Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[#HBC | ZoZo]

yeah cdr is readily available but because cdr becomes more valuable the more you have, getting to 40% is optimal. all im saying is just because its easy to get to 20 or 30% doesnt mean its bad to have that extra from runes

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Karma Mid relies and even sometimes support Karma relies on you having CDR runes.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

A lot of mids like it. 20% cdr item + 10 from runes/masteries + blue..

 

[adumbrodeus]

Blue elixer?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

yeh, blue.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I mean if you're playing mid you have access to blue buff and blue elixer

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Sooo either you dump 250 gold constantly in elixers next to the copious amounts of wards a proper midlaner needs, plus items, plus consumables to not lose lane... or you get runes and sacrifice marginal MR. You can even run Armor/Health yellows instead of 9x Armor (which you really should do regardless imo) to compensate.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Or you buy it for lynchpin fights and endgame when you have nothing else to do with your gold, it's a gigantic power spike for only 250 gold and if you're already at 40% cdr you're wasting stats

 

[Ussi]

The only time I opt for 40% CDR through items is when I'm doing ionian's boots + 20% CDR item to hit 40% with 1 item + boots for a huge powerspike early game. Its so critical for skirmishes that your ult comes back 20+ seconds sooner than normal, especially for supports and their game changing ults. 20 minutes into a game and being able to ult every minute makes roaming that much more deadly from you.

 

[Player-3]

i lied john, aerodromes posts are the worst thing to happen to this thread next to mine ur in the clear

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Or you buy it for lynchpin fights and endgame when you have nothing else to do with your gold, it's a gigantic power spike for only 250 gold and if you're already at 40% cdr you're wasting stats

On top of inventory space (pink, green, pots, boots, other items) plus cost, this is just unreliable at best.

The only time I opt for 40% CDR through items is when I'm doing ionian's boots + 20% CDR item to hit 40% with 1 item + boots for a huge powerspike early game. Its so critical for skirmishes that your ult comes back 20+ seconds sooner than normal, especially for supports and their game changing ults. 20 minutes into a game and being able to ult every minute makes roaming that much more deadly from you.

I mean yeah, that's most optimal. There are some non-mages that just want 40% cdr though, Maokai comes to mind. Frozen Heart + Locket... Where's your last 10% coming from? Runes/masteries, please... that or wait another 3k gold on Visage, which isn't bad but that's 5 items into your build without Thornmail, GA, or Warmogs. Riven gets brut and ionian, where's your last 10%? etc etc

That said I saw Faker's TF do a thing earlier where he got early Ionian and a blue pot and just started ulting things. Was super legit, should try that **** out.

 

[adumbrodeus]

On top of inventory space (pink, green, pots, boots, other items) plus cost, this is just unreliable at best.

Elixers are auto-applied with a full inventory.

AP is 21.75 gold each in value, so the ap is a min of 543.75 gold worth of stats.

The CDR is 316.5 gold worth.

That means that a blue elixer is 860.25 worth of stats for 250 gold min, no single other item will give you anywhere near the value of that in rented stats which makes it perfect for objective fights because a ton of gold is on the line due to the potential number of kills that can occur. I don't see how that's unreliable.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Wasn't your idea to get a blue elixer for situations in which you need the powerspike? Like when you're walking out of base?

Let me pose a question: if blue elixer is so potent, why isn't it regularily picked up during high elo solo queue or pro games next to full build games?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Wasn't your idea to get a blue elixer for situations in which you need the powerspike? Like when you're walking out of base?

What i'm suggesting is you pick it up when you're planning on forcing a big fight. Yep, it totally alerts your enemies you're doing so, but it's more for when you're expecting a 5v5, not when you're sneaking something.

Let me pose a question: if blue elixer is so potent, why isn't it regularily picked up during high elo solo queue or pro games next to full build games?

It isn't? LMQ does it pretty often at the very least, and I've seen it decently often otherwise in pro play. They wouldn't sacrifice completing a big item for it, but it's pretty common when people are looking to make plays in the next 3 minutes

 

[Z'zgashi]

Let me pose a question: if blue elixer is so potent, why isn't it regularily picked up during high elo solo queue or pro games next to full build games?

It is lol.

 

[Player-3]

why would u buy a blue elixer rengar scales much better with red elixers

 

[adumbrodeus]

I know this is hard to believe but some people *gasp* play champs other then rengar.

I don't understand why they'd do it either.

 

[Player-3]

are u serious lol alright im done with this thread people not playing rengar pce

 

[Z'zgashi]

I dont play Rengar.

 

[john!]

i only play rengar like 85% of the time cuz sometimes i have to support and my support rengar isn't as good as my other rengars

 

[Espy Rose]

I liked old Rengar better.

 

[Shaya]

I liked old Rengar better.

