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I'd rather a game reset where we go back to early season 1.
I'm still waiting for Riot to offer Season 1 servers for a monthly fee. I don't care how much, I'll pay it and play it. And you'd likely never see me on a normal server again.

You can keep the items though, old taric with reaver would be swell~
Actually so would Olaf.
Actually, so would a lot of characters who actually have real mana costs, because it's season 1 and it has real mana costs.
 
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Id be fine with them remaking Caitlyn. And since they are planning on giving her a visual update somewhere down the line with a possible change to her look altogether, they could always do it along with that. I mean, she's supposed to feel like a sniper apparently, and imo she doesnt feel ANYTHING like a sniper at all. Only thing sniper like in her kit is her ult.
 

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Caitlyn being anything remotely viable has been the cause of this game's toxicity and downhill trend ever since they buffed her to not be ****.
There never was a realistic way for a metagame to deal with "free" 650 range auto attacks without significantly upping the power creep scales. They've been biting themselves in the ass ever since.

Here's a conversation I had with Ezreal about Caitlyn 3+ years ago (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=6868212#6868212)

About Caitlyn.
In my opinion last patch she wasn't that bad, she had a strong early game, a very very mediocre middle game but a feasibly very strong late game. In comparison to many other carries, it's a great dynamic (I often find that team comps should be more than just the basic character archetypes but also consider game phases [i.e. you want good early game characters, mid game characters and late game characters]).

Anyway, that wasn't the main point.
The main thing I have an issue with is the power creep that has been instantly added to the game by having a character with 650 range carry throughout the laning phase (Trist isn't that high early levels, kog is only temporary, twitch is only temporary [at level 6], etc). Through this one stat, you've instantly made a ton of characters absolutely fail against her who aren't getting outplayed, they just do not have the options to over come her.

She isn't too bad in solo lanes, because yes, she has a lot less DPS than other carries early on, just very nice harassment and pretty much always the ability to last hit. But I think its almost obnoxious when played in a duo lane. As a melee character, I can be sitting next to a turret and not be able to last hit MELEE MINIONS AT THE TURRET without her being able to freely auto attack without getting tower aggro. If she pushes someone with range to their tower, the standard 550 can't auto attack range creeps without being in her auto attack range either. Most characters don't have gap closers, most characters who do don't reach 650 range with them. This is amplified with her [now] high damage q being able to be shot towards creeps with low health, denying your ability to last hit them without getting hit...

Do you really think this sniper champion will ever be able to be fairly balanced with such a large upgrade to the standards? Annie has 625 range, I know, but she doesn't scale with AD at all, doesn't carry armor penetration, doesn't have an aoe ad scaling skill shot at twice her range to supplement harass, etc etc.

No I don't think Cait is OP; hell she may still be a bit UP, I just think you're going down a very dangerous path of making a large majority of older characters unviable unless they're bunked up to be able to handle this new standard.

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Re from Ezreal:
While I understand you citing power creep on range, I would like to assure you that you shouldn't worry about that. Caitlyn is our 'Sniper' champion, it's not like we will release a sniperier champion in the future. I honestly don't see us increasing the range again, or at least not for a very long time (I could see an artillery based character, but to me that was Kog'Maw).
You may recall the Caitlyn powercreep post, I think you misinterpreted.
I did indeed doubt that you would make another 'snipeier' champion, but more that for other characters to actually handle 650 range (if she ever was to become a high tier ranged carry), a lot of character's specs would have to be buffed.
That foresight + lol at pre-ad carry + support bot meta.
 
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I like how his answer to your everything was "don't worry we won't release another champion with more range than caitlyn. She stays the most annoying ranged AD"

I would be fine if Caitlyn again was removed from league or notched her Auto attack range to 625, Q less damage and E doesn't take her as far. Maybe the distance of two graves/lucian dashes since her current one is close to 4 of them.
 

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What if her range was lowered, but she gained range for each point she puts in ult? Ending up with slightly higher auto range at level 16?
 

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Change caitlyn's passive to

"for every second not auto attacking, your range increases by X up to 650 (700+ maybe? or upgrade the max at 6/11/16) and deal moar damage", resets on auto attack.

