had 2-3 tank items and they just had 1. I once got 1v1d as by a 2 1 J4 when I was 8 1 (full tank). We just used our abilities on each other and he won.

If I pay Shen again I'm just gonna rush a Trinity Force first item or something.

 

[Player-3]

build ionic spark on shen

 

[teluoborg]

Why go Ionic Spark when you can go 3 HoG tho

 

[PhantomX]

Innervating Locket is what you really want on Shen.

 

[Boofy!]

Force of Nature to help with the magic damage imo

 

[adumbrodeus]

those 4v5s where you're winning by a giant margin in kills but they just gradually choke you out with map pressure and rotations, such a heartbreaker.

 

[Shaya]

those 4v5s where you're winning by a giant margin in kills but they just gradually choke you out with map pressure and rotations, such a heartbreaker.

IMO it's natural to be in that situation depending on team comp. People scaling by levels on by a lot on the 4v5 team are going to be getting levels faster, if teams plan for it at 1 minute in, you so often find a hard working 4 man team able to hold their own for a very long time. It doesn't matter though if the enemy has one of like... Ziggs, Old Gragas, etc. There's just no way for a team to be able to (as you say) out rotate, and if they're in a position in which they force the enemy into base, they just aren't capable of forcing the tower to be taken, and during that time they just catch up in gold/xp/etc.

Every time I "win" a 5v4 I legitimately don't feel bad for them if they were winning early. That 'result' does not automatically mean they would've won if it was 5v5. As a single/solo player, being able to control 12.5% "of the game" rather than 10% is just as unfair to the enemy team's five in every way other than the whole out-rotating/stalling factor.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I swear ive won more 4v5s than ive won 5v4s

 

[Ussi]

I won way too many 5v4s that probably would have lost if 5v5

 

[adumbrodeus]

IMO it's natural to be in that situation depending on team comp. People scaling by levels on by a lot on the 4v5 team are going to be getting levels faster, if teams plan for it at 1 minute in, you so often find a hard working 4 man team able to hold their own for a very long time. It doesn't matter though if the enemy has one of like... Ziggs, Old Gragas, etc. There's just no way for a team to be able to (as you say) out rotate, and if they're in a position in which they force the enemy into base, they just aren't capable of forcing the tower to be taken, and during that time they just catch up in gold/xp/etc.

Every time I "win" a 5v4 I legitimately don't feel bad for them if they were winning early. That 'result' does not automatically mean they would've won if it was 5v5. As a single/solo player, being able to control 12.5% "of the game" rather than 10% is just as unfair to the enemy team's five in every way other than the whole out-rotating/stalling factor.

I was playing zilean .

But at the same time, being a man down is crazy loss in map pressure early game, how do you handle being in a 1v2 as a lone support if your opponents chose to deny you, or force it into tower and roam. Our rotations were better cause we were able to constantly find 3v2 or 4v3 fights or something, it was just that even with wins because of a combination of comp and the fact it was our adc gone we weren't able to make a dent in their structures and they could just split us to death (their comp was frankly, amazing at splitting).

Unrelated note, malz seems absolutely insane in solo queue, why isn't this champ played more?

 

[Ussi]

Well Talon was a thing before.. dunno about now. I prefer to use Malzahar in the jungle though.

 

[Z'zgashi]

how do you handle being in a 1v2 as a lone support if your opponents chose to deny you, or force it into tower and roam.

Be Thresh and outplay the **** out of everyone.

 

[adumbrodeus]

unfortunately our poor sona was not thresh, that said she did outplay the **** out of everyone in the lane and set up for some terrific ganks.

 

[Z'zgashi]

See, if she was Thresh, you wouldve won.

 

[adumbrodeus]

enemy team picked thresh first

 

[Z'zgashi]

No wonder you guys lost.

 

[Dre89]

Well Talon was a thing before.. dunno about now. I prefer to use Malzahar in the jungle though.

I don't think they should have removed his silence. Talon was always balanced around using the silence to guarantee a kill, but being vulnerable afterward due to having no dash/reliable escapes. Kass and Leblanc needed their silences removed because they could hard CC someone, kill them in that timeframe then dash away to safety. They had no weaknesses as assassins so they needed the hard CC removed. Talon's guaranteed kill with the hard CC was balanced by his lack of escape. Now he has no hard CC to guarantee a kill on someone with a dash or hard CC themselves, and unlike assassins like Zed who also lack hard CC he doesn't have a reliable escape.

I think Riot normally does a good job with balancing but I think they messed up here.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Talon is a hard case to balance because he's based around AoE assassination which is a ridiculously idiotic concept. At least Zed's AoE is relatively limited (even though it's still ****in' stupid).

 

[Shaya]

mt2222: malz top most dmg ezpz
mt2222: banner op

It's so easy for a stranger to make you happy
#BannerMalzOP

I think playing him in other roles other than mid is actually good for him, haha. Not being the centre focus for the enemy team to kill just allows him those extra few seconds needed to get a second rotation, makes his ultimate a double edged sword for the enemy to cancel, etc etc. I love it actually.

