Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Ussi]

As a support man I 100% agree with the above post.

The support role is all about amplifying your teammates. If your teammates suck, you aren't amplifying much.

Edit: first post on new page, get rekt'd

 

[Sinister Slush]

You can get off two E's without CDR on Zed, Dre...

 

[Plum]

With actual zero CDR you can't get off two E's.
All you need is the CDR mastery in offense tree to get two E's off in a shadow though.
35% CDR gets you two Q's.

 

[Player-3]

CDR is actually a really big deal for Zed, moreso than other casters, because it affects how many spells he can get off in one W or R. 10% CDR allows for two Es, and max CDR lets you do three Es and possibly two Qs. Even just shaving off one or two seconds off a spell can be the difference between being able to cast it when your shadow is still up or not.

Speaking of CDR, what do people think of taking CDR, or something like AP (obviously not as Zed) against AP lanes. I've always taken MR but I'm not sure how essential it is.

zed being an energy champion does not need cdr boots at all, stacking too much cdr is pointless because you dont have the energy returns to get off that many spells in the first place

tabi or mercs are the best boots, mobis are okay if you need to like single handedly carry a game

 

[Sinister Slush]

o rite forgot to factor in the 5 from masteries.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

I think supports have so many passive game-winners that I don't think it's bad at all to support at low levels. Often when the game gets beyond lane phase (which happens alot more, thanks to Rito's anti-snowballing game balances.....) The game will tend to boil down to which team's worst player gets caught out of position. Your ability to peel and strategically place 4 wards to gain vision will win your team several games by preventing deaths in so many different ways. I will ward paths that lead directly to whoever is near my carries so that even if they are terribad, they will have at least 5 seconds to react. I do this at the cost of staying in lanes and accumulating gold, but it's worth it.

 

[Ussi]

Or you can pick Zyra/Annie and 2v1 bot lane and then wipe the floor of the enemy team.

Pretty much what i did in bronze/silver last season. (zyra support)

 

[Get Low]

I actually am a support main.
Started off as an ADC but I'm not aggro enough irl for that role.
Honestly, I've had a fine time of supporting at lower levels,
because even if your teammates suck, your opponents usually suck too.

 

[Shaya]

ADC is the pansiest role in the game. Every other role makes considerably more plays and benefits from being aggressive than the ADC.

I find trying to be the lynch pin in the lane as AD is scary/hard. When I'm freely getting away with "being aggressive" (willingly getting minion aggro to harass) its because my support is doing their job or I'm Caitlyn.

 

[ZanZero]

I play mid Soraka...
Would that still be considered support, seeing as I can team heal?

 

[jaswa]

Scoot, did you block me for building zhonya's and hurricane on Varus?

 

[Dre89]

P3- You're probably right, I don't know how energy intensive 3 Es and 2 Qs would be in a single rotation (factoring in energy restoration from landing mimmicked spells). I personally like CDR on him because a couple of seconds can be the difference between getting a Q off in your W that you originally used to CS with E and/or slow a champion with E, stuff like that. I don't itemise for CDR on other casters though because it's inefficient unless you're always using your spells in those extra seconds that you couldn't have if you didn't have the CDR.

Bare in mind that I'm only level 19.
So why is it that Master Yi seems so broken and overpowered in the games I play,
and yet I almost never see any pro players use him?

My friend told me that "Master Yi is OP" is the common n00b opinion,
but I can't help but think that when he wrecks my entire team every time I play against one.

I think supports have so many passive game-winners that I don't think it's bad at all to support at low levels. Often when the game gets beyond lane phase (which happens alot more, thanks to Rito's anti-snowballing game balances.....) The game will tend to boil down to which team's worst player gets caught out of position. Your ability to peel and strategically place 4 wards to gain vision will win your team several games by preventing deaths in so many different ways. I will ward paths that lead directly to whoever is near my carries so that even if they are terribad, they will have at least 5 seconds to react. I do this at the cost of staying in lanes and accumulating gold, but it's worth it.

Honestly damage carries games. If you have no damage, it doesn't matter if you catch their entire team in an AoE CC ult like an Amumu or Leona ult, if your team doesn't focus the right targets (ie. the carries) you'll still lose. I've lost so many teamfights, and consequently games in low elo because I was playing a tanky/supportive role with no damage and even when I'd get 3-5 people in AoE CC my teams focus the wrong champs in we lose.

Once I started playing a champion with damage, I started winning so many more games because I'd just blow up the carry then re-engage when my spells were off CD. Supports can make clutch plays that will win you a close game, but they won't carry games where every lane is 0/5 whereas a damage champion can.

 

[john!]

the basic problem is that low-level players aren't very capable of identifying and eliminating opposing damage threats

high level players are, which makes CC more important for peeling/catching people/etc. than it is at low level

you can support but it won't matter much if your damage-dealers don't know who to focus

also wtf is with this new layout, i want my full screen width back dammit

 

[Get Low]

Yo, when is the OP gonna change the title of this thread from "Braum is manly yolo 4/20"?
I hate Braum and I'm tired of looking at it.