PREP YOUR SNIPER SHOTS KIDS.
Doesn't change the fact that the game has had to adapt/creep up to needing counters to 650 range when the standard is 550.
 
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Lets give a champ 650 auto range.. Lets also give her an escape for when people get in on her! Also got to make it slow the target for free pot shots for thinking they could come in! In fact lets let it combo with her Q!
 

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As a support main, it's so frustrating to see they pick Cait. If you don't have a support with a heal or a shield, you feel useless when she goes to AA, because of her obnoxious range. I've been using Lulu to help pix and then glitterlance to poke at her, but it's mana heavy early until you get your chalice. Likewise, the shield is great to mitigate the harass.
 

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I come here with words of wisdom.
Don't waste your IP on runes.
My friend has a silver 1 account and he has never bought a single rune.
If you're any good at the game, you can work around the weaknesses of not using them.
Besides, masteries are helpful enough, and they are free.
So don't waste your time and IP; just buy all the champions instead.
That's funner anyways. :3
 

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So basically what youre saying is your friend could be Gold but he doesnt buy runes?
 

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Change caitlyn's passive to

"for every second not auto attacking, your range increases by X up to 650 (700+ maybe? or upgrade the max at 6/11/16) and deal moar damage", resets on auto attack.

PREP YOUR SNIPER SHOTS KIDS.
Doesn't change the fact that the game has had to adapt/creep up to needing counters to 650 range when the standard is 550.
orr 600, don't forget Ashe plz, :(
 

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To be fair gashi there's people that can get to challenger with just two rune pages.
Usually must be cause they always get their role I guess while 2nd one mostly being an ap page while the AD page can kinda sorta work for most junglers.
 

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To be fair gashi there's people that can get to challenger with just two rune pages.
Usually must be cause they always get their role I guess while 2nd one mostly being an ap page while the AD page can kinda sorta work for most junglers.
No I get that, you just need to get pages that cover the basics and be sure to play champs who can work well with just basic stats.

But having no runes at all is just literally going into every game with less stats than your opponent which means you're basically at a disadvantage every single game.
 

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Yah which was my point kinda.
If people can do that with just two rune pages, albeit a bit harder, people can get kinda high with no runes but masteries giving them a tad bit of stats.

Though he should really buy runes lol.
 

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I have 80k IP, all champions, almost every rune I'd ever need, and riot keep spamming me with **** offering 4-win IP boosts.
**** them.

I only play 'Shaya' for ranked teams + avoiding solo queue decay. I need things to spend IP on. I'd go ham on name changes if I could reserve the name shaya at the same time~_~
 
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"almost every rune I'd ever need"

You know what to do then. Buy every rune, get to 20 pages, it should be a good starter.
 

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okay, scratch that
EVERY RUNE I'D EVER NEED unless I wanted to go secondary runes of every stat. I don't have scaling quints of many things, but that's about it.
 
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I like how his answer to your everything was "don't worry we won't release another champion with more range than caitlyn. She stays the most annoying ranged AD"

I would be fine if Caitlyn again was removed from league or notched her Auto attack range to 625, Q less damage and E doesn't take her as far. Maybe the distance of two graves/lucian dashes since her current one is close to 4 of them.
Dat exaggeration though. Not sure if trolling, or objectively wrong.

Relentless Pursuit
RANGE: 425
Quickdraw
RANGE: 425

90 Caliber Net
RANGE: 950
ACTIVE: Caitlyn fires a net, knocking herself back 400 units in the opposite direction.

Caitlyn's gap close is actually LESS then Lucian/Graves, and if you meant the skillshot (not sure why relevant) it's already only the distance of two of them.
 

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you play too much league of legends
I just abused the two or three double IP weekends we've gotten a bit toooooooooooo hard, when I knew I'd be playing league for a solid period of time straight I used to buy daily IP boosts as well (iono, still probably worth, as double or quadra IP has probably netted me 200k-ish IP over the years). I don't know when it came about me owning all champions (IIRC, I bought Sejuani new then Swain to officially own everyone) and barely kept up with the 6300 IP per 2 weeks up until they slowed down releases. 60 matches in two weeks still seems like a lot more league than I think I played at that point, but alas, I must've.
 
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I honestly do not care what the range is, difference is her get away does damage, pushes her back and slows the target while also getting further away from the enemy just to Q you if her escape lands.