I should really just man up rename myself Malzahar Only already and #yolostream it or something, with great effect.

 

[Zano]

you have to wear some kind of funny hat, maybe a turban

 

[Dre89]

mt2222: malz top most dmg ezpz
mt2222: banner op

It's so easy for a stranger to make you happy
#BannerMalzOP

I think playing him in other roles other than mid is actually good for him, haha. Not being the centre focus for the enemy team to kill just allows him those extra few seconds needed to get a second rotation, makes his ultimate a double edged sword for the enemy to cancel, etc etc. I love it actually.

I should really just man up rename myself Malzahar Only already and #yolostream it or something, with great effect.

Well if you go top he'd just be even easier to gank than he is in mid. Then again Ryze is an easy gank and he goes top so...

Also, I know everyone will rage at me for this, but I think Q max/evolve on Kha is better than W. Q just does so much more damage. It has literally less than half the CD of W so you can do twice as many, and at the third of the mana cost of a max rank W. W also has more use with less points or no evolution because it still has a 20% slow and good AD scaling. A 30% increase on your slow is good but to me it doesn't seem worth sacrificing a lot damage and mana for it.

 

[Shaya]

Thing with being an easy gank top is that the enemy laner has a reason to be near you usually, the amount of time to react is small. most of the top laners I go against as Malzahar can't stand within 800 units of him, and cannot last hit near minions while I am. So generally that level of distance/respect enemy has to give me has made him surprisingly safe. At least on purple side.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Lux support is also pretty OP. I make sure I build Meja's as my first item so I can build stacks as early as possible and then sorc boots. I always make sure to buy Frostfang as my first item, because that's what distinguishes me from building mid-lane. The following is the rune page I like to use in normals: http://i.imgur.com/nKOqN6o.jpg and I use the second page for my ranked games: http://i.imgur.com/xvpf5KZ.jpg. I try to make sure I let the adc know that we're going to be sharing CS in the bot lane, but by the time I finish building my meja's and using my ult to farm, they get the idea that I'm building mid but playing as a functional support. This is my usual final support build: http://i.imgur.com/A8QjyOh.jpg

For some reason though I always end up on a really crappy team that doesn't do well in late game so I end up losing. Usually my ADC is absolute trash and has incredibly limited effectiveness while I do way better than the enemy support.

 

[john!]

apparently september 10th to october 7th is over 4 weeks long??

****ing riot

 

[Dre89]

I'm surprised that Feral Flare is still the go-to jungle item for Rengar. Hopefully someone could shed some light on this for me, because I thought Lizard would be better due to the sustain and it gives you more burst early-mid game.

Also do people still build AD Rengar in soloque or is everyone going brutaliser-tank now...

 

[Sinister Slush]

Feral flare gives stacks on kills/assists along with attack speed needed to clear jungle faster since he's single target.
Rengar gets bonetooth stacks on kills/assists. You do the math.

And yes, depending if they get fed full ad, if behind prolly sit on cutlass for lifesteal and slow to keep chasing if bola misses or Brut for cdr.

 

[Dre89]

Well remember the necklace stacks no longer give AD, so you'll have comparatively low AD if you don't get Lizard.

So if you go FF do you rush cutlass or brutaliser first? Cutlass rush makes more sense with FF because you have no sustain in the jungle, but all the Worlds Rengars were going brutaliser after FF.

 

[teluoborg]

Rengar already has some built in sustain, and the feral flare grants a little of it too. Plus when you buy FF you don't put gold into mana regen.

 

[Dre89]

Rengar already has some built in sustain, and the feral flare grants a little of it too. Plus when you buy FF you don't put gold into mana regen.

FF only heals 10 health on hit and that doesn't increase with stacks anymore, so the healing doesn't scale at all. Also correct me if I'm wrong but isn't his only natural sustain empowered W? It's pretty poor sustain because not only is it infrequent, but not using empowered Qs hurts your clear times.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Not counting solo queue if you watched any of the worlds matches the past two weeks. Any rengar picks quite literally held onto 5 stacks for 1-4 minutes without using it once. Cause they still go FF, too busy warding and just keeping the 5 stacks incase something actually happened.

I was getting annoyed cause of how long they kept those 5 stacks. But either way, point is sometimes it's not good to just randomly spam your 5 stacks cause you never know if you have to ult and gank or what. And the W sustain is plenty enough cause lower the health, more it'll give back.

 

[john!]

i just lost diamond because riot's system didn't register a few games that i played and the ranking decayed before it should have:

i just didn't think it would be such blatant bad luck. usually nobody else can see the bull**** i have to put up with.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Master tier ****ing up the server itself
Holy fugg

 

[Zano]

shaya, how moist does this make you

 

[Sinister Slush]

Everything about that looks good except the face. Which has been the story for almost every single splash update they've done this entire month. Even udyr, too bad his model doesn't look like the art lol.

 

[Zano]

Yeah, I can't begin to describe how much the face on shyvana's splash ruins the entire thing for me