 

[Player-3]

it will change the next time april 20th comes around so like 10 or 11 months

 

[egaddmario]

fiora

enjoy your freelora

I'm glad i followed this advice. I goofed up a few times, but i played ranked last night and won my way into Silver 2. It's fun when you get focused, have like 30 health left, then ult and get most of it back

 

[Dre89]

I'm glad i followed this advice. I goofed up a few times, but i played ranked last night and won my way into Silver 2. It's fun when you get focused, have like 30 health left, then ult and get most of it back

Yeah Fiora is really underrated and much easier to play than a lot of other champs. It doesn't matter how fed the enemy ADC is, once you have a hydra, q-auto-hydra-q-ult kills them and they cant kill you because you're untargetable. This will also work on fed AP carries if they dont have hard CC or zhonyas. You just have to watch out for getting peeled by CC. She also beats pretty much every squishy in the game (except for Kayle) when she hits 6 and gets a tiamat. Really good carry champ if you get mid lane. She's not that good top because she can't trade with bruisers and she can't 100-0 them with her ult at 6. I carried numerous games where everyone else was like 0 5 in lane. I once carried a game as her where the enemy ADC was literally 10-0 in 11 minutes, and this is having hardly ever played her before.

I just stopped playing her because I don't find her fun, and also because they're gonna rework her to make her have more mechanics (ie. take skill to use in duels and teamfights), so I didn't want to invest in a temporary freelo.

 

[Zano]

I guess adcs are just gonna be walking by their lonesome waiting to duel a fiora

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Personally I think Fiora is better at teamfighting than assassinating a single target. She doesn't have quite enough burst to kill a single squishy, so don't listen to dre since his Fiora ideas are a bit misguided.

Just used your ult to do massive damage as an initiate (a lot of people say don't do this but it's honestly fine as long as your team follows up), try to catch at least one squishy out of position (slight in front of the team, get onto them and people will clump together trying to peel and you'll get a 3-4 man ult).

 

[Dre89]

I guess adcs are just gonna be walking by their lonesome waiting to duel a fiora

By this logic no assassin should ever be able to kill a carry ever.

Fiora can play like an assassin in that you wait for an engage and cc to be blown, then you gapclose onto the adc and kill them with your ult. You'll often kill people who stand next to the adc to try peel for them, or just generally kill people after uv killed the carry because you have really good dps with e and hydra.

But Aero's also right in that you can engage 1v5 if you get follow up because of her untargetability.

Also Aero I'm surprised you don't think she has the burst to kill a carry with her ult. What's your combo? You probably do something more advanced than me, I just q auto hydra q ult, and that normally kills the adc. This is obviously assuming I have a short window to kill them because either I'm going to get peeled or they'll escape.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Q > hydra during Q > E > auto attacks until gapcreator > Q more autos

Blade fits in there somewhere too

 

[Asdioh]

I've been having a lot of fun playing Diana top lane as a "tank" (I've been playing teambuilder and that's what's always open, mid is never open because everyone wants to play it I guess). I've missed Diana. Anyone else here play her? I thought she was bad nowadays but she's much better than I expected.

 

[Ussi]

my friend 2nds Diana. He plays her jungle when he gets tossed into the jungle role in ranked.

Her late game is fine, her early game just makes me want to pull my hair out.

The one time I saw my friend play Diana top. He ended up against a Swain main. Lets just say he wasn't happy about it.

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah that wouldn't be fun. I hear about Swain top sometimes, and I've tried it once or twice, but I never really see it. His inability to push/no escapes early can be abused if they're smart. I've also tried Diana jungle a bunch of times since her release, but I've never felt worthwhile at it. Her ganks are strong at 6 and above, but usually I make an impact before that time with other junglers.

When I play her top I like building Glacial Shroud as my first item (if i'm against an AD champ). Every stat is so useful. Upgrade it to FH or Iceborn later, both are amazing on her. Core is usually one of those items plus Zhonya and Abyssal, really tanky yet still do a lot of damage. I've been able to 1v1 adcs with full tank builds. I know Riot said something about reworking her to be more of a fighter and less of an assassin, but that was weeks/months ago and no word since then, I wonder what's happening about that.

 

[Zano]

By this logic no assassin should ever be able to kill a carry ever.

Fiora can play like an assassin in that you wait for an engage and cc to be blown, then you gapclose onto the adc and kill them with your ult. You'll often kill people who stand next to the adc to try peel for them, or just generally kill people after uv killed the carry because you have really good dps with e and hydra.

except that, assassins can do that **** 100x better and have escape options, Fiora can't turn back once she commits.

I guess bronze is the magical world where everyone blows their cc on the support, cuz idk how else you're waiting to jump into a fight without severely crippling your team.