Was he a clown?

 

[Espy Rose]

Get Shaco's nose out of your well toned ass.

 

[adumbrodeus]

People sometimes pick rengar before me #saddestlyfeNA

 

[KuroganeHammer]

No one picks Rengar here, but if they do, they go 3/24

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That means you should pick Shaco instead

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What i'm suggesting is you pick it up when you're planning on forcing a big fight. Yep, it totally alerts your enemies you're doing so, but it's more for when you're expecting a 5v5, not when you're sneaking something.

Oops, enemy forced a dragon dance/fight in a situation you didn't expect. Sure wish I could have 40% cdr right now.
Mhm, I am behind in gold and need a power boost to deal with laning. Hope this lasts until a teamfight situation.
I'm forced back with 1700 gold, and I need a NLR or I probably won't be able to pick up that amount of gold for a while. I also need wards and would like consumables.

Unreliable. Yes, it's a good bandaid solution. That's about it. idek why we're arguing at this point tho

It isn't? LMQ does it pretty often at the very least, and I've seen it decently often otherwise in pro play. They wouldn't sacrifice completing a big item for it, but it's pretty common when people are looking to make plays in the next 3 minutes

It is lol.

I see top laners pick up Red Elixers when they build an early offensive item and then force a dragon, but even that is less prevalent within the TP meta because fights can happen at any time really. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the entire LMQ vs Curse set I saw no blue elixers until later in the game. Timestamps?

 

[Z'zgashi]

If youre talking specifically early game, then its very situational, especially in the current meta, so you dont see it much and even then its only on specific AP mid/top champs. If you're talking about full games, you see them all the time mid/late game to prepare for an objective.

Im sure you knew all that, but I dont know what else you could be asking.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If youre talking specifically early game, then its very situational, especially in the current meta, so you dont see it much and even then its only on specific AP mid/top champs. If you're talking about full games, you see them all the time mid/late game to prepare for an objective.

Im sure you knew all that, but I dont know what else you could be asking.

What I'm asking is basically
"Is blue elixer reliable enough to replace getting an actual cdr item"
and I think the answer is no.

 

[Shaya]

I start buying blue elixirs early on nearly all my carry ap mages. Blue Buff + Blue Elixir is a very conveniently timed thing and is a huge spike.

 

[Z'zgashi]

What I'm asking is basically
"Is blue elixer reliable enough to replace getting an actual cdr item"
and I think the answer is no.

If you need CDR immediately and dont have enough money at the time, yes, but its more a temporary thing to tide you over until you get the money for your actual CDR item.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I start buying blue elixirs early on nearly all my carry ap mages. Blue Buff + Blue Elixir is a very conveniently timed thing and is a huge spike.

See I'm always on the lookout to go back to lane with an elixer of any kind, but I never have the right money for it between a powerspike item, wards, and pots.

 

[BSL]

i lied john, aerodromes posts are the worst thing to happen to this thread next to mine ur in the clear

I'm glad we can agree on something everything

 

[Sinister Slush]

Haven't read a single post on this blue elixir/cdr crap.
But Blue pot eve jungle was a funny thing to see. Along with the old blue pot rumble top.

 

[teluoborg]

Not as funny as red pot on every single AD champion ever.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I really miss green pot now that I think about it, lol

Also PROJECT: Yasuo is available!

 

[Shaya]

See I'm always on the lookout to go back to lane with an elixer of any kind, but I never have the right money for it between a powerspike item, wards, and pots.

When I mean early I guess I mean just skidding between laning phase/otherwise. I'll always try to have a blue elixir available if a dragon fight is imminent and I wouldn't grab it for in-lane shenanigans like people with red pot were doing (well, once or twice I've decided to buy it when I've been camped and have been behind; I think I should keep that one in mind more often now the thought came up). Otherwise I tend to know when my character is at the point where we should group and end the game (Malzahar just does that; okay!?!?!?! "oh I have a single completed item and the enemy laner doesn't yet [maybe they just backed to do it!!!!], time to force the end of laning phase by calling 1 or maybe 2 others to stand near me as I annihilate 2-3 turrets" god bless soloqueue reaction speeds [god I love how ignorant people are on Voidling damage, Malz can take two mid turrets by the time a mid laner can walk back after backing, lol; I just don't on my lonesome because it means a terrible position for Kha to jump on me]).

But yeah, try elixir + blue buff as some sort of 5-6 minute rotation of play making (dragon/bottom lane/blitzing down mid), it's very good.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/09/94-pbe-update.html

Galactic Azir and Bug Khaxiz splash arts

Along with creepy updated Cassiopeia splash

 

[Sinister Slush]

At least Cass eyes actually look like a snakes now.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I guess, but the art style is very unusual. Other splash arts look painted, this one looks like they grabbed a CGI model or something.