Yes it's in exaggeration. Please leave. You're missing the point lol.

Edit: To add on since you're throwing numbers around
Lucian 550 + 425 dash = 975
Lucian can either Ult or use W to do damage after dash since obviously not in range to do damage
Graves 525 AA Range + 425 dash = 950
Smokescreen just the right amount of range to use and Ult about all he can do.

Caitlyn 650 range + 400 = 1050
Aside from the autos she's been slamming in your face, the damage/slow from her net, and 1300 range Q she can also ult once you start running away at low health cause you can't catch her compared to lucian or graves with their incredibly smaller range and not so hard damage dealing abilities not counting their ults that're on a longer cooldown than caitlyns until level 3 ult of lucian finally surpasses caits level 3 ult.
 
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To make it worse, this patch nerfs lucian (thankfully, even I was getting tired of how good/safe a pick he was) and makes the rise of auto reliant champs like cait kog trist and twitch (even tho he was already at the top, but ghostblade tho) most likely the new ADs once 4.10 hits LCS.

Man 4.11 gonna give BT 10% AD and shield lasting for 25 seconds, but dunno if that'll be enough cause what's 10% when people don't even find 3 points into warlord (5%) that good. Dunno if I'm willing to still pay 3.5k for 90 or so ad when I can go bork ghostblade and some dblades and dish out more damage because of % damage armor pen attack speed from those two items and the CDR from nippon steel blade helps a bit.
 

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I honestly do not care what the range is, difference is her get away does damage, pushes her back and slows the target while also getting further away from the enemy just to Q you if her escape lands.

Yes it's in exaggeration. Please leave. You're missing the point lol.

Edit: To add on since you're throwing numbers around
Lucian 550 + 425 dash = 975
Lucian can either Ult or use W to do damage after dash since obviously not in range to do damage
Graves 525 AA Range + 425 dash = 950
Smokescreen just the right amount of range to use and Ult about all he can do.

Caitlyn 650 range + 400 = 1050
Aside from the autos she's been slamming in your face, the damage/slow from her net, and 1300 range Q she can also ult once you start running away at low health cause you can't catch her compared to lucian or graves with their incredibly smaller range and not so hard damage dealing abilities not counting their ults that're on a longer cooldown than caitlyns until level 3 ult of lucian finally surpasses caits level 3 ult.
LOL! I love it when people are wrong and try to justify themselves. That wasn't the context, so you can't fault me for not knowing it. You said: "I would be fine if........E doesn't take her as far."
I made no comment about a Lucian/Graves matchup with Caitlyn, just merely the facts around their gap closers.

And well actually for comparison, I'd say Lucian's E does counter Caitlyn's E straight up. It has longer range, and it nullifies the slow component. Sorry, not going to respond to rest of your post hoc justification, didn't bother reading it :)
 

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Was mostly directing if a melee tank or somebody else was trying to reach the ad, not specifically ad vs ad cause that 1v1 doesn't happen very often.
But if you wanna make the excuse to not discuss with "lel I was right and ur a ****** for falling for my bait :^DDDDD" then go fer it.

Oh wait a minute, a debater icon. Like Dre. yah nvm ok I concede. I'm an idiot for just noticing the icon.
 
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I have 80k IP, all champions, almost every rune I'd ever need, and riot keep spamming me with **** offering 4-win IP boosts.
**** them.

I only play 'Shaya' for ranked teams + avoiding solo queue decay. I need things to spend IP on. I'd go ham on name changes if I could reserve the name shaya at the same time~_~
Don't worry, no one wants that name anyway : ^)
 

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Was mostly directing if a melee tank or somebody else was trying to reach the ad, not specifically ad vs ad cause that 1v1 doesn't happen very often.
But if you wanna make the excuse to not discuss with "lel I was right and ur a ****** for falling for my bait :^DDDDD" then go fer it.

Oh wait a minute, a debater icon. Like Dre. yah nvm ok I concede. I'm an idiot for just noticing the icon.
Lol okay.

You mentioned factor x.
I pointed out how you were objectively wrong about x.
OH BUT NO WHAT I REALLY MEANT WAS y.

Sorry I can't read minds.
And you don't need to be a jerk about the icon, I didn't bring it up...
 
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