 

[Dre89]

except that, assassins can do that **** 100x better and have escape options, Fiora can't turn back once she commits.

I guess bronze is the magical world where everyone blows their cc on the support, cuz idk how else you're waiting to jump into a fight without severely crippling your team.

Aero's normal MMR pulls diamond and challenger players (he doesn't play ranked much) and he's carried tons of games with her. He will literally engage 1v5, and that's even more dangerous than waiting for an engage and cc then jumping on the carry because no cc is forced first.

I've played against diamonds and one or two challengers in ranked 5s, and I know from personal experience that if someone like a Renekton or Wukong initiates on them they will CC them to peel for their carries. If a team's mage, tank and support are all saving their CC for Fiora, then they're going to lose the fight anyway because they're not using it to subdue the rest of the team that's threatening the carry.

 

[Zano]

I see the fun in why everyone does this now.

1. You guys are on the OCE server, your diamond and challenger players are probably like our bronze and silvers, not that rank means **** anyway, but to especially bring it up for normals is laughable regardless.

2. So what you're telling me is that if the enemy team is dumb, then fiora is good?

3. If a situation like that even arises and goes that well, chances are you were ahead to begin with and it really doesn't even matter what champ comes after, especially if Fiora was enough to deal with it.

 

[Sinister Slush]

It's the week of kiddies getting out of school
Lost past 5 normal games because of em.

Be warned if you people actually are brave enough to do ranked.

Edit: also what Zano said about Challenger/Diamond on OCE literally our bronze/silver.
Just like how NA's Challenger/Diamond is Korea Bronze/Silver.

 

[Dre89]

How can you know the quality of our players if you've never played on the OCE server?

I'm pretty sure Aero was gold on NA too, but he'd have to clarify that.

And even disregarding normals, I mentioned diamonds and challengers in ranked 5s.

And yeah if you save your cc for Fiora she won't do anything, but then the rest of your team will. Are you saying that if champions like Vi, Renekton, Wukong, Jax, Shyvana etc. are diving your carries that your team won't use their cc to peel them?

 

[Sinister Slush]

Shyv Jax and Vi can still dive the backline even if CC is used on them, especially vi lol.

Renekton Wukong aren't being used much anymore for specfically that reason.
Want faster teleporters when they join a teamfight (shyv) compared to renek who gets kited badly already, while Wukong needs to go in, stay in, and die.

Which is why Elise is back on the table for junglers again compared to the old top 3 being Wu panth and kha or eve.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Yes, I was gold on NA, and have improved by leaps and bounds in the past year and was playing on permanent 300 ping.

Don't pull that bronze and silver **** please, it's rude, NA sucks as much as OCE rofl

clarifying: Everyone on NA below challenger and a few high diamonds, other than that the other ranks were basically the same from what I can tell

challenger is the exception because na has some VERY amazing players, which oce doesn't have.

I would argue na bronze players are worse than oce bronze players though for the same reason, aka player base size

 

[Sinister Slush]

u kno wut else is rude
not playing skarner

 

[Dre89]

Slush- The fact that those divers can still be a threat even when CCd just proves my point even more, which is that people will CC the initiators, which frees up Fiora or an assassin to jump on the carry.

Wu dropped off because he got nerfed, not because of a particular meta shift or people not thinking he was good. Also I think your analysis of Wu's teamfighting is incredibly simplistic but that's another discussion.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I might play skarner after he gets reworked again :<

 

[Sinister Slush]

Wukong nerfs were taps on the wrist.
Q you should not max on Wukong whether you're top or jungle, while the R 1.1 AD from 1.2 isn't that big a difference. He still has a low cooldown on that **** and has it up every teamfight, which imo is the main problem when he used to be popular. Like panth and Vi

 

[Dre89]

I agree he's still good after the nerfs, but people tend to stop playing a champ after a nerf even if it doesn't affect their viability much.

Although I'm not sure why you're mentioning that people don't max Q. Maxing Q actually subdues the nerf more because at level 9 it's the same as pre nerf. It's a much bigger nerf for the people who max E first (ie. everyone who knows how to play him properly) because Q is no longer as much of a one point wonder as it used to be.

The ult nerf isn't that big of a deal. The dumb thing about the nerfs though is that they were intended to get him out of the jungle but they hurt his laning way more than his jungling.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wu ult wins teamfights, it's just less powerful in DPS it still does it's job in team fights, AoE knock-up with a lot of damage.

 

[Ussi]

So i spend my entire day in gold II > gold I series. First two going 1-2 =_= then instantly winning next game to go back into series... On the third one at game three, enemy team dcs and I anticlimactically reach gold I. What a weird struggle.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wish I spent more time on league to get back into Gold 3 X_x

 

[Sinister Slush]

I wish I was D1 already, but I keep taking long breaks and get rusty after not playing fer awhile. Now that it's Summer dunno if I wanna ranked with kids being out of skewl and all now.